ACHAEANS: Are we all Achaeans now?

WEDNESDAY, MAY 8, 2024

In one key respect, we aren't: At the start of this week, we raised a pair of award-winning questions concerning those of us who live in present-day Blue America.

Regarding November's election, we raised this awkward question:

Have we possibly "earned our way out" through some aspects of our behavior?  

With regard to that possibility, we raised this related, as yet unspecified question: 

Are we all Achaeans now?

Are we all Achaeans now?  And what do we even mean by that peculiar question?

Tomorrow, we'll start to explore the behaviors within our own Blue America which have called that question to mind. For today, let's examine one basic way in which the "thought leaders" of our own Blue nation have been falling short of the behaviors put on display by the Achaeans who are alleged to have walked the earth during the late Bronze Age.

We return at this point to the western world's first, famous poem of war. In the Iliad's fast-moving Book One, the Achaeans (the Argives, the Mycenaeans, the Greeks) are in the tenth year of their violent siege of Troy.

They're conducting that siege for one reason only. As a matter of basic anthropology, we'll turn to that topic tomorrow.

As the Achaeans conduct their deadly siege, their conduct is constantly driven by rage. That said, please understand this:

On the opposite, far side of Europe. the Magna Carta was still two millennia away!

What the heck was the Magna Carta? We can tell you this:

As we noted yesterday, Agamemnon, lord of men, ruled the Achaeans (in effect) by the divine right of kings. Despite his frequent emotional meltdowns, Agamemnon carried the royal scepter which had come to him through a long line of descent, a line of descent which had started on Olympus with Zeus himself.

Deference to the divine right of kings is a basic part of human mental history. In 1215, on the far western end of Europe, a group of rebel barons cut into the reign of that ancient impulse. The leading authority on that topic starts to explain:

Magna Carta

Magna Carta Libertatum (Medieval Latin for "Great Charter of Freedoms"), commonly called Magna Carta or sometimes Magna Charta, is a royal charter of rights agreed to by King John of England at Runnymede, near Windsor, on 15 June 1215. 

First drafted by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Cardinal Stephen Langton, to make peace between the unpopular king and a group of rebel barons, it promised the protection of church rights, protection for the barons from illegal imprisonment, access to swift and impartial justice, and limitations on feudal payments to the Crown, to be implemented through a council of 25 barons. Neither side stood by their commitments, and the charter was annulled by Pope Innocent III, leading to the First Barons' War.

We note that this royal charter of rights protected barons against illegal imprisonment. It would seem that it offered no such protection to anyone else. 

Still, the charter codified a limitation of the monarch's absolute power. After everyone broke their commitments, the sacred isle was subjected to the events of First Barons' War.

Whatever! The Magna Carta was still two millennia away as the Argives (the Achaeans) fought on the  plains outside Troy by day, then conducted their wartime councils by night.  And to their credit, understand this:

Agamemnon may have held the royal scepter. But he was subjected to scathing criticism during those nighttime assemblies.

Agamemnon held the royal scepter, but lesser chieftains were prepared to dispute his actions and views. Consider:

In Book Nine of the deathless war poem, Agamemnon has melted down again. He has said that the Argives should abandon their plan to take Troy and should sail for home instead. 

Agamemnon (AKA Atrides) had melted down again. He was the anointed successor to Zeus (AKA the son of Cronus), but a lesser chieftain dissented:

Silence held them all, struck dumb by his orders.
A long while they said nothing, spirits dashed.
Finally Diomedes lord of the war cry broke forth:
"Atrides—I will be first to oppose you in your folly,
here in assembly, King, where it's the custom.
Spare me your anger. My courage—
mine was the first you mocked among the Argives.
branding me a coward, a poor soldier. Yes, well,
they know all about that, the Argives young and old.
But you—the son of Cronus with Cronus' twisting ways
gave you gifts by halves: with that royal scepter
the Father gave you honor beyond all other men alive
but he never gave you courage, the greatest power of all...

Oof! The headstrong young lord of the war cry had risen to savage his king. At this point, Nestor scrambles to his feet to offer his standard good, sound advice, with which he saves the day.

Diomedes was willing to challenge the acknowledged lord of men. In Book One, the Iliad quickly describes another night-time assembly. In this instance, it's Achilles who voices his rage against the Argive monarch:

But Achilles rounded on Agamemnon once again,
lashing out at him. not relaxing his anger for a moment:
"Staggering drunk, with your dog's eyes, your fawn's heart!
Never once did you arm with the troops and go to battle
or risk an ambush packed with Achaea's picked men—
you lack the courage, you can see death coming.
Safer by far, you find, to foray all through camp,
commandeering the prize of any man who speaks against you.
King who devours his people! Worthless husks, the men you rule—
if not, Atrides, this outrage would have been your last."

Tomorrow, we'll start to examine the alleged "outrage" which has triggered Achilles' vast rage. But Achilles continues his furious dissent, holding the scepter which lets him speak in assembly:

This scepter will be the mighty force behind my oath:
someday, I swear, a yearning for AchiIles will strike
Achaea's sons and all your armies! But then, Atrides,
harrowed as you will be, nothing you do can save you

not when your hordes of fighters drop and die,
cut down by the hands of man-killing Hector! Then

then you will tear your heart out, desperate, raging
that you disgraced the best of the Achaeansl"
Down on the ground
he dashed the scepter studded bright with golden nails,
then took his seat again. The son of Atreus smoldered,
glaring across at him, but Nestor rose between them,
the man of winning words, the clear speaker of Pylos...

Nestor saves the day again, but Achilles has angrily said that he'll fight no more forever. As we explained yesterday, he held the less powerful scepter—the scepter studded bright with golden nails which gave a chieftain permission to speak—as he denounced the lord of men.

Thousands of years before the Magna Carta, Agamemnon held the royal scepter--but he was subject to rebuke and challenge by the lesser Argive chieftains. In thissense, the Argives were practicing an early form of democracy--a form or democracy which has keeled over and died within the withered thought leaders of our own Blue America.

They embarrassed themselves on cable last night, then again this very morning. Within their own withered night-time councils, they agree to repeat our tribe's standard claims, with this memorized motto emblazoned on our Blue nation's coat of arms:

That's exactly right!

Our thought leaders are paid by their corporate owners. They're paid extremely well. As a general matter, you aren't allowed to know how much.

They know they must go on the TV machine and tell us the stories we like. The "thought leaders" who crowd Red America's stages behave the same way. Frequently, though not always, their behavior is even dumber and worse.

Tomorrow, we'll move ahead to the question of motive, where we're all Achaeans now. But before we move on in that way, we wanted to assure you of this:

In this one major way, the lunatic men who laid siege to Troy were our moral and intellectual betters. They weren't willing to take dictation, not even from the lord of men. 

The lord of men held the royal scepter. It had come to him from Zeus himself.

Despite that fact, lesser chieftains were prepared to rise in council and state their actual views. Our cable stars know that they mustn't do that. None of them rise to the level of being Achaeans now.

Tomorrow: Why these crackpots sailed


90 comments:

  1. Lesley Hazleton has died.

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  2. Now that Curb Your Enthusiasm has ended, those of us who enjoy cringe TV are forced to watch MSNBC. What an asylum of mental illness, estrogen poisoning, and low IQ which is also sadly the state of the Democrat party.

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    1. It's funny, because Republicans want women to be second-class citizens.

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    2. Among the Achaeans, women were objects to be owned, stolen, used. They are not the leaders or decision makers or soldiers. In contrast, the women on MSNBC are experts, coequal hosts of shows, important participants in public news reporting with stature and respect (at least among those who are not Somerby). That is a huge difference between us and Troy or the guys on the beach outside it.

      In this upcoming election, women will play a large role as we switch from Trump (who is a sleazy womanizer) to Biden (who is upholding women's right to autonomy over their own bodies). Woman will make the difference when Biden wins and there is nothing Trump can do about it while the nation is hearing Stormy Daniels tell everyone the story Trump tried desperately to suppress in 2016.

      Women vote now. Somerby may yearn for the Achaean good old days, but they are long gone, if they ever existed at all. And we have laws now to put away bad guys like Trump, unlike the poor Achaeans, who made up stories about ruthless gods to salve the wounds inflicted by capricious male leaders with sceptres. Trump is not only going to lose, but he is going to jail for his crimes.

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    3. I just don't see how a political party can run a candidate for president who is:
      1. the most unpopular president of all time
      2. eighty
      3. a corporate shill
      4. can barely give interviews or read teleprompter

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    4. 1. Look at Biden's popular vote count in the last election.
      2. He is not 80, he is now 82. But he is in good health and his mind is sound, so the age doesn't matter as much as his performance.
      3. All presidents are corporate shills to some extent because corporations are part of our economy. Biden is not supported by billionaires and did not give corporate favors to the rich, like Trump did.
      4. Biden gives interviews and reads the teleprompter fine, much better than Trump does. Go watch his State of the Union speech.

      These troll and bot propaganda comments are a form of disinformation because they consist of lies and have nothing to do with what other commenters are discussing or what Somerby says in his essays. They are like spam.

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    5. Biden's age and overwhelming unpopularity are salient issues. He is unpopular and he is not of sound mind. So it's a mistake for him to even be running.

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    6. If Trump is so bad, why are Democrats running such a weak candidate against him?

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    7. My sympathies, Trumper cope is no fun.

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    8. I can't believe Biden is 82. It's crazy to run a man to be president for the next 4 years who is that old. 82! And we're supposed to think he's going to effectively lead our country when he's 86? That's not smart to assume that's a good idea.

      But the plan is just to pretend like it's not insane because Trump is so bad? It's a very strange political proposition for people.

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    9. I can't believe you are a functioning human that is this desperate to cope with the emotions of Biden beating Trump.

      Go outside, take a walk, breathe the air, appreciate the beauty of nature.

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    10. I'm concerned about Trump beating Biden.

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    11. (Because of Biden's weakness as a candidate.)

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    12. I am concerned about your mental and emotional state, which seems unstable.

      Vote for Biden if you want to, more power to you, maybe you will feel better then.

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    13. In our system, we always vote for both a president and a vice president. We also have a line of succession that states who would take over if the VP were MIA. There have been several times when the VP became president when the elected president died in office.

      Yes, Biden is old, but that doesn't mean he is ill or incapacitated or disabled. He is healthy, sharp, and doing a good job in office by all evidence of his performance. If he becomes unable to function, we have Kamala Harris, who has a strong record in office as Attorney General of California and then a US Senator. She can and will step in if anything bad happens to Biden.

      In head to head polling that tested each of the Democratic party candidates in a hypothetical race against Trump, Kamala Harris came in 2nd to Biden. That means she is a strong candidate in her own right and the choice of the majority of the voters, not just a legacy on Biden's ticket. And she is in her 50s.

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    14. 82 is old af.

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    15. Anonymouse 11:06pm, and don’t forget the most liberating current day facilitation for women. They can also have male genitalia and hormones, denser muscle fiber, larger musculature longer arms, and wider and longer feet.

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    16. Among animals, particularly primates, humans actually have relatively low sexual dimorphism, which has played a role in evolving our innate egalitarian nature.

      Gender is a social construct, one with little utility outside of identifying cohorts suffering from oppression.

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    17. You have a funny way of coping with your low sexual dimorphism.

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    18. Trump is old af, and smells really bad.

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    19. That's the piece of shit stuck to your upper lip. Cope with it.

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    20. Much obliged.

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    21. Cecelia has long arms.

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    22. With my small penis, I knew I could never be president, and that troubled me for years, but now that I've reached 88, I don't much care anymore. Better things to do, like acclimating to my new walker. Have to really watch that booger; it's got 4 wheels and a mind almost as quick and agile as me.

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    23. 11:23,
      Per the Right, he's both "a corporate shill" AND an avowed Communist.
      if that seems weird to you, have your bosses bullshit you with their gibberish about it.

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    24. Anyone who is not a Soros-bot is "the Right" to Soros-bots.

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    25. Anyone who uses the term "estrogen poisoning" is obviously a raging misogynist who can go F themself.

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  3. We are like the Achaeans, something something divine right of kings, hush money trial, but we are also not like the Achaeans, because the guests on MSNBC shows all agree with each other.

    Makes sense.

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  4. https://www.publicnotice.co/p/stormy-daniels-testimony-trump-access-hollywood

    Here is a good summary of the testimony by Stormy Daniels yesterday and its implications.

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  5. Trump is on vacation from court today, so why shouldn't Somerby take a vacation too?

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  6. If we in the blue tribe are the Achaeans, who is our Agamemnon supposed to be?

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  7. Somerby is selling the Magna Carta short. A brief time spent with Google tells us:

    "The Magna Carta, or “Great Charter,” was arguably the most significant early influence on the extensive historical process that led to the rule of constitutional law today in the English-speaking world.

    In 1215, after King John of England violated a number of ancient laws and customs by which England had been governed, his subjects forced him to sign the Magna Carta, which enumerates what later came to be thought of as human rights. Among them was the right of the church to be free from governmental interference, the rights of all free citizens to own and inherit property and to be protected from excessive taxes. It established the right of widows who owned property to choose not to remarry, and established principles of due process and equality before the law. It also contained provisions forbidding bribery and official misconduct.

    Widely viewed as one of the most important legal documents in the development of modern democracy, the Magna Carta was a crucial turning point in the struggle to establish freedom."

    https://www.humanrights.com/what-are-human-rights/brief-history/magna-carta.html#:~:text=The%20Magna%20Carta%20(1215)&text=Among%20them%20was%20the%20right,be%20protected%20from%20excessive%20taxes.

    Nothing about barons.

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  8. The Achaeans were ultimately victorious against the Trojans. So, is it good to be the Achaeans?

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    1. We have only Homer's word for this, and he wrote long afterward. We don't know whether that is why Troy fell or not, or even who won (if there was any such battle). That's why this exercise in mental masturbation by Somerby is such a waste of everyone's time. He is analyzing fiction and calling it truth.

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  9. How does a judge deal with a person who tells lies the way Trump does? Here is how Merchan is doing it:

    https://www.rawstory.com/judge-merchan-trump-lies/

    "In a recent column for MSNBC, lawyer and diplomat Norman Eisen — the former impeachment counsel to the House Judiciary Committee — along with former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade and Samara Angel of the Brookings Institution broke down how Merchan has decided to respond to the former president's false claims about his gag order. The authors noted that Merchan did three things to deftly redirect the court's attention away from Trump's claims, reinforce the truth and "offered the dozens of journalists in the courtroom some pointers on how to deal with Trump’s incessant lies."

    "First, he reaffirmed the law: 'I want to stress to Mr. Trump: You have an absolute right to testify at trial.' Next, the judge did not quote or even paraphrase Trump’s falsehood, which would have risked amplifying it and spreading it further. Instead, he focused on the truth, noting correctly that the gag order has nothing to do with his testimony," Eisen, McQuade and Angel wrote.

    "Finally, the judge made his remarks in an even-tempered fashion that maintained order in the proceedings. Disinformation is designed to inflame emotions, but Merchan refused to take the bait," they added. "The judge then moved on matter-of-factly to decide other routine evidentiary matters before the court, ruling in Trump’s favor on one of them — further proof that he had been unaffected by the disinformation."

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    1. Despite all this Trump is polling higher than Biden on handling the economy.

      There are lots of factors for Biden's unpopularity. His focus on unpopular subjects and pandering to certain voter groups has contributed to it. His agenda is influenced by out of touch progressive activists rather than the concerns of the majority of voters.

      Still, Biden has a good chance to win if he can get voters to come out to the polls.

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    2. The polls have been shifting to Biden, but their utility is limited.

      Either candidate can win, we hold elections where people actually vote; speculation and handwringing are the arenas for grifters and/or the bored and/or those coping with a bad candidate like the one currently indicted with various crimes.

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    3. According to analysts, Biden is doing poorly in the polls compared to his achievements because most people have checked out and are not following the election at all. They are also not paying attention to Trump's trials and other problems. When you look at polls of likely voters Biden's numbers improve greatly.

      As the election date approaches, voters will start paying attention and campaign ads will help them identify Biden's strengths and Trump's weaknesses. Already, Biden's polling is improving and that trend will increase over the next months until the election.

      There is work to be done, but most experts are not worried that Trump will win. Republicans are in disarray, the RNC is broke, Trump is not campaigning in a way that will attract anyone but extreme MAGA supporters, and he is unable to campaign effectively. Factor in his dementia and he has no chance once voters start paying attention.

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    4. Cope, 12:30 PM

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    5. I feel your pain.

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    6. "His agenda is influenced by out of touch progressive activists rather than the concerns of the majority of voters."
      "progressive activists"?
      I thought he was "a corporate shill".

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    7. Biden is losing support from politically moderate minority voters, particularly lower-middle-class Hispanics and African Americans, who are becoming more culturally distant from the liberal establishment.

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    8. That's because Biden is a communist, and a corporate shill, per people who are paid to write nonsense.

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  10. My stockpiles of delicious word-salads are endless. What an asshole Somerby is. My fingers smell funny.

    I am Corby.

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  11. Considering that Somerby thinks monarchies are bred in the bone, why don't more countries have them? Out of 195 countries in the world, there are only 43 countries with monarchies (14 under England):

    "In addition to in Europe, monarchies can be found in the Caribbean, Africa, the Middle East and Asia. Many date back to the British Empire, and the British king is still the head of state in 14 countries outside Europe — including Canada and Australia."

    The lack of monarchy or any kind of absolute ruler in the US makes Somerby's references to the Iliad even less applicable. Instead of arguing that all the world loves a monarchy because it is born to us, Somerby needs to stop playing his readers with such gibberish.

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    1. Perhaps Somerby is writing this stuff to prepare us for Trump's ascendancy to the throne. Or perhaps Somerby is as bonkers as the rest of the right wing.

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    2. Trump doesn't deserve to be elected and Biden deserves to be defeated. An unknown candidate with adequate qualifications would defeat either of them

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    3. David, this is untrue. During the Democratic primaries, Biden defeated a number of other, younger candidates with "adequate qualifications". This year, in polling that compared Biden to a variety of alternative candidates, Biden did the best in a hypothetical race against Trump. Kamala Harris came in second. So, this idea that some other Democrat would do better than Biden is not supported by evidence. It is just another version of the right wing meme that Biden is disliked, an idea contradicted by the overwhelming popular vote Biden won in the last election.

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    4. Biden presents himself very poorly these days. It's odd to be asked to support a senior citizen who is clearly not up for the job, even if you like him.

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    5. I like Biden but am not going to vote for him. He is too old and not up for the task. I'm doing him a favor.

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    6. Trump just limped out of Indiana against someone who has been out of the race for months getting close to 22%.

      Oof!

      Meanwhile, Dems are outperforming in their races, and Biden is probably our best president since FDR, with the economy booming and crime is down. America has a long way to go to undo the harm of the last 55 years, but we are healthier and wealthier than we have been in a while, largely thanks to the Biden admin.

      The Republican cope is funny to observe, though.

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    7. Well ... not healthier. And not wealthier unless you are in a tiny fraction of elites. We are not healthier and wealthier than we have been in a while. I don't know if that is largely thanks to the Biden admin but he seems too old.

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    8. 12:07 is correct, we are healthier and wealthier under Biden than under Trump.

      I see you seething away to cope with this. Sorry, bro.

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    9. Cope with what?

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    10. Cope with you emotionally struggling with Biden defeating Trump.

      Peace will come when you come to terms with your pernicious urges.

      Good luck!

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    11. My concern the exact opposite.

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    12. I see him as a horrible candidate that increases Trump's chances. I know you see him as one of the greatest presidents ever who is sharp as a tack. Maybe you're right but I don't think so. I think we're going to lose to Trump because of Biden's weaknesses.

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    13. Then Biden will appreciate your vote.

      All the more meaningful, since you would be voting to stop Trump, you will feel empowered and will have helped the country progress, like it has for the last four years.

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    14. I don't vote.

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    15. No one does.

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    16. Biden appreciates your efforts in defeating Trump.

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    17. DiC, Biden deserves two more terms just for all the shit he had to put with from the dumpster fire republican controlled congress. Go fuck yourself, Dickhead in Cal.

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    18. 12:34,
      I feared that Biden was way too far left and was giving all of our money to illegal immigrants and trans people. At the same time, I feared that Biden was a corporate shill, who was rigging the economy in favor of corporations and the rich.
      I calmed myself by ignoring Right-wing trolls. You should try it, and see if it works for you.

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    19. If Biden deserves two more terms for all the shit he had to put up with, then Trump deserves 2 thousand more terms.

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    20. To be served non-concurrently.

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  12. "ACHAEANS: Are we all Achaeans now?"

    Some of us don't want to be Achaeans (aka Greeks). We are happy being Americans.

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    1. Cope with being Greek.

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    2. White supremacists have a fascination with other historical periods (such as medieval times and ancient Rome) and try to cherrypick aspects of history to support their extremist views.

      Somerby's emphasis on the Iliad is a shout out to the far right and the bros who find this stuff confirmation of their bizarre philosophical beliefs. Somerby said as much a few weeks ago, but I have forgotten the name of the blogger he mentioned. These posts about Achaeans isn't aimed at us but at that fringe subculture on the right, the equivalent of Q-Anon believers except they are manosphere deviants and wannabe Nazis.

      And no, we are mostly not Achaeans now.

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    3. Cope with it.

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    4. Every Republican accusation is a confession.

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    5. Cope with it.

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  13. Should I buy Top Tier fuel for my car?

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    1. Yes. It keeps your engine clean for better performance, lower emissions, and a longer life.

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  14. A Freudian might say that Somerby's fascination with the Achaean sceptre is symbolic of something else with a similar shape, that men like to rub between their hands. Symbolic, like Trump's extra long ties. Something men equate with power but that doesn't really confer it. Something men go to war to compensate for lacking.

    Too bad Somerby doesn't actually think about his analogies. This fascination with Greeks is just embarrassing in what it reveals about Somerby's psyche.

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    1. Anonymouse 11:19am, Agamemnon wielded a scepter from Zeus and his brave Achaean fighters never fail to give him a down the road to the point of calling him a coward.

      On the other hand… if there is a “company man”, “party toady”, and “partisan hack”, it’s anonymices.

      Anonymices are the ultimate suck ups to party ideology and power.

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    2. lol, this cope is hilarious, and check out that first sentence!

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    3. What is a “down the road”?

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  15. Trump's willingness to have unprotected sex with women he meets in casual situations, as he did with Stormy Daniels, suggests he doesn't actually have germaphobia, as has been suggested by some of his staff. Further, Trump apparently did not avoid shaking hands with world leaders or with Rhona Graff at his trial this week.

    "The Washington Post reported that "Trump has a habit of sharing awkward, intense and sometimes downright strange handshakes with world leaders and U.S. officials",[3] and world leaders prepare themselves to counteract the handshake from Trump.[4][5][6] The Guardian said that Trump's handshake style is a way to assert his superiority,[7] and New Statesman called it a show of masculinity.[8] Psychology professor Florin Dolcos found it to be part of Trump's strategic way of interacting with world leaders.[5]"

    I think it is more likely about dominance, given that he considers handshakes to be symbolic, and not fear of germs. I don't see any of the cleansing or avoidance behaviors in Trump that would be evident in an actual germaphobe. There doesn't seem to be anxiety associated with it for him.

    Trump's bizarre eating habits, according to Bandy Lee, reflect paranoia not anxiety (phobia). He is worried about being poisoned or having fruit thrown at him. Paranoia is a whole different mental health issue than phobia.

    Says Bandy Lee: "The ongoing fear of being poisoned would be indicative of a more general paranoid tendency he has, which is why he has to ask for loyalty from all and to practice nepotism rather than hire competent help — or not to hire at all. He also believes there is a "deep state" on a "witch hunt" against him. Paranoia can be a measure of severity of mental compromise."

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    1. You need to learn to cope better, 11:41 AM.

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  16. Sounds like Soros-bots learned a new word today.

    Congratulations, Soros-bots.

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  17. The Classics are a hoax.

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  18. "Noun. cope (plural copes) (incel slang) A coping mechanism or self-delusion one clings to in order to endure a hopeless situation."

    Note that this term comes from incel slang. The incels are young men who call themselves "involuntarily celibate" and have their own delusional system in which they believe several ugly things:

    1. Women are at their prime as early teens because they are unspoiled by other men, more easily trained, and fertile and attractive.
    2. Women are shallow and self-involved and throw themselves at Chads (attractive alpha males) and black men based on their looks.
    3. Because women choose based on looks, men who are not classically handsome (square jawed, six-pack) do not have a chance with them, so there is an imbalance in the access to women that is unfair to those who are less handsome.
    4. This unfair imbalance should be changed by requiring women to consider a wider range of choices, or by assigning women to be with men.
    5. Speculation on incel websites includes legitimizing rape, trashing women who are older or who have more than one sexual partner, complaining that feminism has made women too independent and spoiled them, etc.
    6. Some incels have committed mass shootings and have been discussed as heroes in the incel community online.
    7. Jordan Peterson is a guru of this group.
    8. There is an extreme distrust and dislike of women among them.

    There is overlap between incels, white supremacists (who believe their role is to protect white womanhood and traditional gender roles), Christian nationalists who want women to be tradwives, and the men's rights manosphere. While Somerby does not use their jargon or explicitly support their views, he does occasionally express the distrust of women and the dislike of successful women, especially female journalists, professors, and those with expertise.

    When Somerby is being coy and does not express his views directly, I suspect he may be covering up beliefs he knows would mark him as a fringe extremist when it comes to certain things. Being "not a liberal" may not be the full extent of his defection to the right. Just as there are right wing trolls here to defend him, there are occasionally men's rights extremists here in the comments, telling women to get back into the kitchen, calling female commenters names (not Cecelia), and making extreme statements on abortion rights.

    So, this new vocabulary "cope" which is listed as incel slang may arise from one of the fellow travelers Somerby attracts when he says something that catches their attention.

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  19. TDH is using the Iliad as a device to somehow explain the current political predicament. I don't get it. The parallels are really thin, if existent at all. Maybe he decided to read the Iliad - good for him - but he goes on and on about it trying to make some weak point. I doubt anyone enjoys his use of snippets from the epic, highlighting certain words, with no apparent logic. TDH has his quirks, like going on about how bent out of shape he gets about books that purport to explain advanced physics to lay persons, but fail to succeed in doing that, at least with TDH. TDH has been doing this blog for years, without financial recompense and most of the time provides welcome, clear, and rational analysis (while attracting a small cadre of fanatically irrational critics) - but his focus on the Iliad like he is doing now detracts from any points he wants to make about the present political and legal goings on.

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  20. Quaker in a BasementMay 8, 2024 at 2:42 PM

    Our Host appears to designate news persenters as our "thought leaders." Perhaps he should broaden his contacts with the larger world. The people who appear behind the glassy frame of our televisions were, until very recently, derided widely as mere "talking heads." Their jobs exist only to hold an audience's attention between pitches for car insurance and various refreshments of dubious nutritional value.

    Why on earth would anyone look to these folks as thought leaders?

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    1. Because they are part of a revolving door that includes the messaging arms of the highest levels of power. They are sometimes literally spokesmen for the highest levels of power that go directly from working in the White House to their jobs on cable. They are not innocent talking heads. They are put there to influence thoughts. Wtf?

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    2. Cable news channels have puny reach numbers.

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