POTENTIALLY HAPPENING HERE: Mary Trump battles the APA!

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 2020

Plays ball with the MSM: Luckily, we were watching CNN last night when the commander spoke.

When we flipped over to MSNBC, we saw that The One True Liberal Channel wasn't airing the commander's presentation. 

Instead, they had Kornacki before the big board. He was offering the same (accurate) presentation he'd offered about ten million times before on that very day.

This morning, Mika was praising the channels which didn't air the commander's remarks. For ourselves, we were glad we got to see his ridiculous and pitiful breakdown.

Thanks to the invaluable Rev, you can read the transcript and watch the videotape of the commander's address. Also thanks to Rev, you can read the transcript and watch the tape of his early morning meltdown on Election Night—on Wednesday, November 4.

We were glad we got to see the commander last night. What we saw sharpened a basic question:

Is something "wrong with" Donald J. Trump? That is to say, is it possible that the commander in chief is severely impaired, whether on a psychiatric or a cognitive basis?

Stating one part of that concern in a slightly fuzzier way, is Donald Trump "mentally ill?" The fact that this question hasn't been asked by the upper-end press corps is one of the defining markers of this amazingly primitive journalistic era.

(The era began with journalists hiding in the bushes, overnight, to se if Candidate Hart maybe had a girlfriend. The childishness, and the blinding stupidity, continued on from there, not to mention the screaming lack seriousness and the inability to focus)

Let's describe last evening's spectacle in cinematic terms. Last night, as we watched the commander's rambling remarks, we felt we were looking at a punch-drunk Palooka who was basically out on his feet.

To us, it seemed clear that something "was wrong" with the person in question. Others prefer an ancient moral and tribal construction, in which the crafty commander in chief was simply "lying" again.

As the flames of tribal loathing have risen, our tribe has taken delight in accusing Trump of "lies." In doing so, we have persistently cast aside a basic, time-honored point of logic, along with a long-standing, thoroughly intelligent journalistic norm.

Last evening, after the commander spoke, the New York Times played this newer game. Below you see, headline included, the childish tease which appeared near the top of its web site:

Biden urges patience; Trump lies about count

Joe Biden gained ground on President Trump in Georgia and Pennsylvania, but his lead diminished in Arizona.

The Trump team lost court cases in Georgia and Michigan, but had a small win in Pennsylvania.

At the White House, Mr. Trump made a brief statement filled with egregious falsehoods and smears about the election process. Here’s the latest.

From there, the reader could click for updates. That said, please note:

In the body of that tease, the text spoke about the commander's "falsehoods." Desperate for some ardent glory, some editor, in a pleasing headline, turned those egregious falsehoods into "lies."

This morning, the Times has returned to journalistic form. Above its news report about the commander's performance, the Times offers these twin headlines:

In Torrent of Falsehoods, Trump Claims Election Is Being Stolen 
Most television networks cut away from the statement President Trump gave Thursday night from the White House briefing room on the grounds that what he was saying was not true.

This morning's headlines speak of "falsehoods"—of statements which were "not true."

In the report itself, it's said that the commander "appeared on the edge of telling a lie." An earlier, time-honored logic had been restored, with journalists acknowledging the difficulty in knowing when false statements are lies.

For millennia, our ancestors have understood that it's hard to know if a false statement is a lie. That's especially true if the speaker in question—in this case, the commander in chief—may be psychiatrically or cognitively impaired in some serious, perhaps dangerous way.

Is it possible that Donald J. Trump believed the crazy things he was saying last night? We don't know how to score that. We say that because it has seemed to us, for years, that something seems to be "wrong with" this powerful person.

In 2017, Yale psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee tried to start a discussion of this matter. In January 2018, the New York Times editorial board said the discussion must stop.

In July of this year, the commander's niece, Mary L. Trump, took a shot at bringing that discussion back to life. 

A clinical psychologist and a family member, Mary Trump wrote a major best-seller in which she flatly said that Donald Trump's father had been a "sociopath." Concerning her uncle, the commander in chief, Mary Trump offered this:

MARY TRUMP (page 12): In the last three years, I’ve watched as countless pundits, armchair psychologists and journalists have kept missing the mark, using phrases such as "malignant narcissism" and "narcissistic personality disorder" in an attempt to make sense of Donald’s often bizarre and self-defeating behavior. I have no problem calling Donald a narcissist—he meets all nine criteria as outlined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5)—but the label only gets us so far.

[...]

[Clinical] experiences showed me time and again that diagnosis doesn't exist in a vacuum. Does Donald have other symptoms we aren't aware of? Are there other disorders that might have as much or more explanatory power? Maybe. A case could be made that he also meets the criteria for antisocial personality disorder, which in its most severe forms is generally considered sociopathy but can also refer to chronic criminality, arrogance, and disregard for the rights of others...

The fact is, Donald’s pathologies are so complex and his behaviors so often inexplicable that coming up with an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis would require a full battery of psychological and neuropsychological tests that he’ll never sit for. 

From that, it sounds like the commander could be a sociopath too—perhaps a "sociopath-plus." But when Mary Trump appeared on cable TV to promote her massive best-seller, she was rarely asked to discuss her uncle's psychiatric state.

Instead, she tended to discuss her uncle in the same way other pundits do. She tended to criticize the morality of her uncle's behavior, without being asked to discuss the (severe) psychiatric "disorders" which might explain his conduct. 

In our experience, Mary Trump accepted this framework preference every step of the way. This brings us to the very articulate essay she wrote for the Washington Post about the so-called "Goldwater Rule."

As we noted yesterday, the Goldwater Rule was issued, long ago, by the American Psychiatric Association. In her essay for the Post, Mary Trump told it like this:

MARY TRUMP (10/25/20): In 1964, Fact magazine published an unscientific survey asking psychiatrists whether they thought the Republican nominee, Barry Goldwater, was psychologically fit to serve as president of the United States. The problem wasn’t that professionals felt the need to share their views of what they considered Goldwater’s dangerous ideas; [the problem] was the irresponsible and often bizarre analyses that were in some cases based entirely on rank speculation...

Embarrassed, the American Psychiatric Association (APA), in reaction to this debacle, established the “Goldwater Rule,” which barred its members from diagnosing public figures. It concluded that “it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.” That’s fair, as far as it goes. But in March 2017, shortly after my uncle, Donald Trump, was inaugurated, the APA didn’t just reaffirm the rule—it expanded it past the point of coherence. Not only were members prohibited from diagnosing public figures, now they could no longer offer a professional opinion of any sort, no matter how well supported or evidence-based, even if they believed that a public figure posed a threat to the country’s citizens or national security.

In her essay, Mary Trump argued that the APA should rescind its strictures—professional strictures which apply to psychiatrists, not to journalists. She said the APA should let its members speak, in responsible ways, about such significant matters.

In our view, Mary Trump's essay made perfect sense.  The piece was well-reasoned, well-written. Mary L. Trump seems quite sharp.

That said, we noticed something else about Mary Trump's essay. While she challenged the way the APA has limited such public discussion, she said nothing about the way the MSM has fallen in line with the spirit of those professional strictures.

We saw Mary Trump appear on quite a few "cable news" programs. We never saw her asked to discuss her uncle in explicit psychological terms. Nor did we see her try to steer the discussion in that direction.

It may be just as well that these attempts weren't made. In our society's current state of development, we possess a highly primitive "public discourse," one in which almost no serious topic is ever discussed in a competent, serious way.

Our journalists simply don't have the skills, or the inclination, which would allow for serious discussion of serious topics. With chimps like these in charge of the discourse, any attempt to bring psychiatry into the mix would likely have led to disaster. 

That said, we wondered again about the commander's mental state last night. We first asked about the possibility of mental illness in early 2016.

That initial question was triggered by  a very strange set of behaviors on one primary election night. Last night, we wondered if we were looking at a badly disordered person.

Does Donald J. Trump actually believe the very strange things he says? Do his syndromes  make him "dangerous," given the office he holds? If so, in what ways? And to what extent?

When Bandy Lee published her doomed  best-seller, the notion that Trump's disorders made him dangerous was placed right in her title. The New York Times then said we shouldn't discuss that matter, and the guild followed along.

Right through her essay for the Post, Mary Trump has bowed to that consensus. In this way, a major part of press corps culture has remained undisturbed.

Thanks to the press corps' potent code of silence,  what happens in the mainstream press corps stays in the mainstream press corps. We've been telling you that for twenty years. Major anthropologists assure us of one key point:

This primitive, all-too-human practice is never going to change. "This is the way our primitive brains are wired," these major top experts have said.


60 comments:

  1. Wouldn't matter.
    Read the Steve Krukauer piece Cecelia left in yesterday's comments. Telling the truth about Trump isn't working.

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    1. That's right. It doesn't matter whether Trump is crazy or deliberately telling lies. The things he is saying are not the truth -- that is what matters.

      Somerby keeps harping on this point, but it makes no difference why Trump says what he says. The fact of his saying this stuff is dangerous to our democracy. The courts have determined (in Georgia, Michigan and PA) that there is no evidence of fraud. The public needs to be able to believe the results of our election process, one that is so distributed among the states that it is not possible to "rig" an outcome.

      Trump has been rejected and he needs to accept that outcome and concede. Because that is best for our country. His belief that he actually won is dangerous to our nation, regardless of why he believes it.

      Republicans should be recognizing this and coming together with Democrats to convince Trump to stop this behavior. For the good of our country.

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    2. From LGM:

      "It’s a mistake to ask if Trump believes his totally baseless claims about election fraud. Belief has nothing to do with it: Trump is such a hopelessly narcissistic bullshitter that the whole concept of truth is meaningless to him: All he knows and all he needs to know is that he isn’t getting what he wants, and that he’s being humiliated before everyone because he isn’t getting it, and this is the worst thing that has ever happened to anyone."

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    3. Somerby gets all excessively literal about the word "lie", but then gets curiously broad about the word "liberal". He is a mess and is unable to engage in coherent discourse.

      Free will is a fantasy of the religious, the lack of it's existence does not absolve one from responsibility.

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  2. You can’t rid yourself of dissidents altogether, you can only posts caveats on their posts if you run Twitter and Facebook.

    So far, in this country anyway.

    If Biden wins, I’ll criticize what I don’t like from him due to our ideological differences, but I’ll pray for him everyday.

    That may not mean anything to his voters, but it’s the best I’ve got.

    He would be MY president, not just yours and I’ll approach him on that basis. It’s not not rocket science.

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    1. In the words of the Church Lady:

      "Well, isn't that special."

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    2. How sad is it that Facebook (which is run by conservatives) has to post a message on our president's tweets warning readers that he is full of shit!

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    3. Biden has won; prayer does nothing regardless of one's ideology.

      Cecelia's awkward diction is amusing, but there is nothing funny about such a fucking coward.

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    4. What makes you think that your prayers for Biden will be any more effective than they were for Trump? I find this whole “praying for” bit a rather quaint, no matter which side of the aisle it comes from, and I am talking to you, Nancy. The idea that some higher power gives a crap about your prevailing opinion is bizarre. If you believe that God plays a role here, maybe concede that he/she made a very big statement about his/her interest in a second Trump term beginning around February 2020. What, you were expecting locusts? Praying for something like sending Sant Clays your wish list is not cool. I think he/she has a far better head on his/her all knowing shoulders than you can possibly imagine.

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    5. Let’s pray that your prayer for Biden is a bit more effective than were your prayers for Trump. It’s a bit quaint, this praying for someone or thing (on either side of the aisle, and I am talking to you, Nancy) as if you have a Santa’s wish list. Because if you haven’t gotten the message, the almighty he/she sent you one beginning around February 2020 about what he/she thought about the Trump presidency. What, you were expecting locusts? It’s more than a bit fatuous to suggest to the all knowing creator that you have a better idea about how things should turn out. I trust that he/she has a better head on his/her shoulders than a mere mortal whose judgement about what constitutes a leader ain’t great. Wait a minute: the clouds have parted and I am pretty sure that I just heard the booming words: “What the fuck is this chick still bothering me about?”

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  4. Mary Trump is not "battling" the APA. She merely wrote an article in which she disagreed with them. Battling them would involve working from within to change the decision of the APA's governing board. It might mean resigning her membership. She has done nothing to "battle" the APA at all. But that is Somerby's crusade. Mary Trump's crusade is to revise the portrait of her father and rehabilitate his memory.

    Psychiatrists wield a lot of power in our society. They can testify to a court about the sanity of a person and result in that person losing the ability to control their own assets, or even deny them their personal freedom by having them confined to an institution. It matters that the things psychiatrists say be based on solid evaluation of a person, and not be based on opinion, hearsay, media complaints, or other non-evidence outside of a person's own behavior.

    In the past, psychiatrists abused their roles in order to collude with families to have relatives locked up and deprived of rights against their will. Women were routinely locked up for disobeying husbands and fathers. Fortunes were wrested from patriarchs by greedy children. People were locked up and lobotomized or sterilized for engaging in non-normative behavior (such as romantic involvement with members of other races, promiscuous sex, drunkenness, or failure to pay bills). Children were taken away from parents. These are serious consequences and the profession decided that psychiatrists should only offer professional consultation based on thorough examination of a client. It is right that the APA takes this duty seriously. A politician should not be hounded out of office on the second-hand opinion of a mental health professional, any more than any of these other undesirable outcomes.

    Somerby needs to grow up and learn something about this, and stop treating Trump as if he were not responsible for his own actions. Mary Trump has a huge axe to grind. Somerby has never discussed her reasons for writing what she has about Trump.

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  5. The election is over and Trump will be gone soon. There is no reason to worry about whether he is crazy or venal. Who cares?

    According to Palmer Report, there are three legitimate media narratives today:

    "The three legitimate media narratives for today: 1) Joe Biden is going to be President with a clear and decisive victory. 2) Kamala Harris is going to be Vice President, in a major historic development that begins to heal centuries of sexism and racism in America. 3) Donald Trump lost in a blowout, as the clear majority of Americans have decided to reject Trumpism and move on from it. Any other narratives are essentially fictional."

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    1. A minor quibble: insanity IS a defense to criminal mens rea. If he's charged with crimes - and he should be - I hope Somerby's not a juror.

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  6. " "This is the way our primitive brains are wired," these major top experts have said."

    My theory is that Somerby's brain isn't wired at all.

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  7. “Any other narratives are essentially fictional."

    MORE freaking matching orders. To your own people.

    sheesh




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    1. Cecelia, can't you read? He is talking about press narratives. Media narratives. Not saying anything to the people, mine or anyone else's.

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    2. To respond to a specific comment, click the Reply below that comment. It will make it easier for people to understand who you are addressing, Cecelia. Also, it is polite to do it that way.

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    3. "Cecilia, can't you read?"

      She's too busy praying for Joe Biden.

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    4. She don't write too well, ain't likely to read too well neither.

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  8. Rude Pundit deals with why the polls were so wrong and with craziness, but not Trump's, the craziness of his supporters (don't read past this point if you dislike expletives and crass images):

    "1. Trump voters are fucking crazy. Who the fuck votes for a president who is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans on American soil and who is directly responsible for mass economic misery, including, but not limited to, homelessness, hunger, and lack of health care? It's like standing on the smoking ruins of your house, looking at the burnt body of your dog that was fucked to death before being left in the fire, and saying, "You know that arsonist who fucked my dog to death? I like how he hates immigrants. I'm gonna tell him he can marry my daughter." Who does that shit? Crazy people. Delusional people.

    1a. You wanna shorthand reason why the polls were so very wrong? There it is: you can't poll crazy."

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  9. Jake Tapper tweeted:

    "An email obtained by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel sent at 5:19 p.m. Thursday by Kenosha for Trump reads: "Trump Victory urgently needs volunteers to make phone calls to Pennsylvania Trump supporters to return their absentee ballots."

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    Note that Thursday is two days after election day.

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  10. “our tribe has taken delight in accusing Trump of "lies."”

    Somerby hasn’t even paid attention to his own expert:

    “Why Trump lies, and why you should care”

    By Leonard L. Glass and Bandy X. Lee
    January 17, 2019, 11:18 a.m.
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2019/01/17/why-trump-lies-and-why-you-should-care/1GY6VJ9wB12dYvzpPfGPeL/story.html

    The first sentence in the article is:
    “The fact that President Trump lies multiple times a day has become inescapably obvious to all but his most blinkered supporters.”

    So, only psychiatrists get to call Trump a liar?

    Somerby is a fool.

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  11. Bob, surely you remember the early 2000s when most of the people of this country became psychopaths and enthusiastically supported a war crime? US judges at Nuremberg hung people for that crime of attacking another country that did not attack you (starting a war). It's a war crime under the UN Charter, which we signed. So how can you be shocked that 47% of Americans today worship a psychopath?

    And don't expect to see Trump serving prison time since our laws are written by people like Trump to protect deception and scheming by our wealthiest sociopaths. And don't expect this country's smartest people to start a discussion of the fact that a near majority of its people are ethical monsters and are proud of it. It certainly won't be discussed in our corporate-owned (inherently psychopathic) and highly profitable mass media.

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    1. EverybodyinPortlandNovember 6, 2020 at 4:33 PM

      "... when most of the people of this country ... supported a war crime?"

      Yet another zombie myth.

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    2. Gloucon has an agenda that does not coincide with Dems. Here, we shrug him off as a gnat.

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  12. I am seeing at several liberal websites that the bloggers are afraid of right-wing violence. There have already been some people arrested for attempting to attack vote counting sites. I believe that responsible Republicans should be trying to calm the irate Trump supporters and especially those organizations eager to attack others (using guns, not words). The threat of violence was used for voter suppression but now it appears that violence may be used out of frustration or to provoke (unrealistically) a new civil war. I don't see Republicans doing anything to calm their voters and assure a peaceful transition.

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  13. “This morning, Mika was praising the channels which didn't air the commander's remarks. For ourselves, we were glad we got to see his ridiculous and pitiful breakdown.”

    Last spring, Somerby was mad when CNN and MSNBC did decide to air Trump’s ridiculous and pitiful Coronavirus briefings.

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    1. The danger in airing the president's message is that if you didn't know it was full of lies, it might sound reasonable and sound like the president has a legitimate grievance. The audience needs to know that he was not telling the truth.

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    2. You need to decide whether to air something based on what is in the public interest. Those corona virus briefings were giving bad advice that could harm people's health. Similarly, airing a speech in which the president pretends he has won the election but is being robbed of legal votes, is not good for the viewers. It will make them confused at best and angry if they believe the president. The media has a duty to its viewers not to engage in irresponsible presentation of false information that will worsen political tensions. It is a responsibility akin to not shouting fire in a theater, where public safety outweighs freedom of speech.

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  14. Over at conservative websites, commenters seem to believe that if Trump does not concede then he has not lost. They also believe there has been fraud. One reason is that Biden received more votes than Obama in certain Philadelphia districts. They see the sheer increase in people voting in this election as an indicator of fraud. They are very excited about what they think is happening.

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    1. They seem to believe the Supreme Court is going to give the presidency to Trump.

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  15. "Yeah, right -- we're stealing the presidential election, but I guess we just forgot to steal the Senate races in Maine, Iowa, South Carolina, and Montana. How could we have been so careless? We had all these fake ballots and somehow we forgot the ones that were supposed to dethrone Mitch McConnell! Or the ones that were supposed to flip legislative chambers in Texas, North Carolina, Iowa, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. What the hell were we thinking?

    We're the most evil criminal masterminds in the history of American politics, but in kind of a half-assed way, I guess."

    No More Mister Nice Blog

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  16. Was there massive fraud in the election? Would Trump have won an honest election? The answer is obvious: We don't know. Without looking at all the alleged evidence of fraud, we can't even make an educated guess.

    I am a bit frightened in the way my fellow citizens have been led to believe not only that there was no significant fraud, but that there's something wrong with anyone who disagrees.

    I recall a similar dynamic years ago when there was a release of a bunch of secret e-mails regarding global warming research. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

    People were persuaded that the e-mails revealed no significant wrong-doing, even though the opinion leaders hadn't read the e-mails or carefully checked the ones that implied possible wrong-doing. Somehow it immediately became the case that all right-thinking people knew that there was no real scandal there.

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    1. Three different state courts have determined that there is no evidence of fraud and dismissed Trump's lawsuits.

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    2. Frightened Imbecile in CANovember 6, 2020 at 3:47 PM

      I'm a little bit frightened by ideas that I pull out of my ass. Why won't anyone investigate my foolish made up bullshit. What are they afraid of?

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    3. "Anything is possible; nothing is true," say Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump and David in Cal.

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    4. I’ve seen a fair number of your posts over time and have felt that some commenters were overly harsh in their responses to your comments but you have just jumped the shark here and have self labeled as a partisan idiot. If the shoe was on the other foot you wouldn’t be making such corrupt statements. There is zero evidence of fraud the magnitude that would give Biden tens of thousands of excess votes in these key states. But go ahead and keep your lawn signs up for a few more days. Or longer, depending on just how much of a Trump zombie you are.

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