Future Historians bring us the news!

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 2020

Wild battle underway: In this morning's Washington Post, Ashley Parker quotes a mordant GOP insider:

PARKER (11/7/20): [Trump's] allies are still divided into two main factions—one group, led by the president and his family, that still believes he has a path to victory and that he should continue to battle; and another, larger group of advisers and Republican officials who believe the presidency has all but slipped away.

Yet even those who now believe a Biden victory is a foregone conclusion have struggled with how to break the news to Trump. “They know he’s lost, but no one seems willing to tell King Lear or Mad King George that they’ve lost the empire,” said one Republican in frequent touch with the White House.

How bad is it for the reigning commander? This bad:

He himself may be mentally ill, whatever that means. Meanwhile, according to Parker, he's been getting advice from his personal attorney—Rudy Giuliani!

The highlighted statement above highlights a basic point: 

Anthropologically, we moderns are able to imagine political leaders in the grips of "madness" or mental illness. This is especially true if such kings are fictional, or are lost in the mists of time. 

We can comfortably imagine "madness" in such safely distanced cases. But we still aren't willing to discuss the possibility that a commander in this very day might be "afflicted" with a major psychiatric "disorder." So it goes as our primitive intellectual culture struggles toward the light. 

Meanwhile, we ourselves received a remarkable briefing last night. 

We were visited by spokespersons for Future Historians High in the Trees, a despondent group of credentialed future scholars. These spokespersons gave us an update on what is for them the ongoing or possibly completed fight for the 2024 Republican nomination.

According to these future experts, the leading candidates in the race are Donald Trump and his younger rival, Donald Trump Junior. Meanwhile, a strong outsider campaign is being waged by Mrs. Donald Trump Junior, the former Kimberly Guilfoyle, who is also seeking the nomination of the newly formed Fox & Friends First Party.

Mrs. Trump is said to be running on a surprisingly effective slogan: Make Fox & Friends Great Again.

Spokespersons for the future scholars gave us a statement from Lear himself. "To think that people  once thought I was mad," the fictional monarch has allegedly exclaimed.

Future Anthropologists Huddled in Caves, a better known future scholarly group, is officially calling this year's White House campaign a potential learning experience. 

"So-called human nature was on wide display," these despairing scholars have said. "It's all over now but the jumbled reactions."

Next week: Dueling interpretations of The Election Which Was


102 comments:

  1. Everybody on the planetNovember 7, 2020 at 10:44 AM

    Fuck you Mao.

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    2. You're both losers for even paying attention to "Mao."

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    3. Mao has left the building

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  2. A personality disorder, whether antisocial or narcissism, is not "madness". That term is reserved for what used to be called Axis I disorders, such as the manic phase of bipolar or schizophrenia. Personality disorders were considered Axis II and are pervasive and lifelong conditions, not considered mental illness, much less madness. So far, Mary Trump has only accused Trump of personality disorders.

    Somerby, as usual, doesn't know what he is talking about.

    Donald Trump senior will not be running for the presidency in 2024. Trump has lost this race, so Somerby immediately shifts to talking about 2024, because that is his only tool for battering liberals. He will be too preoccupied with his own legal problems, and Republicans will be wary of supporting him again. The country will have moved on.

    Somerby needs to move on too. I predict that he will decide to stop blogging once Biden takes office. There will be no one left to pay him to annoy liberals.

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    1. Trump will not run in 2024, this is obvious.

      The likelihood of Trump being alive in 2024 is very low.

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    2. The likelihood of Trump being in prison are higher. Although, he could still run from prison.

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  3. Notice that Somerby has not congratulated Biden. He has not expressed hope about our collective future. He has not rescinded his dire predictions (just shifted them to 2024) and he has himself behaved like a sore loser.

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    1. Yeah, I noticed that. No hope for our collective future. I share that view, because hope is thin gruel. The best thing we might hope for is a new Dark Ages. It’s a comin’.

      We might get through it, to a new Golden Age. But it seems unlikely. And curse the DNC for that.

      Leroy

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    2. Enjoy wallowing in your misery.

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    3. There is a theory that the Renaissance was sparked by the release from deprivation and embrace of life after the plague. If so, we may see a similar exuberant revival of culture and endeavor after covid is controlled.

      There is nothing clever or good about gloom and doom. It is the essence of depression, a disorder that people die from. Hope is necessary to life. Embracing despair is an adolescent pose that is offensive to those who are actually experiencing loss and death right now.

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    4. 4:18

      Wasn't trying to be clever. Your theory about the Renaissance seems unlikely, given the myriad factors that come into play, literally any moment in time.

      Hope is wishful thinking. It implies passivity. Replace it with optimism, and you might have an argument. Because I am optimistic. But I'm also a realist.

      Leroy

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    5. Not my theory. Read it in a book about the Renaissance.

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  4. Trump gets stomped in the election by Sleepy Joe. Even Mao has (finally) figured out why Trump's father saw Trump as a loser and disappointment.

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  5. Two words for Trump supporters, "you lose" Now stfu.

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  6. deadrat aptly called Somerby a Jeremiah figure.

    In contrast to being a jubilant angel Michael figure. Or something.

    I’ve been singing Hard Candy Christmas for two days.

    You folks aren’t any happier.

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    1. Don't be ridiculous. The actual liberals here are ecstatic that Biden won and Trump will be gone soon.

      Somerby called himself a Jeremiah figure, and literal as always, deadrat followed suit. That doesn't mean that has been Somerby's role here. He continues to behave like a conservative, and a racist one at that. But you don't have to be here any more, now that Dear Leader has lost. You can bounce back somewhere else.

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    2. I’ve been reading this blog and commenting now and again since “W”.

      I actually enjoy and admire the guy who writes it.

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    3. And that is another reason why Somerby is no liberal. He is clearly writing for the enjoyment of conservatives.

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    4. No, he’s clearly writing for thinking liberals and conservatives.

      A group you disparage from Leroy to me.

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    5. Leroy and you don't fit either category.

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    6. They don’t pay you to countenance Somerby fans.

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    7. Cecelia as usual does not have a point, but insists on typing words jumbled together.

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    8. Oh, you know I’m calling you what you are- a paid troll.

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    9. At 5:24 you attempted something, it failed, deliciously so. Much obliged.

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  9. Kimberly Guilfoyle was an assistant district attorney in San Francisco. She was married to Democrat Gavin Newsom and so served as First Lady of California.

    She was a legal commentator of FNC and was a host The Five. She was not a part of Fox and Friends.

    Even parody from Future Historians In Trees should get something right.

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    1. No, Kimberly Guilfoyle was married to Gavin Newsom before he was elected governor. She was first lady of San Francisco (he was mayor) from 2004-2006. They were only married for 5 years (2001-2006). She was an Asst DA from 2000 to 2004 (overlapping her marriage to the mayor). She joined Fox in 2006 (wonder why?).

      Someone unkind might call her an opportunist.

      Odd that you complain about others not getting things right when it is easy enough to look these things up on Wikipedia before you blather on.

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    2. She's a total coke whore.

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    3. I did get that wrong. Mea culpa.

      As for the “wonder why” if your argument is that Newsom helped her (as in the repugnant accusations about Willy Brown and Kamala Harris), it’s likely that Newsom could have made a job change necessary for Guilfoyle too.

      But thanks for being the usual liberal male.

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    4. Cecelia, Newsom didn't help her get a job at Fox. She traded on his notoriety. He legalized gay marriage while mayor of SF. Her leaving him made her a hot commodity for Fox. She would be nothing if she had stayed in her Asst DA job. She was not on Fox because of any legal acumen.

      So, you seem to have gotten that wrong too. For someone who wants to talk about Guilfoyle, you don't seem to know much about her (or Newsom for that matter). I'd wager that all you know about Willy Brown and Kamala Harris is dirty conservative smears.

      But thanks for being the usual conservative commenter using a female nym. Who knows who you really are beyond being a stupid bitch.

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  10. You don’t read for comprehension.

    I responded to the insinuation that KG left her position in California because it had hinged upon her being bed partners with her husband.

    Just as I characterized as repugnant the same sort of talk about Kamala Harris and Willie Brown.

    But thanks for being a total putz.

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    1. Generally we do not read here for comprehension, but since you doesnt thinks reel well this will be bepuzzlin ya.

      Typical of conservative males, you never make a point, or sense; you exude the self deluded "hero" with empty goals. To be Frank, Cecelia, you are a fraud.

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    2. If I pretended to be a conservative male I would certainly be a fraud, Einstein.

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    3. Cecelia, no one like you here. You are an annoyance. Please leave.

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    4. Yes, you certainly are a fraud, but clearly not Einstein.

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  11. Trump is doing more or less what Al Gore did - filing lawsuit after lawsuit in a forlorn hope.

    Patterns of votes received and specific behavior at certain election sites, suggest that there was considerable fraud. The fraud is probably not enough for a court to overturn the election. However, it's very important to learn as much as possible about the (alleged) fraud, so that election procedures can be adjusted to prevent it in the future.

    To be specific, the fraud I'm talking about is creating a bunch of fake absentee ballots and get them accepted. Once that's done, no re-count or other review will be able to prove that the ballots were faked. An article at the link explains how it's done. https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/

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    1. This is not true. Three of Trump's lawsuits were immediately dismissed because they presented no evidence of fraud. Without evidence, these suits are nuisance suits. I consider them "ego suits" presented to assuage Trump's enormous damaged ego.

      This reminds me of the underwear gnomes in that South Park episode. They had 3 steps to their conspiracy: (1) collect underwear, (2) ?, (3) make profit. No explanation how you turn used underwear into profit. In your version, you have: (1) get fake absentee ballots, (2) get them accepted, (3) win election. But you are hazy about how exactly you get fake ballots accepted when there is a process for verifying absentee ballots and no evidence that the process was being skipped or subverted. You even had observers present (6 ft not 10 ft away from the actual counting in PA) and they didn't produce any evidence of fraud.

      When ballots are verified, names are checked to make sure dead people and duplicates are not voting. Signatures are verified against past elections. Further, there would have to be malfeasance at multiple precincts, that means a huge conspiracy among lots of people. If there were that many people and places involved (as would be needed to produce enough of a lead), there would surely be some evidence of it. But these lawsuits are presenting no evidence and that is why they have been already tossed, and why future ones will be tossed too. Because fraud didn't happen.

      The people have spoken and Trump lost. Get over it.

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    2. well done Dotard!
      This is the most comprehensive well researched report I've read since der fuhrer released his massive binder of health care reforms.

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    3. Republicans like David are being played. Trump cannot concede because it would ruin his brand and interfere with his fund-raising for his court battles (which he is still siphoning for his personal purposes). At No More Mister Nice Blog, Steve M. discusses why pundits and more moderate Republicans are backing Trump's claims about fraud:

      "I don't think everyone who's expressing suspicions of electoral fraud actually believes there was any. I think many of them are just making a different bet on what's good for their careers as Republicans.

      I've been saying for years that Donald Trump will remain the effective head of the GOP even in defeat, but the Trump end-timers might not be remaining loyal to him because they believe that. They might just believe that the Republican electorate, goaded not only by the Trump campaign but also by right-wing media, will fervently embrace the election fraud narrative, and will conclude that anyone who doesn't embrace it is a sellout RINO, not only over the next several weeks but well into the future.

      It's possible that the people who are bailing on Trump are right. It's possible that delusional Trumpers will lose control of the party.

      But I doubt it. I think the end-timers are making the right bet."

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    4. Quoting the much revered New York Post almost certainly scored points here. Let me guess : NY Post reader / Fox viewer. So what did a former board of director for their parent company say about resigning from that post? That he could no longer preside over a company whose business model is to spread misinformation. That person being James Murdoch, Rupert’s son. So if you think that media outlets run by Newscorp are legitimate purveyors of information, and don’t lie to us about your goddam Fox viewership, try extricating your head from Rupert Murdoch’s ass. His own son was able to do it.

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  12. the only fraud here is you you fucking dotard.

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  13. Cecelia wants to make this about her. David wants to make it about fraud. But it is actually about the will of the people and Biden/Harris and their plans for our future.

    Here is what Jake Tapper said, and I agree. Somerby didn't even have the grace to congratulate Biden on his win. That says all you need to know about him.

    As quoted by Atrios:

    "TAPPER: He's not a seven-year-old kid who lost an ice skating competition and we all need to understand that feelings have been hurt and, you know, that there's some maturation that we shouldn't expect. He is a 74-year-old president of the United States and he lost re- election. And you know what? That's okay. That happens. It happened to George H.W. Bush, it happened to Jimmy Carter. It's happened to nine other or eight other previous presidents and he's the 11th to not be reelected. His emotional needs, frankly, are irrelevant. And I don't think that we should -- I mean, I think we should note it because it's historical, but I don't think we need to bend over backwards and pretend that the country moving on and MAGA nation moving on depends upon what Joe Biden does. Like Joe Biden is going to do what he can. And if a chunk of the leaders of the Republican Party want to drag the nation down with them, that's up to them."

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    1. There's something deeply wrong when working class Americans respond the way they did to a major party that theoretically is supposed to be fighting for them. You have to ask yourself what has the Democratic Party been standing for in their minds. In their minds, the Democratic Party unfortunately has taken on this role of the coastal urban elites who are more concerned about policing various cultural issues than improving their way of life that has been declining for years.

      As for the idiotic claims of bigotry, Trump gained voters in all camps, blacks, women, Latino, gays, every single camp except white men. So much for the bigotry scapegoat.

      The question is will the establishment Dems be able to take the message and keep winning by adjusting their failed corporate plutocratic hellscape of a platform or again ignore the obvious populist purple wave that took over the country years ago with moronic catcalls of neo-McCarthyism and bigotry?

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    2. Bernie...is that you?

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    3. We're analyzing the voting patterns of a losing candidate? Why?

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    4. Proudly displaying all the appropriate buzzwords and cliches, 12:14 PM announces his/her place in the circular firing squad.

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    5. Let's address the claims of bigotry that were refuted by black, latin, female and gay Trump voters.

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    6. "We're analyzing the voting patterns of a losing candidate? Why?"

      Because half the people didn't vote.

      Of the people that voted half voted against the winning candidate.

      Of the people that voted for the winning candidate and enormous percentage did so only as a vote against Trump, not as a support for the winning candidate or the winning party's platform.

      So we're analyzing the voting patterns because the amount of people that support Biden and current Democratic policies is a tiny, tiny minority of Americans and establishment Democrats have shown themselves to extremely ignorant of how voters feel, leading them to humiliating losses like this year in the House and Senate.

      Let's just hope establishment Dems don't get a big head. They barely beat the worst president in modern history.

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    7. Do working class Americans feel the current Democratic Party is truly concerned with improving their way of life?

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    8. Some do some don't. Now fuck off with your non-insight.

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    9. How many working class Americans feel the current Democratic Party is truly concerned with improving their way of life? Most? Many? Not many? A few?

      Also, let's address the claims of bigotry that were refuted by black, latin, female and gay Trump voters.

      25% of Trump voters were non white. 25% of LGBQT voters voted for Trump. They are bigots? No insight in those increasing numbers?

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    10. Let's explore this year's humiliating losses in the House and Senate for Democrats and their rejected platform. Is that not interesting?

      What explains those humiliating trounces?

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    11. 4:12,
      I listened to Trump voters. I was a bit surprised to learn it's not that Biden is in the pocket of big business, nor that he had anything to do with the plight of the manufacturing workers who's jobs have moved overseas.

      Instead, it's because Biden's a socialist, who wants to end capitalism and give certain people free things. Also, tons of white grievance.

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    12. The voices of non whites and the LGBQT community need to be heard by BOTH parties to a far greater degree. You'll get no argument against that.

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    13. There were not "humiliating trounces" but opportunities that didn't materialize. There were fewer senate seats up for grabs than there will be in 2 years. I am prepared to believe that quite a bit of the Biden vote was against Trump, whereas House races were based on those candidates virtues and some of them ran away from Trump. It is a big deal that Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell were even threatened.

      Some Dems are explaining the down-ticket races by saying that it was because Dems were being portrayed as all AOC-type progressives when many are not. The attempt to broad-brush the Dems as socialist might have seemed more believable than it is in reality.

      But no one is feeling humiliated by what happened. That is conservative wishful thinking -- an attempt to salvage some dignity out of Trump's loss. I would say that perhaps voters in red states are not holding local Republicans responsible for Trump, the way they should have done.

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    14. Really? 25% of them are not white. Are they bigots with white grievance too?

      Polls showed an overwhelming majority of voters want a 'government-run healthcare plan' something Biden and Pelosi actively oppose.

      Whats up with that?

      Maybe that is a problem that needs to be addressed by the establishment Dems.

      Exit polls showed a majority of voters are to the left of Democrats in the environment, war, electoral reform.

      What is up with that?

      Is that because they are all bigots?

      Or because the Democrats are bought and paid for by healthcare companies and companies whose bottom lines would be affected by regulations on environment, war, electoral reform, predatory lending etc? etc?

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    15. "Also, let's address the claims of bigotry that were refuted by black, latin, female and gay Trump voters."

      There is nothing that says that members of minority groups cannot vote against their own self-interest. However, there is also bigotry within such groups. Cubans are pretty disliked by other Hispanics because of their attitudes toward anyone not Cuban (and the way they look down on the Marielitos). There may be some black people who are not on board with social change such as gay marriage or women's issues. I am surprised that Trump's outreach was effective, given how heavy handed it was, but why should any group be monolithic?

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    16. It's not humiliating Democrats lost seats in the House? That is not humiliating to you?

      There's your problem right there.

      Yes, lack of humility is an enormous issue for Clinton/Obama Dems.

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    17. Bernie supporters and other progressives may believe that this is the time to renew their attacks on Democrats, but how do they expect to accomplish real change with the Senate still in Republican hands? That is unrealistic and all they will do is drive a wedge in the Dems and undermine their effectiveness at reversing the damage done by Trump.

      Keep up the noise, if you want that to happen. It would be better to work together after Biden's inauguration, just as the left did to achieve this important change.

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    18. So the 25% of non-white Trump voters are bigots too?

      Trump used Hispanic on Cuban bigotry to appeal to Hispanics?

      To state the obvious, you're not making any sense.

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    19. What important change? Barely beating the worst president in history with a motley coalition of triangulated voters who think Biden is a joke? Stay quiet and wait? Don't attack? Is this what you want?

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    20. No, Trump used Cuban bigotry to appeal to Cuban voters in FL. In TX, he used animosity toward immigrants to appeal to Hispanics who have been in the US for generations and dislike those who cross the border near their homes, legally seeking asylum or not. This would be obvious if you knew anything about Hispanics. Many are also against abortion.

      But the larger point is that coming into a liberal blog and arguing against Democrats is a losing tactic because a divided left aids Republicans. AOC, talking to Jake Tapper this morning, made a plea for Dems not to attack or blame progressives, but it works both ways. Your aggressive attacks on Dems in these comments illustrates exactly why Dems got fewer votes in down-ticket races. Just like the Bros gave Trump the presidency in 2016 by attack Hillary and refusing to vote for her, especially in those key midwestern states. Progressives are too few to dominate the Democratic party, but they are a large enough group to act as a spoiler.

      Here is what AOC said:

      "“I believe that we need to really come together and not allow Republican narratives to tear us apart,” Ocasio-Cortez said on divisions within the House caucus. Noting that the House holds a narrower majority than before, the New Yorker stressed that it’s “going to be more important than ever for us to work together and not fight each other.”

      Ocasio-Cortez reminded viewers of what many on the left already realize, saying that progressives have “assets to offer the party that the party has not yet fully leaned into.” She added that the conversation is deeper than simply “saying anything progressive is toxic and a losing message.”

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    21. In case you didn't get my point -- saying "anything Democratic is toxic and a losing message" is also destructive to a party that needs to work together.

      It was important that we win this one. It is still important that we work together in order to maintain sufficient strength to reverse Trump's damage. So, you can indulge in these stupid attacks on Dems but it is clear who you are helping by doing it. Like Somerby, you play into conservative hands and help those whose aims are opposed to all of our goals. Your choice. Be a grown-up and cool it.

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    22. @5:28 and earlier -- this is Mao's new incarnation. A new kind of trolling for a new administration.

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    24. The question is do working class Americans feel the current Democratic Party is truly concerned with improving their way of life? That is the question that can and will be asked now loudly and always until the answer is yes.

      Working class Americans feeling the current Democratic Party is truly concerned with improving their way of life is the NORTH FUCKING STAR.

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    25. Why would you call these attacks? They are not attacks.

      "There's something deeply wrong when working class Americans respond the way they did to a major party that theoretically is supposed to be fighting for them. You have to ask yourself what has the Democratic Party been standing for in their minds. In their minds, the Democratic Party unfortunately has taken on this role of the coastal urban elites who are more concerned about policing various cultural issues than improving their way of life that has been declining for years."

      That is an attack?

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    26. "Polls showed an overwhelming majority of voters want a 'government-run healthcare plan'...

      Wow. A majority of Americans want "socialism'? Who knew?
      Send me the link to that poll. I want to see how it was worded.
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      "Exit polls showed a majority of voters are to the left of Democrats in the environment, war, electoral reform."

      Send me the link to these polls too.
      I'll print them out, and throw them in the face of any dickwad who tries to tell me there is a call for Right-wing ideology.

      Thanks in advance.

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    27. "Working class Americans feeling the current Democratic Party is truly concerned with improving their way of life is the NORTH FUCKING STAR."

      Democrats will have to actually come through for working class Americans. They don't have the built-in corporate media advantage Republicans do, so propaganda probably won't work.

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    28. "In their minds, the Democratic Party unfortunately has taken on this role of the coastal urban elites who are more concerned about policing various cultural issues than improving their way of life that has been declining for years."

      What do you suggest?
      We wear "Biden 2020: Fuck Your Feelings" t-shirts to let them know how little we care?

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    29. "...their way of life that has been declining for years."

      They a want to blame others for their own failures.

      "In their minds..."

      They've been "educated" in the madrases (of Fox, Hannity, and Right-wing talk radio to lay the blame for their failures on Democrats.)

      We saw the same thing on 9/11/2001.
      Dick Cheney called them "dead enders".

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    30. Democrats who don't respond "Go fuck yourself" to anyone who brings up the deficit, should be impeached.

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    31. National poll: includes the tens of millions of gay and Mexican American "bigots".

      https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1323752032000450570

      https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1323752032000450570

      "What do you suggest?"

      Don't call them bigots. Directly address their concerns re. healthcare, jobs etc.

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    32. So in defending the Democratic establishment, you quote Dick Cheney approvingly and call the working class "failures". This is my whole point.

      You've totally lost the plot.

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    33. "Directly address their concerns re. healthcare, jobs etc."

      So, win them over like Democrats won over rural voters by providing them huge farm subsidies.
      BTW, what percentage of rural voters chose Biden, 90 percent?

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    34. 6:42,
      I hope you are correct that Trump voters are crying out in the darkness for Socialism to save them.
      Let's hope Biden and the Democrats "shove it down their throats", to use the parlance of our time.

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    35. Don't listen to 6:42. The Democrats trying to flip Florida by enticing Cuban/ Columbian-Americans with socialism is a terrible idea. They still blame Castro and Chavez for ruining their former homelands.

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    36. So the answer to whether or not working class Americans feel the current Democratic Party is truly concerned with improving their way of life is that it doesn't matter to the current Democratic Party.

      They could care less and don't even believe working class Americans have legitimate concerns about their way of life.

      And the answer is, no. No, the current Democratic Party will not reflect on their shortcomings and disconnect with a majority of Americans despite barely defeating the worst president in history and losing voters of color and LGBTQ etc. (to a madman)

      And the answer is to shut up and don't complain. Just let the horrendous apparatus that brought slavery to the streets of Libya and drove innocent black men to prison in droves and who sucks the cocks of Wall Street every day, sit back and let them do what they want. Shut up and let them be.

      Thanks for the answers.

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    37. "And the answer is to shut up and don't complain. Just let the horrendous apparatus that brought slavery to the streets of Libya and drove innocent black men to prison in droves and who sucks the cocks of Wall Street every day, sit back and let them do what they want. Shut up and let them be."

      Said no Trump voter ever. Instead, as someone who actually listens to Trump voters, and doesn't just project my feelings about politics on to them, I notice they bitch and moan because they say Biden is a socialist, not the uber-capitalist you claim he is.

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    38. 11:49,
      Give it a rest. The media tried this shtick four years ago, calling it "economic anxiousness". They, and your, claims don't add up, because Trump voters are ignorant of how economics works.

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    39. So, it's not about the economy, stupid. That political calculus changed.

      It's about defending a helpless, noble party from an onslaught of black and gay bigots worried about socialism.

      You're going have a really good time the next decade.

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    40. I get what you mean.
      The Democratic Party is in trouble, because as the nation adds more and more people of color to the voting rolls, Democrats will only get 3 out of every 4 of those votes.
      Sounds scary.

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    41. Trump did not gain in those demos (and why would he, his policies do not support those cohorts), the exit polls were skewed towards Republicans this election because most Dems voted via mail in. If you remove voters motivated by racism and sexism, Republicans would never win an election; this is not news, this has been the Republican strategy for decades, best expressed by leading Republican strategist Lee Atwater:

      "You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger". By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites."

      BLACKS GET HURT WORSE THAN WHITES (Although to be fair the 94 crime bill was supported and voted on by the BLACK CAUCUS)

      The degree to which Dems failed this election was due to procedural issues, not ideology - as AOC pointed out. Persuasion plays no role in electoral politics, it is all about motivation.

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  14. You know who you are. You just lost a presidential election. You lost the midterms. It was an embarrassment. You’ve had 1 black senator in the last 50 years and 1 LGBT if you include Lindsey. So the Democratic Party is hungering for your advice. And, oh yeah, go look up the origins of that job killing treaty NAFTA and whose party majority voted for it when you're through pounding your chest. Being ignorant is no excuse but in your case it’s the only recourse. Just keep that dial tuned to Fox.

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  15. Here is another explanation of Trump's support from black and Latino men (not women, men):

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/525064-juan-williams-too-many-men-of-color-got-conned-by-trump

    Juan Williams blames machismo and rappers, the same qualities that appeal to white men.

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    1. I see. They were all bigots. They didn't have agency like the white bigots though, instead the black bigots got conned. Totally makes sense. ;)

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    2. The GOP has found a new group of ignoramuses to vote for corporate tax breaks.
      That would be a problem for the Democrats, if the Republican Party hadn't been hemorrhaging non-bigots for the last three decades.

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