BLUE RUIN: Can you run a large modern nation this way?

THURSDAY, JANUARY 9, 2025

Bogus claims can spread faster than flames: Here at this incomparable site, we've been trying to address a set of extremely important questions. 

As a general matter, those questions are variants on one basic point of incomprehension—on a bit of puzzlement widely voiced here in Blue America:

How in the world did we ever lose to a guy like Donald J. Trump?

We Blues!  Quite routinely, we say that we can't imagine a reason why a decent person would ever have voted for someone like Donald J. Trump. In the face of such incomprehension, we tend to fall back on a preferred explanation for our (rather narrow) loss:

Trump's voters must all be racists!

This pleasing assertion is on wide display in Blue America's comment threads. Sometimes, our highest-profile tribal leaders even say such things as this:

BLUE AMERICAN POLITICAL LEADER (9/9/16): You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call "the basket of deplorables." 

(Laughter/applause

Right? 

(Laughter/applause

They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic—you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people—now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks—they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

As you can see by clicking here, that's the way these remarks were transcribed by the leading authority on this now-famous assessment.

In fairness, everyone speaks unwisely at some point in time. Unfortunately, that unwise statement went viral. 

Over on the Fox News Channel, the statement lingers as part of the national discourse. It may even explain why some people voted for Trump this part year, a full eight years after the fact.

Briefly, let's be fair. In that instance, the speaker said that only half of Trump's supporters were "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobicyou name it." 

(Were all those people "irredeemable?" It depends on how you parse the last part of that passage.)

At any rate, that was only half of the fellow's supporters! According to the speaker in question, the other half of his supporters were a different kettle of fish:

BLUE AMERICAN LEADER (continuing directly): But the "other" basket—the other basket—and I know, because I look at this crowd, I see friends from all over America here...but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. 

It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but—he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

Interesting! According to this high-profile leader, fully half of Trump's supporters were in fact redeemable. They actually weren't "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic—you name it," the way the other half were!

According to this political leader, we should empathize with those people. So it was in 2016—and  presumably, it was from this second basket of people that we Blues lost votes this last time around. 

Some voters for Biden now voted for Trump. Some voters for Biden stayed home this past year. Presumably, those switchers are drawn from the basket of redeemable people, not from the people who are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic—you name it.

According to that political leader, we should try to understand why they did what they did. We lost votes from people who aren't irredeemable. So how did we lose their votes?

For today, we're jus trying to clarify the question we've been attempting to chase. The basic fact remains true, as always:

No one else will ever be as smart or as decent as we Blue Americans are.

We Blues! We're fated to live with the effects of our vast superiority. This past year, we somehow managed to lose some votes from people who are at least redeemable. So how in the world did that ever happen? How did we lose their votes?

In the comments threads of our own Blue nation, some of us continue to "labor under a mistake." We continue to think, and to say, that everyone who isn't just like us is racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic—you name it. 

According to experts, this is the oldest conceptual framework in all of human affairs. This picture of the world is bred in the bone. It's the way we humans are wired.

Still and all, the question remains. How did we manage to lose those votes? What led the switchers to switch?

Was it something we said or did? Why did some voters leave us?

For today, we just wanted to clarify the reason for the season—the basic rationale behind our current search.

Many of us can't imagine why a decent person would have voted for Candidate Trump—or, perhaps, why a decent person might have decided to vote against a gang of people like us.

In our own view, there quite a few such reasons. Other Blues can see them at all!

In our search, we're trying to address that one small lapse. The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but we Blues are sometimes stuck with this one small bit of angry incomprehension.

Question:

When we admitted geniuses give voice to this massive incomprehension, is it possible that we drive even more voters away?

This afternoon: Can a large modern nation really function this way? Bogus statements can travel faster than the flames from a very large fire!

Tomorrow: We recall what Alberta said


35 comments:



  1. "How in the world did we ever lose to a guy like Donald J. Trump?"

    That's because we're losers. And because everyone hates us. For a bunch of very good reasons.

    This has been another installment of obvious answers to obvious questions.

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    1. Not enough stealing from children's cancer charities to sway a Republican voter.

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  2. What kind of idiot thinks Republican voters are persuadable?

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  3. Let's not confuse Republican voters bigotry, with stupidity.

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  4. "We continue to think, and to say, that everyone who isn't just like us is racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic—you name it."

    More lies from Somerby.
    I never said all people who are different than me are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic. I said Republican voters are all racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic.
    But that's only because I took Bob's advice and listened to "the Others".

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    1. But is Islamophobia really wrong? Asking for a friend.

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    2. Fear of religion is never wrong.

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    3. Religion in general is unhealthy, but singling out a particular religion and being unreasonably intolerant of it is bigotry, and is also unhealthy.

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    4. Things I am not worried about in the US of A.
      1. Intolerance of religious bigots.

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  5. Is Bob trying to convince us that the Republican voters who tried to toss out the 2020 Presidential election results because black people's votes were counted aren't racists?
    Bob should really start to look for things that are more constructive with his time.

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  6. There's really nothing more Harris could do.
    She already got each and every Republican voter who is economically anxious to vote for her. Which other persuadable Republican voters does Bob think she ought to have gotten?

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  7. Pro tip for Bob:
    Playing a dumber and stupider David in Cal on the internet is no way to go through life.

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    1. Yeah, we’ve reached the point where Bob is less cognitive than David. Sad.

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  8. It was genius for Trump to lie to his voters about Haitian immigrants eating pet cats and dogs.
    David in Cal knows why, but he won't say because he doesn't want people to know he agrees with the person who says all Republican voters are bigots.
    Don't tell him, we already know he agrees. It makes him sad.

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  9. David in Cal (and Bob) have put in a lot of man hours over the years pretending Republican voters aren't just a shit pile of bigots.
    They think if they cop to the truth now, all that time will have been wasted.

    (Narrator: It was a waste of time, anyway.)

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  10. Of course Republican voters are persuadable.
    They've been persuaded to agree with Karl Marx regarding corporations like Disney, Anheuser-Busch, the mainstream media's ownership, etc. Who saw that coming, after decades of their knee-jerk criticisms of Marxism?

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  11. Kevin updates us on Elon and the fires:

    https://jabberwocking.com/elon-musk-is-the-new-emperor-of-misinformation/

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    1. Everyone is a supporter of free speech, until they are accused of fucking goats.

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    2. Freedom of speech means you have the right to agree with me.

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  12. Hillary was right.

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  13. Not only are Trump voters racists and bigots, but they are tolerant (accepting) of the anti-scientific stance taken by the right in the US. Trump is deeply ignorant about how the physical world works and daily says things that show absolutely no knowledge of basics children know, such as where rain comes from. Trump proposes ridiculous ideas that conflict with scientific knowledge and his supporters humor him in it. How can anyone seriously believe that a man who is so completely stupid is fit to govern our country?

    The willingness to support ignorance is as deplorable as the bigotry, religiosity, and greed shown by Trump supporters when they enable Trump and put him in office.

    Voting for a bad leader makes someone a bad person themselves. Bad people are people who do bad things knowingly, harming others and destroying our world. That includes Somerby.

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  14. We can put aside what radical feminists and BLM do. They hate men and whites and merit.

    White male college-educated voters voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

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    1. White women voted for Trump.

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    2. The Republican Psrty does an amazing job of pretending their love of merit is why they oppose Affirmative Action, and not because they are nothing but a shit pile of bigots.
      You can tell they are full of shit, because not one of them has proposed a 100% Estate Tax rate.
      Merit, my ass!

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  15. Believing that Trump people are deplorable bigots leads to some puzzling conclusions:
    -- Scott Bessent is a homophobe
    -- Clarence Thomas is a racist
    -- Kash Patel and Jay Bhattacharya are prejudiced against Asians
    -- Ivanka Trump is an antisemite.
    -- Pam Bondi is a misogynist.
    -- Donald Trump is an ageist

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    1. David I’m Cal would like us to forget he’s a self-hating Jew who supports fascism.
      Let’s not do that.

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    2. Scott Bessent is a racist.
      Clarence Thomas is a homophobe.
      Patel and Jay are fascists.
      Ivanka is a hot piece of ass.
      Pam Bondi is a corrupt AG
      Donald Trump is megalomaniacal lying sack of shit
      The Proud Boyz are racists

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    3. @1:17 -- I support Trump who lives in a part Jewish family. I strongly support Israel over the Palestinians. How does that make me self-hating?

      BTW @1:17 speaking of self-hating, are you by any chance white or male?

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    4. Believing that DiC is an atheist, as he has stated, is entirely consistent with the fact that he is Jewish, as he has stated. Believing that a resident of California can misspell the longstanding governor’s name on multiple occasions on this blog is entirely consistent with being an educated resident of California.

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    5. David,
      Are you referring to layabout Jew, Jared Kushner, as part of Trump’s family?
      It’s not because Trump support’s Jews. Trump is just jealous of Kushner’s penis.

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    6. We know you're a "good Jew", DiC. You would never make trouble for the Nazis. I remember you telling us how your Polish relations always complained about some Jewish friends with Hitler Derangement Syndrome.

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    7. The best penis is an uncircumsized penis.

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  16. "Trump's voters must all be racists!"

    Somerby's strawman de jure.

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  17. Is Somerby of sound mind? These posts seem phoned in at best. Can we get someone to do a welfare check on Somerby?

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