SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2024
Plus, more text from Mary Trump: Was the recent election a "rout?" Was it "not even close?"
Was it "a wipeout," the language we heard on this morning's Fox & Friends Weekend, language which came from Mark Penn?
Is it true that "Democrats Were Crushed?" That's language from the headline someone placed on this Ed Kilgore essay—language we encountered today on a rebroadcast of an earlier Morning Joe segment.
You're asking important questions! In our view, before we traffic in Storyline, it's important for us to retain our hold on some basic facts.
With that in mind, and as the vote count slowly turns, here's the current state of the nationwide vote in the most recent White House election, CNN reporting:
Nationwide popular vote (to date), 2024
Candidate Trump: 76,453,640 (50.0%)
Candidate Harris: 73,755,129 (48.2%)
There was no seven percent resolution this year. By now, this year's ballyhooed two percent decimation has even ceased to exist.
As the nationwide vote count continues, the winning candidate's victory margin is down to something like 1.8 points. Also, with something approaching a million votes still unrecorded in California, his portion of the total vote is on the verge of dropping below 50 percent.
Candidate Trump did win the election, but did he produce a wipeout, a rout? Language like this is exciting and fun, but did some such event take place?
We'd be slow to say something like that. Also, consider this:
Candidate Trump had been running for more than nine years. Candidate Harris got to run for a bit more than three months.
Adjusting for length of opportunity, we'd be extremely reluctant to adopt the soul-stirring language in which she is said to have lost in a rout. That said, Storyline is a powerful god, and this great god routinely prevails.
As to why the winning candidate won this year's election at all, we'll be returning to that question on Monday. Readers will be asked to take The Blue America Challenge:
Are we able to imagine the possibility that those of us in Blue America may, in some amazingly tiny ways, possibly have managed to earn our way out?
Did we ourselves make mistakes? The notion seems absurd on its face, but we plan to examine it anyway, just to be extra safe.
This morning, we've continued to offer some basic numbers. Also, we thought we should probably offer you a bit more text from that best-selling book.
We refer to Mary Trump's 2020 best-seller, Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man.
As we've noted (again) in the past two days, Mary Trump flatly described her paternal grandfather, Fred Trump, as "a sociopath," though she didn't exactly go that far in describing her uncle, the incoming president.
Mary Trump is a clinical psychologist. That doesn't mean that her various assessments are automatically accurate. Still, her assessments remain, even after the mainstream press corps has agreed that they must never be reported, evaluated or discussed.
In the last two days, we've shown you some of Mary Trump's basic assessments concerning her aforementioned uncle. Today, we thought we'd post an additional passage concerning "sociopathy," which may or may not exist.
Does sociopathy really exist? If so, what does the term really mean? And what should we think about the moral agency of a person who can be diagnosed in some such way?
Our high-end press corps has agreed that such questions must be disappeared. But just for the record, we'll offer one more passage from Mary Trump's widely bowdlerized book.
This passage concerns her paternal grandparents, Fred and Mary Trump. In this passage, she ends up describing the reported prevalence of sociopathy in much the way we (once again) did on Thursday:
MARY TRUMP (pages 23-24): Mary and Fred were problematic parents from the very beginning. My grandmother rarely spoke to me about her own parents or childhood, so I can only speculate, but she was the youngest of ten children...and she grew up in an unhospitable environment [on an island off the coast of Scotland] in the early 1910s. Whether her own needs weren't sufficiently met when she was a child or for some other reason, she was the kind of mother who used her children to comfort herself rather than comforting them...
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Whereas Mary was needy, Fred seemed to have no emotional needs at all. In fact, he was a high-functioning sociopath. Although uncommon, sociopathy is not rare, afflicting as much as 3 percent of the population. Seventy-five percent of those diagnosed are men. Symptoms of sociopathy include a lack of empathy, a facility for lying, an indifference to right and wrong, abusive behavior, and a lack of interest in the rights of others. Having a sociopath as a parent, especially if there is no one else around to mitigate the effects, all but guarantees severe disruption in how children understand themselves, regulate their emotions, and engage with the world.
Some of what Mary Trump writes in that passage is described as speculation. Much of what she writes in her book seems to have come from direct observation, or from conversations with Maryanne Trump Barry, Donald Trump's older sister.
Her statements about the reported prevalence of sociopathy have an objective basis, as we (again) noted on Thursday. She puts the overall prevalence of the condition at "as much as 3 percent," with a substantially higher prevalence in the case of men.
Matters like this can't be discussed within the current rules of our political journalism. Despite the flattering way we highly educated Americans tend to regard ourselves, our public discourse is too immature to permit such discussion.
That said, interesting questions arise as Mary Trump describes this condition. Are sociopaths "afflicted by" this condition, as her language has it? If so, how should we regard the moral agency of such people as they proceed through the world, behaving in the destructive ways Mary Trump describes?
No such discussions will complicate our political discourse! Our journalists went to the finest schools, but they aren't prepared to handle such topics. As one twentieth-century anthropologist memorably stated:
Where I come from, we only talk so long. After that, we start to hit.
“ her assessments remain, even after the mainstream press corps has agreed that they must never be reported, evaluated or discussed. “
ReplyDeleteMary Trump is a frequent guest on MSNBC, particularly Lawrence O’Donnell’s program, where she discusses her assessments.
That Somerby’s main thesis crumbles with a simple, single, matter of fact sentence, is telling. But you do need a triple digit IQ to understand this, which explains the tormented fanboys and their whining.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:42pm, watching O’Donnell precludes a triple digit IQ.
DeleteAct your age not your shoe size.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:09pm, is that original?
DeleteThere is sci-fi about regimes with invasive psychological categorization, forced medication, and the insistence that anyone unhappy with the regime must be mentally ill. Brave New World was one of the earliest, or see the film Brazil. There are good reasons not to diagnose and think about Trump or his "lost boys" as Somerby suggests. That misuse of state power would be worse than Trump's old-style fascism.
ReplyDeleteTrump is fine. Just lay back and enjoy the “ride”.
DeleteNo, Trump is not fine but mental health fascism is not a good alternative.
DeleteTrump speaks highly of his parents. Trump’s kids all seem close to him. Mary Trump has a book coming out about her alienation and suffering via her parents and other family members. She is right now on X calling Republicans fascists.
ReplyDeleteDuly noted, Bob.
Your idea of a close family differs from the norm. Where is Melania these days?
DeleteHas anyone noticed that Trump and Melania are separated? I heard Elon will be the First Lady this time.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:06am, where is she supposed to be? They’re not going to be doing exuberant pieces on her in People or women’s magazines or fashion spreads in Vogue.
DeleteAfter Ivanka ratted out the old man to the FBI for stealing government documents, the odds of him getting to fuck her have fallen lower than Joe Biden's unemployment rate.
Deletehttps://www.nj.com/politics/2024/11/heaven-or-hell-trump-has-a-feeling-about-where-his-father-ended-up.html
DeleteI love how delusional Cecelia has to pretend to be in filling his comment quota.
DeleteFather Freddy was too busy with KKK marches and redlining to raise Donald, so the kid, at quite a young age, was sent off to military boarding school, and thankfully was out of sight and out of mind. This goes a long way to explain Trump’s odd behavior: he calls his children stupid and refuses to talk to at least one of them (Musk, anyone?), he sexualizes his own daughter, raping his wife, also a 13yo that reminded him of his own daughter, ~30 sexual assaults, taking Father Freddy’s half a billion and pissing it away, going bankrupt 6 times, committing all kinds of fraud including being convicted for felonies, selling out to Putin and other murky foreign figures, becoming a walking (sort of…as he drags his right leg around), slurring tub of lard that owes more than he owns, etc.
Anonymouse 12:14pm, have you read the family backgrounds of other presidents?
DeleteMary Trump is a survivor. Surviving and coming out on top seems to be part of that family’s culture.
What power does Somerby think any of us Dems have to use Article 25 once Trump has stacked his cabinet with loyalists?
ReplyDeleteIs Somerby suggesting that Harris should have called Trump crazy more often during her campaign?
The media.
DeleteLet's not let facts get in the way of people's feelings.
DeleteThe filibuster.
DeleteNow we're citing Mary Trump and using The View "sociopath" and "narcissist" language you usually hear among The View watching types? Between this and throwing around debunked rape allegations, it's again clear why there are no men remaining in the Democrat party.
ReplyDeleteWhite men overwhelmingly voted for Trump, because the FEEL Trump is going to keep immigrants from outclassing them on the job market.
DeleteThe irony is thatTrump calls them "losers".
Whatever you say, Mr. Soros.
DeleteFun Fact:
DeleteRight-wingers really only care about bigotry and white supremacy.
EVERYTHING else is negotiable.
#themoreyouknow
Mary Trump is a woman, therefore anything she claims can be dismissed.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:05, bigotry and white supremacy are negotiable on the left. It’s why they allowed the congressional black caucus and Joy Reid.
DeleteCecelia isn’t a woman, but we can still dismiss what he says, since it’s just loony rants and word salads, often hilariously so. To be fair, English is not his first language, so we can be a little forgiving with all the non sequiturs and malapropisms.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:57pm, well, yeah. Why would you treat me differently from anyone else who isn’t an anonymouse?
DeleteESL indeed, but the bitterness comes through anyway.
DeleteYes, just like your English, Mr. Soros.
DeleteThis is the same post from yesterday, and the day before…
ReplyDeleteGun owners and cops selling guns to criminals on the black market, is a big problem in the USA.
ReplyDeleteI've heard a lot of talk, lately, about it leading to a violent crime outbreak.
DeleteCrime is way up and Blacks are to blame.
DeleteThat’s why we had to vote for Trump.
You'd think blacks would have learned their lesson, after Fox News blamed them for the housing crash caused by an epidemic of bank fraud.
DeleteTo be fair, some Blacks belong in the house, some Blacks belong in the field.
DeleteSweet iced tea for sipping on the veranda isn’t going to make itself.
Anonymouse 12:38 pm, exchange “anonymices” for “blacks” and you’ll come to a screeching stop. There’s nothing they can do.
DeleteYour sputtering is hilarious, Cecelia.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:59pm, you’re wearing it.
DeleteYou’re soaking in it.
DeleteTrump's coddling of white people, isn't going to work out for Trump or white people.
DeleteI would clean-up if Fanduels would take odds on that happening.
Hell with god-forsaken Nova Scotia, I am moving to Congo. I hate white people.
DeleteSomerby is an ass. My finger smells funny.
I am Corby.
@12:15 crime is way up and blacks are disproportionately the victims. You and people like you are to blame, because you supported reducing police protections.
DeleteTrump is a serial rapist/sexual assaulter, and he’s filling his admin with men that engage in similar behavior.
ReplyDeleteOne of the latest is Hegseth, who was a curious pick since Hegseth is a war hawk neocon, but now it makes more sense, turns out Hegseth is also a sexual assaulter, a perfect compadre to Trump.
“Where I come from, we only talk so long. After that, we start to hit.”
ReplyDeleteBob loves to misuse this quote, but Gene Brabender was a gentle giant who would be horrified by the way Bob is misappropriating it.
The notion behind Bob’s use of it also has nothing to do with anthropology, Bob knows nothing about anthropology, can not be bothered to get off his pot and learn the science, preferring instead to hide behind storytelling.
Anonymouse 12:24pm, where anonymices come from, anonymices only babble endlessly and after that, anonymices start to babble,
DeleteJust like you, Cecelia.
DeleteTriggered!
DeleteAnonymouse 12:47pm, no, I hit from jump.
DeleteAw, weak sauce, but thanks for trying, here’s your participation trophy.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:52pm, I had it and put it up somewhere. Feel behind you, you’ll find it.
DeleteCecilia’s self mocking….I can’t stop laughing.
DeleteSurely, he’s a plant, no?
Anonymouse 1:01pm, dig deeper. You’ll find that trophy.
DeleteI’m digging your grave.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:10pm, I’m digging your angst,
DeleteI don’t think the Cabinet matters that much today. Try this exercise. List the accomplishments and failures of current Cabinet members. Can you do it?
ReplyDeleteCan you name any cabinet members throughout history who had “accomplishments”?
DeleteCabinet members are supposed to carry out the functions of government according to the wishes of congress and the president in a competent manner, not make names for themselves in the media.
Trump is enacting what Bannon calls the “destruction of the administrative state” by installing cabinet secretaries who in some cases oppose the very existence of the department they are supposed to head or will be incompetent cronies to Trump. So your comment ignores that important context.
White Cabinet members matter, otherwise they’re just tokens.
DeleteTry this exercise. Did what I just posted come from anywhere but my own lazy ignorance?
DeleteYou having a stroke?
Delete