WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2024
And yet, explanations abound: Just to establish a factual record, here's where matters currently stand, according to CNN's count:
Nationwide popular vote (to date), 2024
Candidate Trump: 75,536,884 (50.2%)
Candidate Harris: 72,390,344 (48.1%)
That's where matters stand to date. That said, consider this:
Based on CNN's reckoning, well over two million votes remain uncounted in deep blue California. Something like an additional one million votes remain uncounted in three other blue states—Washington, Oregon, Maryland.
Something like a half million votes are still uncounted in the state of New York, with a quarter million additional votes outstanding in New Jersey. Something like 300,000 votes remain in Illinois.
Based upon CNN's account, the redder states seem to count a lot faster! That said, Ezra Klein's estimate may turn out to be right:
On a nationwide basis, it may turn out that this election was lost by less than two points. Ezra has estimated that the margin will end up at 1.5 points. Prevailing Storyline to the side, that may turn out to be right.
This very morning, in the 6 o'clock hour, Joe Scarborough said that Candidate Biden won the 2020 election in "a very close race." For the record, Candidate Biden won that year by 4.5 points nationwide.
At present, Candidate Trump's win this year is frequently being described in a different way, usually with no numbers offered. For example, here's the inexplicable Mark Leibovich, novelizing for The Atlantic, dual headline included:
In Praise of Clarity
There is no ambiguity here.
[...]
If nothing else, the party’s electoral battering last week should provide a clarity that Democrats clearly lacked before. They were shocked by the results. I knew a bunch who were indeed predicting a rout, but with Kamala Harris doing the routing. “This could be glorious,” a Democratic operative friend said to me last weekend after the now-ingloriously wrong Des Moines Register poll that showed Harris leading Trump by three points in deep-red Iowa was released. Trump wound up winning the state by 13 points.
At minimum, the prevailing sentiment was that the election would be very close. Pundit consensus seemed to place the race at the cliché junction of “razor-thin” and “wafer-thin” (personally I thought it would be “paper-thin,” but then, I was an outlier). The contest, many predicted, might take many days to call. Election lawyers swarmed battleground states. I don’t recall speaking with more than one or two Democrats in the final weeks who foresaw the ultimate beatdown the party suffered.
Then came the knee-buckling curveball that electorates have a knack for throwing.
[...]
First, listen to the results: They were not close. Trump won all seven battleground states and the popular vote; made big gains with Black and Hispanic voters, as well as with young people; and even polled 52 percent of white women. Republicans took the Senate and kept the House.
As it turned out, Democrats were much closer to delusion than the reality that voters would impose.
"There is no ambiguity here," the headline absurdly says.
Here within this vale of tears, Storyline will often function that way. A 4.5-point win can be said to be "very close." A loss of something less than two points can be said to have been "an electoral battering."
Explicitly, it can be said that the narrower margin wasn't "very close." It can even be said that the election results in question were "not close" at all!
Leibovich presented almost no numbers in support of his Great American Novel. He didn't precisely say what he precisely meant by his eye-popping formulation.
In fairness, he did present that one statistic concerning the way white women voted this year. Candidate Trump "even polled 52 percent of white women," he said, thereby fleshing out his claim that this year's election result wasn't close.
Almost surely, exit polls are less reliable—are less precise—than are competent pre-election polls. That said, white women always favor the Republican candidate, according to the exit polls!
Here are the numbers, such as they are, for every election of the current century:
White women nationwide, presidential elections:
2000: 49-48, in favor of Candidate Bush
2004: 55-44, Candidate Bush
2008: 53-46, Candidate McCain
2012: 56-42, Candidate Romney
2016: 53-43, Candidate Trump
2020: 55-44, Candidate Trump
2024: 53-45, Candidate Trump
Based upon the exit polls, Candidate Trump has won the vote among white women in all three of his elections! This year, his slightly narrower victory margin among that group is somehow supposed to convince us the rubes that this year's election wasn't close.
Was this election "close?" If we're looking at the nationwide popular vote, we'd say it pretty much was. If you're writing the latest American novel, you can fabulize it however you please, without feeling any need to explain, with any precision, what you precisely mean.
(Also, without feeling any need to confuse your readers by reporting the nationwide popular vote.)
Editors will wave your copy into print. In such ways, Storyline grows.
So it goes—and goes and goes—as present-day Storyline continues taking form. That said, a second major question obtains:
Should those of us in Blue America be surprised by the fact that Candidate Harris lost?
Should we be surprised that Harris lost? In many respects, we'd have to say that the answer is no. We'll mention two obvious points:
First reason: As has been widely reported, incumbent parties have been driven from power all over the developed world. In the most immediate sense, this seems to be a reaction to the dislocations brought on by the global pandemic.
(We'd be inclined to assume that other global phenomena are part of this pattern as well.)
Second reason: The second reason goes something like this:
In one of the most clownish phenomena in modern political history, the Democratic Party's candidate decided he wouldn't seek re-election in late July of this year! This meant that Candidate Harris had to mount a full-blown campaign from a standing start with just over three months to go!
Under those circumstances, should anyone be surprised that this replacement candidate didn't win? If anything, we should perhaps be surprised that she came so close.
(Almost surely, the narrow margin nationwide is a measure of the un-electability of the other candidate—of the Red American candidate who rather narrowly won.)
Why did Blue America's candidate lose this year? As of yesterday morning, we had listed four possible reasons. We'll return to our list tomorrow.
In general, it seems to us that the cluelessness of us the people provides a large part of the answer. More specifically, we refer to the cluelessness of us the people of our own Blue America, "where the children are all above average.".
The woods are lovely, dark and deep—but as with all known human tribes, our deeply self-assured Blue American tribe just isn't preternaturally sharp. Also, as with all human tribes, we tend to have a very hard time understanding that basic fact about our spectacular selves.
According to experts, we human beings are wired to be blind to such states of affairs. Did that wiring help take us down this year? Stating the question a different way:
Through our hard-wired human shortcomings, did we perhaps, in some array of ways, manage to "earn our way out?"
"I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!" So said SNL's version of Candidate Dukakis, way back in 1988.
This year, we lost to the most unelectable candidate in the history of modern politics. Does tribal denial keep us from seeing the ways this (surprisingly narrow) defeat disastrously came to pass?
Tomorrow: The list continues to grow
"Does tribal denial keep us from seeing the ways this (surprisingly narrow) defeat disastrously came to pass?"
ReplyDeleteNo, it doesn't. Our behavior plays no part in the our defeat. It is entirely the fault of Republicans and Somerby himself.
Cha Ching…
Delete"entirely the fault of Republicans and Somerby himself."
DeleteRepublicans? Get real. It was 100% Somerby's fault.
Something is wrong with him. He is right wing and not liberal. He is pushing conservative talking points by asking if there is a need for self reflection on the part of Democrats. The issue is not Democrats. Democrats are always right and Republicans are always wrong.
DeleteRepublicans are not always wrong, they just love false narratives, that’s why they come here.
Deletethread Snark-O-Meter = off the charts.
DeleteDemocrats are often right. Saying they are "always" right is an attempt to negate the fact that Democrats get a lot right and that it is going to be a shitshow from now on.
DeleteMore, "everyone is to blame for Trump winning the Presidency, except for Trump voters" bullshit.
ReplyDeleteThey are racists and misogynists. A surprisingly narrow margin of them could not be persuaded to vote in any other way.
DeleteDo you realize that the statement “[Trump voters] are racists and misogynists” is itself a statement of bigotry?
DeleteThey see cereal boxes and know their whiteness is under threat so they vote for a person who held an antisemitic Nazi rally at the Madison Square Garden.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:06pm, are Snap, Crackle, and Pop black now?
DeleteAgree with PP, when people called out the slavers, the Nazis, and other such folk, all they were doing was engaging in the same type of bigotry they were supposedly against, they should have just kept their mouths shut.
DeleteYou sound confused, Mr. Soros.
DeletePlease. Clarify. I’ll wait…
Delete1:56. Just wondering: Are you suggesting that "Trump voters" are the equivalent of "slavers, the Nazis, and other such folk"?
Delete95% of what bots of the slavers' party do is projection.
DeleteLook, you have every right to call any group you want "racists, misogynists, slavers and Nazis." Just please don't come crying when you lose elections.
DeleteI'd rather lose every election defending the rights of the aggrieved, than win every election by screwing over the aggrieved.
DeletePP's mileage may vary.
PP,
DeleteTrump's outright contempt for Republican voters is something all great Americans should emulate.
AND it's a winner at the polls.
PP,
DeleteDon't you think what you're claiming is kind of insulting to these mythical people you imagine are flocking to the piece of shit just because you tell them they smell?
I know for myself I could never change my standards and belief system because somebody insulted me a little bit. Hell, they've been doing it to me ever since I could vote.
"I'd rather lose every election defending the rights of the aggrieved, than win every election by screwing over the aggrieved."
DeleteFirst of all, calling someone a "Nazi" is hardly "defending the rights of the aggrieved." But second of all, how do you think the aggrieved will fare after you lose every election?
What I think is that you are addicted to the orgasmic rush of moral superiority that you get from crassly insulting the Others, but what do I know?
DeletePP, the Nazis were real and they killed and imprisoned millions, tortured others and persecuted minorities of all kinds. Their first act was to kill mentally disabled and gravely ill people in hospitals, as unfit to go on living. Because these were real acts committed by horrible people, calling someone a Nazi today must be taken seriously as a warning about an individual unfit to serve in any office and capable of committing atrocities. Such people are around and too many are found among MAGA Republicans and in Trump's circle.
DeleteStop treating this as just another form of name-calling. Nazis need to be taken seriously and opposed at every opportunity. For the sake of our country, and yes, to protect those most likely to be targeted by monsters in Trump's administration.
Anonymouse 7:49pm, there’s been problems in Canada with their program of euthanasia.
DeleteUK medical experts have protocol built around allowing brain damaged infants, who would otherwise survive, to be set aside to die at the permission of their parents.
Also remember the Terry Schiavo case. Her parents begged totake care of their daughter after she was severely brain damaged, but we’re over ruled by Schiavo’s spouse.
No Nazis or American conservatives, but plenty of progressives on hand.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2563380/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/compliance-problems-maid-canada-leaked-documents
If Democrats had been allowed to censor X the way they censored Twitter (including banning the New York Post for reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop scoop), Trump would have lost.
ReplyDeleteCue the "liberals" longing for the return of censorship of legal speech on social media platforms. Trump exposed you.
Russian media executives illegally funneled millions of dollars to a Tennessee-based company to create and publish propaganda videos on US social media. The polls showed America favored Kamala.
DeleteFrom the dawn of time until the industrial revolution, information was a two way street. You never took information without giving a response back. Modern unfettered informational systems actually take us back to our human ancestral information environment despite being highly mediated with algorithms and owned by billionaires.
DeleteIt's dangerous to allow the public to be exposed to information that has not been curated by Rachel Maddow.
DeleteThe Dems censoring Hunter’s dick pics was a real tragedy.
DeleteMmm-mm. I'm Vorby.
DeleteRepublicans wanted to finally see what a real man’s dick looks like.
DeleteYes, Mr. Soros. Your dick is amazing.
DeleteRepublican latent homosexuality.
DeleteYes, Mr. Soros. Whatever you say.
DeleteCome out of the closet, Republican tool.
DeleteWhat Soros says is never bigoted enough for the Right.
DeleteBob inadvertently points out that conservatives are more competent at governing than liberals. All the states he lists that were unable to count their votes promptly are liberal ones.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, this is a big issue to conservatives. We see poor management at the state and local level as a major reason to vote against Democrats.
That would imply Democrats did something wrong. Which is racist.
DeleteWhat is the official reason for it taking two weeks to count votes in an election?
DeleteElection officials had pre-scheduled sexual reassignment surgeries.
DeleteThat's racist.
Delete"We see poor management at the state and local level as a major reason to vote against Democrats."
DeleteBut Democrats see poor comments like this as a major reason to vote against Republicans.
@Cece:
DeleteElection laws vary by state. In some states, a voter can register right up through election day. They can mail a ballot that can be received for counting as late as a week after election day. When eligibility is uncertain, voters may be allowed to submit a provisional ballot that is counted after eligibility is determined.
For national elections, it would make lots of sense for states to have a uniform set of rules, but making sense isn't up for discussion.
QiB,
DeleteIt would be nice to have a national uniform set of rules for federal elections, but republicans always block the dems from passing them.
12:02
DeleteGotta protect the rights of sovereign states, doncha know?
Here's a vexing question: why does Wyoming and North Dakota count their votes so much faster than California.
DeleteWhy does California generate the most gdp in the country by far (nearly the most in the entire world - 2nd by per capita), and then supply funding to all the red states?
DeleteWhy do Republicans sit back and produce relatively next to nothing and primarily live off the work done in blue states?
These issues are never addressed in corporate media, and this is never addressed by this blog.
Instead, today, this blog is just providing cover to mask the real issues behind why Harris lost.
The party of slaveholders and pencil-pushers is unhappy about California not being sufficiently de-industrialized yet. How quaint.
Delete2:15 Thanks for the word salad, I was going to skip lunch due to my heavy work load.
DeleteWhatever you say, Mr. Soros. We love Goulash.
DeleteTypical right wing snowflake incoherence.
DeleteYes, and your chicken wings too, Mr. Soros.
DeleteWait…what??
ReplyDeleteI voted for Trump but now he is populating his administration with neocon and neoliberal establishment Republicans.
I feel betrayed. Who knew?
If only Don Rumsfeld was still alive.
Delete11:42 aw poor little snowflake Trumper, now you are finding out.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:48pm, no, I knew Mr. Neocon was dead. Hegseth will never be the neocon and neoliberal that Rumsfeld was and Austin is today. Sigh.
DeleteTrump was never anti war, it was utter nonsense. He dropped the mother of all bombs, increased drone attacks dramatically, and had more military deaths in zones of conflict than Biden.
DeleteTrump voters got conned, and they do not care, because they too are not anti war, it was all performative.
If you say so, Mr. Soros.
DeleteAbsent a counterpoint, the point stands. Cope.
DeleteI'm trying to imagine a Republican voter who cares about war or peace, and not about bigotry and white supremacy, and I keep coming up blank.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:09pm, no ever said that Trump was anti-war. I suppose by that you mean that we thought Trump was reluctant to strike when needed, but no one did think that or does.
DeleteWhat he didn’t do is get us into a proxy war that has cost billions and in the case of G.W. Bush, a war that cost thousands of lives.
From Tass:
ReplyDelete"The election campaign is over," [Russian presidential aide Nikolay] Patrushev noted. "To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them."
Russia, Russia, Russia!
It’s so helpful that Putin presidential aides are warning citizens about Trump. How sweet!
DeleteWarning "citizens," Cece?
DeleteSounds to me like they're warning Trump.
QiB, they’d do that on the low-low. No, they’re reaching out to the country with love and concern in their hearts.
DeleteThe WaPo reported a couple of days ago that Trump held a phone call with Putin in which Trump warned Putin not to escalate in Ukraine.
DeleteThe Kremlin escalated and denied the call ever took place.
Is that more like the "low-low" you had in mind?
QiB, no, the kind of low-low that would be on the low-low is if the media wasn’t able to regurgitate every word that was said in a private call to Trump. How do you think that happened when the dear and sweet Russians denied ever making the call?
DeleteMy guess? Trump was the source.
Delete"Sounds to me like they're warning Trump."
DeleteYou can't be serious.
Trump is Putin’s puppet, Putin does not warn, he dictates, and Trump does what he’s told.
DeleteWhatever you say, Mr. Soros. Whatever you say, we're admiring you regardless, Sir.
DeleteCope.
DeleteQiB, now I’m not sure what you’re saying. Is it this?:
DeleteRussia called Trump and threatened him.
The media reported the phone call.
Trump leaked the phone call.
Sadly, some of our more gullible brothers and sisters want to believe that the quote from Patrushev was a statement by him that Russia is the force to which Trump is obligated. Which a reminder that a large part of the Democratic political class that went insane 8 years ago, still is.
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ReplyDeleteI have a new tattoo on my inner thigh: Our Democracy Is Lost Forever!
What an asshole Somerby is. I sniff my finger. My finger smells funny.
I am Corby.
Trump got close to matching his support in 2020, but not quite, considering population growth.
ReplyDeleteHarris did not come close to matching Biden’s support in 2020.
Something happened to Dem voters, but notably Dem voters do not care about the phony immigration issue the Repubs gin up every election cycle, so sorry Bob, that’s not the issue.
Not good enough, see me.
Yes. Dead Democrats have chosen to stay in their cemeteries this year. For no apparent reason. Lazy bastards.
DeleteCope.
DeleteBut they ended Our Democracy, Mr. Soros. Lazy bastards. And I shaved my head. And I moved to fuckin' Nova Scotia.
DeleteSomerby is an asshole.
I am Corby.
Typical right wing snowflake incoherence.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:31pm, Cope. Or somethin’.
DeleteCorby, my dear, you are killing me.
DeleteTalk about giving the people what they want.
DeleteIf true, Corby has my vote.
Anonymouse 4:38pm, Mr. Soros would be ashamed. Now go shave your head and film it for X.
Delete"Mr. Soros would be ashamed."
DeleteHe feels shame. That's how you know he isn't a Right-winger.
Anonymouse 9:32pm, Soros is the employer of anonymices. That’s how you know Soros has experienced shame.
DeleteI am Soros, the LORD thy God. No shame feel I. Do not be dismayed, my soros-bots.
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