SATURDAY, JANUARY 4, 2025
Gödel, Escher and Bosh: "What Can I Do For You?"
Once again, it was one of Dylan's questions, during his Christian period. Three albums emerged from that era, including Saved, the 1980 album which included this heartfelt cut.
We're not religious ourselves. Beyond that, we have no cosmological beliefs, beyond the assumption that we humans—at least those of us in the West—don't have the slightest idea who or what or where we are, or how we got wherever we are, or how the realm in which we're found can best be characterized.
Still, "What Can I Do For You?" strikes us as a superb performance of a song which can have strong secular application. A bit of tape we watched yesterday reminded us of the Christian albums, each of which had at least one song we very much liked and admired.
"What Can I Do For You?" was one such song. As our national culture—such as it was—continues to crash and burn. the song is asking a question we ourselves continue to chase.
Then too, there's what Kevin has said.
As we've long noted, we think Kevin Drum's work on lead exposure is the best work we know about in the whole quarter century of online exposition. Plainly, though, he was trying to trigger us when he listed the Hofstadter book among his twenty favorites in this recent street-fighting post.
Why would he want to lash out like that? We have no idea.
He stuck it in at #11, pretending he meant for its inclusion to go unnoticed. To what book do we refer? We refer to this (award-winning) book, a book of close to 800 pages:
Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid. Douglas Hofstadter, 1979.
As if that isn't bad enough, the publisher includes this grabber as a capsule description:
A metaphorical fugue on minds and machines in the spirit of Lewis Carroll.
Ow ow ow ow ow ow ow! You may be getting our point.
At one point, maybe twelve years ago, we actually tried to peruse this famous book. To be fair, the book did win several major awards. The leading authority offers this short account of the world's longest possible book:
Gödel, Escher, Bach
Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid, also known as GEB, is a 1979 book by Douglas Hofstadter.
By exploring common themes in the lives and works of logician Kurt Gödel, artist M. C. Escher, and composer Johann Sebastian Bach, the book expounds concepts fundamental to mathematics, symmetry, and intelligence. Through short stories, illustrations, and analysis, the book discusses how systems can acquire meaningful context despite being made of "meaningless" elements. It also discusses self-reference and formal rules, isomorphism, what it means to communicate, how knowledge can be represented and stored, the methods and limitations of symbolic representation, and even the fundamental notion of "meaning" itself.
In response to confusion over the book's theme, Hofstadter emphasized that Gödel, Escher, Bach is not about the relationships of mathematics, art, and music, but rather about how cognition emerges from hidden neurological mechanisms. One point in the book presents an analogy about how individual neurons in the brain coordinate to create a unified sense of a coherent mind by comparing it to the social organization displayed in a colony of ants.
Gödel, Escher, Bach won the Pulitzer Prize for General Nonfiction and the National Book Award for Science Hardcover.
"Confusion over the book's theme?" Where could that have come from?
In fairness, we included the passage about the awards. That said, here's what the leading authority tells us next about this award-winning book:
Structure
Gödel, Escher, Bach takes the form of interweaving narratives. The main chapters alternate with dialogues between imaginary characters, usually Achilles and the tortoise, first used by Zeno of Elea and later by Lewis Carroll in "What the Tortoise Said to Achilles." These origins are related in the first two dialogues, and later ones introduce new characters such as the Crab. These narratives frequently dip into self-reference and metafiction.
Word play also features prominently in the work. Puns are occasionally used to connect ideas, such as the "Magnificrab, Indeed" with Bach's Magnificat in D; "SHRDLU, Toy of Man's Designing" with Bach's "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring"; and "Typographical Number Theory", or "TNT", which inevitably reacts explosively when it attempts to make statements about itself. One dialogue contains a story about a genie (from the Arabic "Djinn") and various "tonics" (of both the liquid and musical varieties), which is titled "Djinn and Tonic". Sometimes word play has no significant connection, such as the dialogue "A Mu Offering", which has no close affinity to Bach's The Musical Offering.
One dialogue in the book is written in the form of a crab canon, in which every line before the midpoint corresponds to an identical line past the midpoint. The conversation still makes sense due to uses of common phrases that can be used as either greetings or farewells ("Good day") and the positioning of lines that double as an answer to a question in the next line. Another is a sloth canon, where one character repeats the lines of another, but slower and negated.
Ow ow ow ow ow ow ow! By now, you surely must know what we mean.
For ourselves, we'd be slow to assume that the judges who awarded those prizes actually read all the way through this book. Beyond that, its reasoning largely turns on "Russell's Paradox," a formulation which we regard as the upper-end academic clown show of the last century.
With apologies, this arrives early in the 787-page book, mostly on page 17:
Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid
[...]
In the examples we have seen of Strange Loops by Bach and Escher, there is a conflict between the finite and the infinite, and hence a strong sense of paradox. Intuition senses that there is something mathematical involved here. And indeed in our own century a mathematical counterpart was discovered, with the most enormous repercussions. And, just as the Bach and Escher loops appeal to very simple and ancient intuitions—a musical scale, a staircase—so this discovery, by K. Gôdel, of a Strange Loop in mathematical systems has its origins in simple and ancient intuitions. In its absolutely barest form, Godel's discovery involves the translation of an ancient paradox in philosophy into mathematical terms. That paradox is the so-called Epimenides paradox, or liar paradox. Epimenides was a Cretan who made one immortal statement: "All Cretans are liars." A sharper version of the statement is simply "I am lying;" or, "This statement is false." It is that last version which I will usually mean when I speak of the Epimenides paradox. It is a statement which rudely violates the usually assumed dichotomy of statements into true and false, because if you tentatively think it is true, then it immediately backfires on you and makes you think it is false. But once you've decided it is false, a similar backfiring returns you to the idea that it must be true. Try it!
The Epimenides paradox is a one-step Strange Loop, like Escher's Print Gallery. But how does it have to do with mathematics? That is what Gödel discovered. His idea was to use mathematical reasoning in exploring mathematical reasoning itself. This notion of making mathematics "introspective" proved to be enormously powerful, and perhaps its richest implication was the one Gödel found: Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem. What the Theorem States and how it is proved are two different things. We shall discuss both in quite some detail in this book. The Theorem can be likened to a pearl, and the method of proof to an oyster. The pearl is prized for its luster and simplicity; the oyster is a complex living beast whose innards give rise to this mysteriously simple gem.
Gödel's Theorem appears as Proposition VI in his 1931 paper "On Formally Undecidable Propositions in Principia Mathematica and Related Systems I." It states:
To every w-consistent recursive class K of formulae there correspond recursive class-signs r, such that neither v Gen r nor Neg (v Gen r) belongs to Fig (K) (where v is the free variable of r).Actually, it was in German, and perhaps you feel that it might as well be in German anyway. So here is a paraphrase in more normal English:
All consistent axiomatic formulations of number theory include undecidable propositions.This is the pearl.
So much to ridicule, so little time—and we do regard that as a clown car. But in this, the world within which Dylan longed to serve, that's a prime example of the (high academic) business we've chosen.
The sheer folly of "This statement is false" would almost seem to come straight out of the work of the later Wittgenstein. We've run through this folly several times in the past. Today, we won't go there again.
In fairness, this endless book won major awards! On the other hand, we regard it, on its face, as a work of manifest nonsense on an ascending scale.
(This statement is false, the logician once said. But to what statement was he referring? No such statement existed!)
"What can I do for you?" Dylan once asked. We've been chasing the same puzzle too, with no good outcome in sight.
Our national discourse, such as it ever has been, has descended all the way onto the garbage pile. Our journalists continue to refuse to discuss the actual state of play as an apparent madman ascends our ultimate crystal stair.
Our discourse sits on the garbage pile. On the highest end of our academic discourse, big piles of bosh fail to help.
We regard GEB as the world's least coherent, most self-impressed and self-referential book. Admittedly, it won several major awards, and our view could always be wrong, if only in some minor way which has long escaped detection.
For extra credit only: "All consistent axiomatic formulations of number theory include undecidable propositions?"
Is there anything "normal" about that "English?" On what planet? Discuss!
"Beyond that, we have no cosmological beliefs, beyond the assumption that we humans—at least those of us in the West—don't have the slightest idea who or what or where we are, or how we got wherever we are, or how the realm in which we're found can best be characterized."
ReplyDeleteOnly someone profoundly ignorant can say something like this. We not only have knowledge of how our planet was formed but also of how life emerged from that long process. We know where we fit in the evolution of planets and animals on our planet. We know a great deal about our ancestor species and the circumstances in which they lived, the evolutionary pressures that led to our own appearance as a species, and the development of both technology and culture in more recent times.
Somerby may have rejected Dylan's idea of a God, but he seems to have also rejected science as a way of knowing about ourselves, our planet and the cosmos more generally. What does Somerby think the Webb telescope has been taking pictures of?
These remarks this morning illustrate Somerby's stance of nihilism, rejecting all knowledge including the useful and higher confidence discoveries of scientists. At moments like this, it always strikes me that Somerby has gone too far in his determination that he will have learned nothing from the Harvard education his mother forced upon him against his will. That is nothing to be proud of, and so shameful I am amazed he does not hide it instead of proclaiming it for all to see like this.
How can Somerby expect to understand Godel if he doesn't know (or won't accept) the basics about life on our planet?
typo correction: "evolution of planets and animals" should be "evolution of plants and animals"
DeleteWe do not know how life began.
DeleteCheck out Trump's pick to head the IRS:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phb8oUnX3vk
Yes, we do know how life began.
DeleteNope. That’s an outstanding problem.
DeleteNope, only if you insist on being present. We now know how but don’t have the means to do it.
DeleteThere is a broadly accepted theory with plenty of supporting evidence. That’s good enough for me, esp considering the alternative.
DeleteCorrect, we do know how life began, we can not replicate the process, but we are getting close, replicating some of the foundations.
DeleteThe world’s greatest science book says it better than I can:
Delete“The transition from non-life to life has never been observed experimentally, but many proposals have been made for different stages of the process.”
Proposals, not known facts. We still don’t know which proposals are true, and we haven’t ruled out the possibility that what really happened isn’t covered by any current proposals at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
anon 12:40, you exhibit excessive hubris. Socrates is said to have said that the more one knows, the more one knows he does not know; true then and true today. We know (speaking of all of humanity) way more now than ever before, knowledge-wise and science-wise but there is an infinite amount of things no one knows, and certainly way more than any one person knows. How far has science gotten in answering this one: why is there something rather than nothing? at some point did something 9atoms?) come out of nothing? Seems impossible, but there it is.
DeleteThat's like saying evolution or gravity is just a theory.
DeleteGiven how little was known in Socrates’ lifetime he is not a good source of quotes about knowledge.
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ReplyDelete"We're not religious ourselves. "
You know, Bob, people who are not religious are mad, all of them. I read it in some G.K. Chesterton's book, don't remember which one (Orthodoxy, maybe?). He was extremely convincing. Very, very good English there, by the way.
This means that you're mad, Bob. You're some kind of insane.
Did Bandy Lee say so? And don't forget that the mentally ill are to be pitied, especially Trump.
DeletePeople who find Bob Dylan's religious conversion inspiring would do well to remember that ideas of God are preceded by long stretches of time when no notion of God existed. Do monkeys have a God? Ideas of God are receding in our world culture because we no longer find that explanation illuminating. It isn't being replaced by Godel (as Somerby hints) but by actual understanding of the mysteries God was invented to explain. With any luck, there will be very long stretches of time where the notion of God is a quaint period in history superseded by better knowledge.
Somerby is impatient with uncertainty and dislikes diversity of thought, culture, or anything else. That is unfortunate given that diversity is nature's way of boosting evolution under the constraints of environment. Somerby thinks that diversity is a bug not a feature, to be eliminated wherever possible, to be deplored as a sign of failure. Godel shows that even math can be messy. The messiness is the reason why we exist as a species and why we are still capable of evolving as needed to adjust to changing conditions. It is sad that Somerby understands so little about this stuff that he must type gibberish when he could be participating in our culture. Jimmy Carter showed that it is never too late to keep trying to serve others. Somerby serves only his own spite.
"If you wake up tomorrow morning thinking that saying a few Latin words over your pancakes is gonna turn them into the body of Elvis Presley, you have lost your mind. But if you think more or less the same thing about a cracker and the body of Jesus, you're just a Catholic." - Sam Harris
DeleteHoc est corpus Elvis Presleii.
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DeleteSadly, that Harris fella sounds like a dumbass. In addition to being some kind of insane.
DeleteSadly, that Harris fella sounds like a dumbass. In addition to being some kind of insane.
Believing in God is a sign of insanity.
Deletebelieving in an invisible Sky Daddy with whom you communicate telepathically . . . now THAT'S some serious crazy
Delete""What Can I Do For You?" was one such song. As our national culture—such as it was—continues to crash and burn. the song is asking a question we ourselves continue to chase."
ReplyDeleteOne secular application of the lyrics of Dylan's song is the traditional interpretation of political jobs as public service positions in which those elected or appointed serve their constituents and the greater good. With the passing of Jimmy Carter, who exemplified that idea, we have lost our greatest reminder of what a life of service should be.
It would be a cruel joke to list the Republican charlatans selling fake $2 bills with Trump's face on them, for just $19.95 each, or the outrageous billionaires begging for favors from Trump, as if their current wealth is insufficient to pay their bills. No service there, just greed.
Somerby's worst moment last year was when he agreed that Biden, despite his exemplary service to our nation, should be shoved aside because he was too old, despite being 20+ years younger than Jimmy Carter, who worked for others until he was no longer able to do the work. Biden's recently announced list of medal recipients include many with a service orientation similar to his own.
Today, Trump is whining because flags will be at half-mast to honor Carter for the traditional month following his passing. Trump thinks that was deliberately done to rain on his inauguration. That's how someone thinks who has never lifted a finger to serve anyone but himself. Trump is a blot on humanity, but so is Somerby. His idea of an essay today is to criticize the work of a brilliant man who contributed to both math and computer science, because he didn't write anything Somerby could personally understand. The small-mindedness of Somerby's world is evident every time he proclaims that if he doesn't understand it or believe it, it is worthless, including all knowledge, since Somerby is busy forgetting whatever he ever knew because who needs knowledge when we have Trump?
When knowledge is needed and gets tested in real life situations, we find out its actual worth. Anyone can look around at our modern world, even in the least developed nations, and see how far we have come from the primordial ooze. Except not Somerby. Godel doesn't speak to him, so the rest is all shit, Somerby says smugly. Especially we blue tribe members -- and don't you forget it!
How is your little grandson? Have you enjoyed time together recently?
DeleteThank you for your interest and concern, but your inquiry feels invasive in the absence of an otherwise positive relationship between you and I. Try being nice and making some friends here, and then your questions will be welcome instead of creepy.
DeleteIt would be a shame if something were to happen to them.
DeleteHow is your piano? Has it fallen on your head yet? It would be a shame if that were to happen to you. Don't you feel like an idiot typing this stuff?
DeleteFuck off @1:00, we already have enough right wing/Republican lunatics running around killing people.
DeleteGEB is one of my favorite books of all time. To be fair, my background is mathematics. But I am sorry for Bob that he didn’t get through it.
ReplyDeleteA major theme is META or the concept of self referential. This theme runs through Hofstadter’s analysis of the three subjects. IIRC it also includes a similar analysis of Chopin’s music. The analogy of brain cells to ant colonies is brilliant. In fact the whole book shows off the author’s brilliance. Maybe Bob if envious.
Probably he is envious, since he has shown himself to be envious of reporters and Gutfeld and teachers whose students actually learn, and successful women.
DeleteSomerby mocks Tucker Carlson’s demon episode, yet Dylan is taken more seriously even though Dylan too makes a similar, silly claim about being visited physically by Jesus in a hotel room in Arizona.
ReplyDeleteDylan is still a Christian (he was born into a Jewish family); his music is still uninspired, bland nursery rhymes for the nostalgia-ridden elderly toddlers that pine for their glory years.
Dylan’s various sellout phases are notorious, Keith Richards calls Dylan a “prophet of profit”.
Somerby has weird high praise for Kevin Drum too. Drum, retired from his marketing career, is a self described centrist, who writes a vanity blog where he regurgitates whatever news item of the day catches his interest.
Somerby praises Drum for his “work on lead exposure”, but Drum has done no such thing. Scientists have worked on the dangers of lead exposure and the possible connection to crime, which has been noted by various journalists; all Drum has done is repeat news coverage of the issue. And Drum’s take on the issue is not borne out by the evidence, a recent meta study says there is limited data and the link between lead exposure and criminal behavior is weak:
“no clear findings regarding the association between lead exposure during specific developmental windows of exposure and the later development of criminal behavior emerged within the literature”.
Somerby’s blog is dying because he eschews the insights he used to have, for example how corporate media functions as stenographers for a right wing agenda, preferring instead to find emotional comfort in wagging his finger at Dems, bitter at his lack of relevancy. It kind of mirrors how Dylan became bitter after being lauded early in his career, but was then overwhelmed by a wave of much better musicians, so he sold out.
Drum was a paid blogger and writer for Mother Jones before becoming ill and retiring. Calling his blog a "vanity blog" in light of his major illness seems a bit unfair. He does seem to have a bias toward debunking trends noted by others, and he has a benign neglect of women that results in sexism in his charts and their interpretation, much as his commenters noted that female authors were largely missing from his list of favorite books last week.
DeleteTo Drum's credit, when he followed Somerby down the rabbit hole over those MS reading score improvements, he corrected his statements as soon as he realized he was mistaken. Somerby never did, despite painstaking attempts to explain his errors (with citations).
It is easy to induce a religious experience via sensory deprivation, fasting, drug use, intense focus guided by expectation, and similar abuses of one's physiological functioning. These are generally referred to as hallucinations and considered to be symptoms, especially when they arise without serious effort at producing them.
DeleteAs a bored student in class, I used to stare fixedly at a pencil end until I felt a kind of self-hypnosis and depersonalization in an altered state of consciousness. Throw in religious thoughts and you have a spiritual experience. Most people can do this without any involvement by God. It is the interpretation that makes this a religious experience.
https://www.braininstitute.pitt.edu/inducing-hallucinations-yes-youre-seeing
DeleteReligious indoctrination is abuse.
DeleteNobody with more than two brain cells believe either Tucker Carlson or Dylan's ridiculous stories; they are both merely selling a product.
Delete"As we've long noted, we think Kevin Drum's work on lead exposure is the best work we know about in the whole quarter century of online exposition. "
ReplyDeleteSomerby persists in attributing the lead hypothesis to Drum when it originated in Europe and was proposed by actual scientists. Drum is a journalist and he wrote an article for Mother Jones about that theory, continuing to discuss it in his blog.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis
Bob mocks Godel's result because it's stated in generality. Here's a more restricted version that may be easier to understand: Ordinary arithmetic has undecidable propositions.
ReplyDeleteTake for example, "1+1=2" and "1+1=3". The first statement is true and the second is false. But, Godel showed that there are arithmetic statements that are neither true nor false. Either possibility would be consistent with the rules of arithmetic.
Now take the next step, David. State an arithmetic proposition and show that it can’t be proven true or false.
DeleteThe Axiom of Choice cannot be proved or disproved. But, Godel showed that even if you add this axiom to your axiom list, there will still be other indeterminate statements.
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_choice
The Axiom of Choice isn’t arithmetic.
DeleteBesides, you haven’t shown me a proof that it’s undecidable.
Actuary my ass. David knows how to google/copy/paste, and spin a tale. Math? Not so much. Considering David's set of skills, it is neither remarkable nor unremarkable how consistently he distributes a continuum misinformation, arbitrarily pulling out elements from a set of facts to create false narratives.
DeleteHow can Bob be so dumb as not to know that “This statement is false” is a statement?
ReplyDeleteThat one’s confusing because it’s neither true nor false. Here’s a similar one that’s true: “This statement is an English sentence.” And here’s one that’s false: “This statement eats bananas.” I wonder if Bob would deny that they are statements.
He is strange.
Bob Somerby and Bob Dylan. Is every Bob an arsehole?
ReplyDeleteI refer to my arsehole as "Bob." Speak to me, Bob, oh toothless one.
DeleteBut Bob's a big fan on Drum's work on lead exposure.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise, it's misanthropy all the way down.
Bob, either one, could use a little lead exposure...Led Zeppelin that is. Compare the different versions of the traditional gospel In My Time of Dying; Dylan does a meager White man's version of appropriating the style of Black musicians that recorded the song in the 20s, while LZ uses the song as a jumping off point to create their own, unique epic song filled with energy and dynamism - people will be listening to LZ's version long after we've all forgotten about Dylan.
ReplyDeleteI honestly don't get the appeal of Dylan. The music is kind of lame. A few lines of the lyrics are ok. And the singing is just horrible. I'll take LZ, Paul Simon, or Steely Dan any day over Dylan.
DeleteSome of the melodies are pretty. He has been covered by a lot of singers.
DeleteDylan does not need your approval. He is an icon respected throughout the world by his peers, wrote a song the Rolling Stone staff has deemed the best R&R song of all time, and has a very large compilation of work that includes many well known and highly regarded songs. If I did not like an artist I surely would not be citing his cover of a song as an example of his artistry. Bizarre.
DeleteBizarre is having to have Rolling Stone magazine dictate your taste in music.
DeleteDylan’s music is a bore; Dylan seems a troubled person, a lost person, yet perfectly willing to follow the wind, chasing a buck.
"...yet perfectly willing to follow the wind, chasing a buck."
DeleteWhy would anyone do that in a Capitalist society?
1:59: If a panel of over 160 historians and presidential scholars label Trump the rock bottom worst president by vote and I cite that, it doesn't mean that I share that opinion, dumbass. You couldn't make it on a middle school debate club with that logic.
DeleteMy brother-in-law had the Goedel Escher Bach book in his bookcase, and I leafed through, and had a similar reaction to TDH, that it was over my head. (If I tried to dive into it, who knows, but I doubt I would have comprehended it). I don't know why TDH gets so worked up about it. There's lots of things I don't understand, and lots of field, way more than I actually know, and I think that goes for everyone, even geniuses. Is the book hogwash? or deserving of the praise it has been awarded? I don't know, and I'm pretty sure TDH doesn't know either.
ReplyDeleteExactly. I get it if someone would rather be a rodeo rider than a college professor but why disparage either one? If a zookeeper thinks he can do a better job if knowing more about animals, why not learn about them? Your attitude makes sense. Somerby’s is bizarre.
DeleteIt brings to mind earlier gripes that "the highest end of our academic discourse" doesn't meaningfully engage with current political events, like Trump's mental health. It also raises the question of whether it is "storyline all the way down" or a "novelization" that the book is thought of as profound, rather than unreadable, by people who don't either really know if it is hogwash or among the best and may have not even read it.
DeleteDifferent people appreciate different books. There are no universally loved books. We do not all understand the same things in the same way, don't all appreciate the same art and music. Why should Somerby pick on any of these works because he doesn't respond to them? A book isn't hogwash if you (or Somerby) don't resonate to it.
DeleteI think Bob Dylan is a narcissist. I like some of his music but not all of it. Who cares about my tastes? It is as if Somerby wants to declare anything he dislikes a fraud if others like what he doesn't appreciate. There is not uniformity on such things and it doesn't make Somerby right or others wrong. He should move on and find the books he does like. He seems to think a lot of Thoreau, who I find unreadable. To each his own.
Ultimately, the subject is tolerance. Somerby doesn't have any.
DeleteI don’t tolerate Somerby.
DeleteSomerby could be writing for readers who are comfortable when symbolism is used to scrutinize broader cultural and intellectual patterns rather than taking his criticisms personally and as purely subjective.
DeleteThat doesn’t excuse his calling Einstein and Godel crap.
DeleteWhen I read something beyond my comprehension I either make it my business to learn the subject, or I refrain from commenting on it, except perhaps to say the obvious: that I do not understand it. That decision is easy with higher math. Someday seems to think that without a great deal of study, his opinions regarding complex subjects he doesn't understand have value. They do, only in shedding insight into the way he thinks.
DeleteThere is an apt line in Gutenberg, The Musical. “What’s a metaphor? It’s when you say one thing and mean something else, but you aren’t lying.”
ReplyDeleteThere is plausible deniability for the statement and/or the meaning.
I haven’t seen any comments by Cecelia lately. I wonder if she still lurks here.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, I do. Happy New Year!
DeleteThe common era began 1 January, 1. The last day of this year, 31 December, 2025, will conclude forty-five times forty-five years of the common era.
DeleteAnd I love Cecelia.
ReplyDeleteThank you for fantastic information I was on the lookout for this info for my mission
Here is what we're in for in the next four years [via Jeff Tiedrich]:
ReplyDelete"“The U.K. is making a very big mistake. Open up the North Sea. Get rid of Windmills!”
windmills? why the fuck is Donny gibbering about windmills when the article he’s reacting to is about a windfall tax?
because our next president is a rapidly-deteriorating half-wit who can’t read a simple headline without veering into the tall weeds and completely misunderstanding the information that’s being presented to him, that’s why.
three words into the header, the family of feral raccoons that live inside Donny’s skull start chattering “windfall, windfall, windmill … we hate windmills, they cause noise cancer” — and off Donny goes, blithering on about yet another well-worn grudge."
Ignorance combined with dementia is a double whammy but red voters didn't care. Does Somerby chide them? Of course not -- they are paying his bills.
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DeleteWe'll know Trump has lost his mind when he no longer steals from children's cancer charities.
DeleteThe Left is hoping against hope that Trump loses his mind. Meanwhile, Trump is the same raping, grifting bigot who warms the cold dead hearts of Republican voters through his 24/7 bigotry, which Republican voters crave like a child craves candy.
DeleteSuck it libs!