FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 2024
Great American Novels gone wild: When it comes to the nationwide popular vote, how large will Candidate Trump's victory margin be?
At present, we can't say. As of this morning, we still have counting of votes—but this is where the numbers currently stand:
Nationwide popular vote (to date), 2024
Candidate Trump: 73,407,735 (50.7%)
Candidate Harris: 69,074,145 votes (47.7%)
Turnout: At present, unknown
At present, the candidate's victory margin is three points.
As we noted yesterday, Ezra Klein has estimated that the margin may end up at 1.5 points. We'll go ahead and take a guess, placing it at two points.
Among the votes which have been counted, the winning candidate received slightly more than half the total vote—slightly more than half the votes from the people who chose to vote.
He received none of the votes from the people who didn't vote. For the record, this is roughly the way the nationwide vote ended four years ago:
Nationwide popular vote, 2020
Candidate Biden: 81,283,501 (51.3%)
Candidate Trump: 74,223,975 (46.8%)
Turnout: 66.6%
As far as we know, California has finished counting its votes from that election. For the record, that turnout number suggests that something approaching 80 million people who were eligible to vote didn't turn out to vote that year.
They didn't vote for Candidate Biden or for Candidate Trump. If you score them as voting for Candidate Neither, it can almost seem that Candidate Neither ran quite well that year!
These are some of the basic numbers from the last two White House elections. As a general matter, a lot of Americans turn out to vote, but it's also true that tens of millions of Americans don't.
Our elections involve large numbers of Americans! That said, nothing can match the volume of Great American Novels which swiftly appear in the wake of our presidential campaigns. That's especially true in a year like this, when the campaign was especially fraught and its outcome has struck many people as shocking.
According to some of our favorite experts, there is no cure for what happens when we start writing our novels. For one example of such a novel, we'll offer comments by a pair of readers at a Blue American blog.
A bit sardonically, the author of the blog post in question had offered a lengthy list of reasons—a list of reasons which have already been offered as explanations for the one candidate's loss.
As best we can tell, the blogger was being a bit sardonic. That said, why did Candidate Harris fall short? The commenters offered this:
COMMENTER (11/7/24): Occam's razor: America wanted DJT. That's who we are as a people. It's depressing, but it's the simplest hypothesis that fits all the facts.
This one's on us, folks.
COMMENTER IN RESPONSE: Apparently, he got more than 50% of the vote. Every single day he showed us exactly who he is. No punches pulled. Thus, you are right. A bitter pill to swallow.
It's "a bitter pill to swallow." Is it one we're inclined to gulp?
"America" wanted Trump, the first commenter said. It's "who we are as a people."
Is it true that "America" wanted Trump? It's certainly true that many Americans went out and voted for Candidate Trump as opposed to Candidate Harris.
(Some of them may have wanted something better. But that's who they voted for.)
We voted for Candidate Harris ourselves. So did almost half the people who turned out to vote.
That first commenter was writing a novel—a dystopian novel at that. He or she produced the screenplay for a political horror film. A third commenter offered this in response to the original comment:
COMMENTER IN RESPONSE: Among those people who did vote, "this is who we are as a people" by an eventual margin of maybe two percent.
Trump beat Harris by maybe two points. Is that "who we are as a people?"
In all honesty, the formulation makes little sense—leads us away from clarity in the direction of horror. But according to experts, this is very much the way we humans, as a species, are wired to respond to important events of this type.
It isn't anyone's fault, these experts say. On balance, it's just the way we're built!
On balance, we humans aren't exactly "the rational animal." To a greater extent, we're the animal which is inclined to construct enormously simplified novels to explain major events.
As a species, we humans are inclined to construct simple stories about major events which take place in the world. On this very Friday morning, those novels are appearing all over the web site of the New York Times.
These novels aren't coming from commenters jotting quick reactions at a blog. They're coming from journalistic mental giants who often went to the finest schools!
The author of one of these novels is nine years out of college (St. John's, class of 2015). His novel appears on the front page of this morning's print editions—but does this really make sense?
CAMPAIGN NOTEBOOK
How Trump Connected With So Many Americans
The forces that propelled President-elect Donald J. Trump to victory will be endlessly analyzed. Many Americans woke up on Wednesday morning shocked that he could win again. But there is no doubt about one thing: Mr. Trump was a ferociously effective campaigner.
To watch him up close on this third run for president was to see him blend comedy, fury, optimism, darkness and cynicism like never before. He was an expert communicator, able to transmute legal and mortal peril to build upon his self mythology. He won new supporters and kept old ones in thrall.
At dozens of events, I watched as he connected with all sorts of people in all sorts of places...
That's the way the novel started. Our question:
Does this sudden new assessment—the candidate was "an expert communicator," we're suddenly being told—actually make good sense?
Nationwide, the candidate won by two points against a relatively little-known candidate who was thrown into the race very late in the game. Does a person have to be "an expert communicator" to achieve a two-point win in that unusual circumstance?
A second novel appears on the front page of today's print editions. That novel has a different theme—but does this novel make sense?
NEWS ANALYSIS
For Black Women, ‘America Has Revealed to Us Her True Self’
From the moment Kamala Harris entered the presidential race, Black women could see the mountaintop.
Across the country, they led an outpouring of Democratic elation when the vice president took over the top of the presidential ticket. But underneath their hope and determination was a persistent worry: Was America ready, they asked, to elect a Black woman?
The painful answer arrived this week.
It affirmed the worst of what many Black women believed about their country: that it would rather choose a man who was convicted of 34 felonies, has spewed lies and falsehoods, disparaged women and people of color, and pledged to use the powers of the federal government to punish his political opponents than send a woman of color to the White House.
[...]
“This isn’t a loss for Black women, it’s a loss for the country,” said Waikinya Clanton, the founder of the organizing group Black Women for Kamala. “America has revealed to us her true self,” she added, “and we have to decide what we do with her from here.”
As with the comment to the blog post, so too here. According to this presentation, "America" has revealed "her true self," and what she's revealed isn't good.
This novel is pleasingly simplified. That said, to what extent foes this "news analysis" hold up?
Needless to say, it's true! By a margin which may end up at less than two points, Americans who turned out to vote favored the one candidate over the other. But as to why those (tens of millions of) people made that particular choice, this novel seems to have settled on One Possible Reason Only.
Meanwhile, our favorite novel of the many appears in today's Letters section. According to experts, this novel turns on a formulation which is very common among us humans:
To the Editor:
If the results of this election teach us anything, it’s that American voters of all demographics consistently vote against their own interests. Tens of millions of women just voted for the candidate who is likely to remove their fundamental rights. Arab Americans favored the candidate who used executive orders to bar Muslims and Middle Eastern refugees from entering the country. Latino men voted for the candidate who tried to build a literal wall to keep people just like them out.
Do these voters not think that the pendulum of misogyny, racism and bigotry so readily wielded by their candidate of choice and his followers won’t soon come swinging for them?
There are many reasons for this electoral outcome, but one thing is certain: Americans no longer vote based on policies or principles. Instead, they vote for the person who promises them what they want to hear—even when he consistently, and remarkably, does the exact opposite.
G— D— / Detroit
According to this particular novel, we now seem to have learned that "American voters of all demographics consistently vote against their own interests."
More precisely, we seem to have learned that "American voters of all demographics consistently vote against their own interests" as those interests are understood by people like the letter writer.
Meanwhile, one thing is certain, this Michigan novelist says:
"Americans"—presumably, every American but him—"no longer vote based on policies or principles." If someone based his vote on years of unexplained chaos at the southern border, that American wasn't basing his vote on policy. He simply voted for the candidate who said what he wanted to hear!
For the record, this last novel has been quite common here in Blue America. Experts say that we humans are fundamentally wired to see the world in such ways.
There's no cure for any of this, these experts all insist. But they also stress this important point:
When we humans create such novels, that doesn't mean we're bad people. It simply means that we're people people, these experts hotly insist.
Next week, we expect to review some sober assessments of why the Blue candidate lost—why she lost by a margin which may end up at something less than two points. With that, we reach a final point:
Regarding these novels, those experts say this:
Their production is very much an old normal. There's nothing new about this impulse. It dates back trillions of years!
ReplyDeleteAmericans don't like their country being down in the crapper. They want to make America great again.
What's so complicated here? And why would anyone who is not completely insane consider it "depressing"?
Thanks, JD. Shouldn't you be figuring out what your next lie will be?
DeleteSome of us disagree that the country is down the crapper. Honestly, a lot of Americans live above their means, buy cars and phones they can't afford, order uber eats and pay 35 for a hamburger, then complain that the economy is leaving them behind. Of the 60% of the country that live paycheck to paycheck, I would love to know how many of those wounds are self-inflicted.
DeleteDon't argue with assholes like 9:36 am. They are just here to troll. It belongs to the "Tribe that Rubs Shit in their Hair". It can't understand why it is so repugnant around normal people.
DeleteAgree with 11:00am, they will go away if we ignore them.
Deletethe other novel i see out there is that this was a "historic" win and a "clear mandate"...and that trump made an unprecedented comeback. First, he never went anywhere and all the polls always showed him in the game. Second, the eventual results were not unlike a lot of other recent elections over the past 30-40 years, electoral or popular vote. Third, a 2-3 point win does not make a mandate...
ReplyDeleteCalling a hypothesized explanation a "novel" demeans the process of forming hypotheses (which arise inductively from observed facts, not imagination) which is integral to science. The next step is to test those ideas and find out which work and which don't, not to mock them as Somerby does today.
ReplyDeleteSomerby is such an asshole.
I agree with somerby, media come up with certain phrases and then they all just start parroting the same phrases over and over again without ever checking their hypotheses.
Delete1o:24,
DeleteSomerby may be an asshole but you don't know how to read.
Somerby's whole point is that the hypothesized explanations are totally unscientific, hence can be thought of as 'novels.'
And he is wrong about that. The problem is not hypothesizing explanations but testing them. Somerby shows no indication of understanding what testing a hypothsis means. So he dismisses explanation as fantasy. Some explanations will have empirical support and others will not. That is the important examination. If Somerby doesn't know how to test an idea, that is on him, but calling this process fantasy is wrong and dismissive of the expertise of those whose job it is to study and eventually understand what happened. This is more of Somerby's anti-intellectualism, and I am sick of it.
DeleteAnd how would one go about testing the hypothesis Somerby highlighted today, "America wanted DJT. That's who we are as a people."
DeleteIt obviously does not resemble a hypothesis in any way, shape or form and yet presents itself as if it was factual. Please describe the test protocols you would employ.
I agree, it is not a testable hypothesis, it's ultimately an opinion...
DeleteMy nephew inadvertently reminded me that Trump supporters are more open-minded than Trump opponents. He told me that he wouldn't hold my support of Trump against me. He said family is more important.
ReplyDeleteNow the idea of me holding his political position against him had never even occurred to me. Based on what I read, some friendships broke up over Trump. When that happened it generally was the Trump opponent rejecting the Trump supporter. That's because MAGAs are more accepting of different views than anti-MAGAs.
Shay Moss and Ruby Freeman totally agree with you.
Deletewhat evidence do you have that Trump supporters are more accepting of different views. Because that is not my experience.
DeleteDickhead in Cal, go fuck yourself, you fascist creep.
Delete@10:46 - As I said, my opinion is based mostly on what I read. I am therefore particularly interested in your actual experiences. Could you possibly provide more details on these experiences?
DeleteAnonymouse 10:45am, uh…. that’s a hard one… What…oh what…. Hey! We can start with an organized political operation being waged against a liberal blogger because he doesn’t go by a rigorously mandated script.
DeleteThe GOP purged from its ranks anyone who criticized Trump and didn’t later kiss his ring. They characterize liberals, all Democrats, as degenerate and evil. Yeah, you’re a tolerant lot.
DeleteWhere do you read that Trump supporters are more accepting of other opinions? Or that Trump supporters are unfriended at a greater rate?
DeleteOh look the man pretending to be a woman responding to the man pretending…pfff you name it: that he is an actuary, related to a writer, related or connected to various people, etc., our own personal Zelig.
DeleteTwo lonely people desperate for attention.
Two clowns, of the John Wayne Gacy type.
Two utter dumb fucking morons.
Anonymouse 11:59am, the political leadership is different from David’s nephew or a non govt org. . I doubt a pol would have stayed in leadership if they had suggested that Biden’s replacement be someone other than Comma La.
Deleteto dave in cal, my experience has generally been that Trump supporters are angry. Anytime I have offered a differing opinion, I get shouted down, oftentimes with talking points that have nothing to do with the original topic. Vulgar language directed at Kamala Harris and others. And generally an unwillingness to admit that their side is not correct 100% of the time, which is a statistical impossibility. I have oftentimes offered that Trump or republicans may be right about this issue or that issue, but there is never a reciprocal admission that someone else's opinion might be valid and should at least be heard and understood. But this is only my experience, and not anything scientific. And I am under no illusion that the same thing does not exist on the left. Just your suggestion that Trump supporters are more understanding is not what I have seen, and I would LOVE to see evidence of how you came to this conclusion. Personally I think both sides should stop talking past each other, but that won't happen.
DeleteSomerby comes close to making a salient point about how Harris lost because of depressed turnout of Dems.
ReplyDeleteIn CA, with automatic mail in ballots now codified and instituted, they are on track to get slightly less than the turnout in 2020, maybe 5-10% less. Extrapolated nationally, this level of turnout, generated by universal mail in ballots, would have resulted in a win for Harris.
It is still less than 2020, which needs explaining, the most likely explanation being issues related to racism and sexism.
But Somerby is focused on the border, not because of evidence, he presents none, so it appears to be a personal bugaboo with him, some kind of xenophobia.
Somerby says: “years of unexplained chaos at the southern border”, except this is inaccurate, there was not chaos at the border related to Biden. There was a wave of immigration, which has happened many times in America, to the benefit of America, and there was chaos under Trump because as immigration increased, Trump instituted inhumane policies. Biden reversed those inhumane policies and then immediately set about dealing with stemming the immigration wave. Note too, that in modern times, waves of immigration are sparked by chaos in the homeland of immigrants, chaos typically the US has a major hand in (see Trump’s disastrous foreign affairs).
Somerby is a poor thinker, and his analysis is inaccurate.
The boarder and inflation were pounded into people's heads relentlessly. Whether it was "years of unexplained chaos" or "a wave of migration, which has happened many times in America" doesn't matter (I happen to agree that it was hyped up). The idea that it was a crisis and unprecedented was plugged to death by certain outlets, and seemed to resonate with a lot of people I know.
DeleteI personally have no idea why individuals voted for Trump, and I am sure that many different people had many different reasons, but if you told me it was because of immigration and inflation, I would certainly believe it.
Somerby didn't think up the point about low turnout. I mentioned it in comments yesterday. Yastreblansky talked about it first. Now that people are taking a closer look at the numbers, the low turnout by Democrats is obvious.
DeleteConsider whether Somerby's focus on the border (which arrived in 2015) is not just a repetition of Republican talking points having nothing to do with Somerby's personal concerns. He is echoing a Republican talking point, as he does nearly every day.
But I agree with your conclusion about Somerby, even if I think you are missing that he continues to reflect the right, not the left, in his essays.
Here is part of what Digby says about explaining the outcome:
ReplyDelete"Yet when the country elects a fascist demagogue, misogynists and racists are not the go-to fall guys for the press and pundit class. Nor economic or status anxiety. It’s Democrats.
Why did Kamala Harris’s message of joy and hope fail? What might Democrats have done differently to woo the working class? What if they had edged out Joe Biden earlier? Did Harris listen to the wrong consultants? Did she spend too much time (or too little) courting the wrong set of voters? Was she too far left? Not left enough? Did Democrats focus too much on the wrong inequalities? Did Democrats fail “the test of persuasion“?
Is it just me, or is it nuts that pundits are analyzing why Democrats lost the 2024 election without examining what’s happened to American society? That patriarchy will not go quietly? Or that 73 million of us chose an autocratic, misogynist felon, xenophobe, and national security risk because, as Brian Beutler put it, “the price of bacon increased“? As if millions face violent deportation, Ukrainians face learning Russian, Gazans face unfettered slaughter, and the world witnesses the collapse of NATO and the advent of fascism American-style because the Democratic Party has a marketing problem?"
I agree that there should be more discussion of the role of misogyny in the aftermath of Trump's win. That is so obvious from Trump's appeal to bros via Joe Rogan, and the crowing of Nick Fuentes and others over their triumph over women, that the absence of mention is glaring in its meaning. For women, it is one step forward and two steps back, and that is no more fair than anything else in our society.
The people blaming "unjustified" economic malaise for Trump's win are also close. I agree with those suggesting that this is about income equality, not deprivation. And few people are discussing that either.
Some explanations require doubling down on Democratic values. It sounds like Somerby and his ilk are instead discussing selling out to Trumpism. I do not plan to do that. But that is the typical Republican response (with notable exceptions). Which explanation you choose to believe dictates what you will do and who you will be over the next 5 years. Choose carefully.
Somerby's facile dismissal of the ideas of others has nothing to do with open-mindedness, David.
“I agree that there should be more discussion of the role of misogyny in the aftermath of Trump's win.”
DeleteMore discussion? It’s always THE discussion and the go-to explainstion. Only this time you’re going have to do your act of psychoanalytical paintballing on a bunch of chicks.
Hitler was intolerant of criticism, made bombastic claims about his own achievements and had scorn for intellectuals and experts.
DeleteAs his finance minister observed, “Hitler was so thoroughly untruthful he could no longer recognize the difference between lies and truth. But his followers craved ‘authenticity’ and facts no longer mattered.
Public rituals of choreographed humiliation portrayed Nazi opponents as weak and ridiculous, and turned entertained spectators into accomplices by virtue of their voyeuristic pleasure.
Ultimately the great achievement of the Third Reich was getting Germans to see themselves as the Nazis did: as an imperiled people who had created for themselves a new lease on collective life, that to make Germany great was to narrate a great awakening.
As events unfold, it increasingly appears that those of us that live in CA, live not in America, but in our own country.
ReplyDeleteA country that is the 5th largest economy in the world, 2nd largest by per capita.
CA is the primary driver of the economy and gdp in America, and our governor is moving to block Trumpism.
God bless those that do not live in CA, they may not live in CA but they live off of our work.