SUNDAY: How many outsiders were arrested?

SUNDAY, MAY 5, 2024

The New York Times doesn't seem sure: For starters, we strongly agree with Nia Prater concerning one basic point.

Last week, Prater began writing for New York magazine about the arrests by the NYPD at Columbia University.

On Wednesday, she did an initial post on the subject. On Thursday, it was updated

For starters, we agree with the general thrust of the observation with which Prater closed her piece. In this passage, she's speaking about a term of art employed by Mayor Adamas and by the NYPD:

The term outside agitator is notably fraught: It was frequently deployed by authorities to undermine civil-rights protests in the 1960s. And in 2020, New York’s then-police commissioner Dermot Shea used the term to justify harsh police crackdowns on social-justice demonstrators in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

"Outside agitators" were in the house! Like Prater, we'd been struck by the oddness of the adoption of that heavily fraught old term.

(For the record, we'd been struck by the way the term was being used by journalists, principally by the Morning Joe team.)

According to Mayor Adams, "outside agitators" had been in the house! In our view, that term has a terrible, murder-soaked history. It ought to be laid to rest.

In our view, Prater's aim was true concerning the use of that term. That said, Prater was mainly examining a different question:

How many people who got arrested at Columbia weren't affiliated with the university?

Prater seemed to be a hard sceptic concerning the NYPD's claims. In her updated report, she said the NYPD had been refusing to offer specific numbers, even as she linked to sites where something resembling specific numbers seemed to be provided.

Say you want a revolution? These complaints about the lack of specifics struck as an unfortunate brand of weak Blue American tea. That said, no one has played the fool concerning this question in quite the way the New York Times has.

In this morning's print editions, the Times offers a profile of a veteran organizer who played a role in the takeover of Columbia's Hamilton Hall. Along the way, headline included, the Times report says this:

The 63-Year-Old Career Activist Among the Protesters at Columbia

Among the throng of Columbia University student protesters gathered outside Hamilton Hall on campus early Tuesday morning was a gray-haired woman in her 60s.

In a video captured by The New York Times, the protesters can be seen trying to push their way toward the building as the woman—decades older than the crowd—pleads with two young counterprotesters trying to block them from barricading the occupied building.

“This is ridiculous,” the woman says, as the men stand with their backs against the doors, apparently trying to keep protesters away from the building. “We’re trying to end a genocide in Gaza.”

The woman at the center of this encounter on the night protesters stormed and then occupied the building was Lisa Fithian, a longtime activist and trainer for left-wing protesters whom the Police Department would later publicly describe as a “confirmed professional agitator.”

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City and university officials have not said how many of the protesters arrested were not affiliated with the school.

Linda Fithian wasn't present during the arrests and she wasn't arrested. That said:

According to the New York Times, "city and university officials haven't said how many" of the people arrested "were not affiliated with the school."

It seems to us that various police officials actually have offered some such numbers. That said, someone else has called this particular roll. 

We refer to the New York Times! Yesterday, the New York Times called the roll concerning this question in this online news report:

Outsiders Were Among Columbia Protesters, but They Dispute Instigating Clashes

A New York Times review of police records and interviews with dozens of people involved in the protest at Columbia found that a small handful of the nearly three dozen arrestees who lacked ties to the university had also participated in other protests around the country. One man who was taken into custody inside Hamilton Hall, the occupied campus building, had been charged with rioting and wearing a disguise to evade the police during a demonstration in California nearly a decade earlier.

Yesterday, the Times reported that "nearly three dozen" of the people arrested "lacked ties to the university." As of today, a reader could almost get the impression that no one has any idea.

For what it's worth, yesterday's head count wasn't the first attempt by the Times to address this knotty question. On Thursday, the Times had published a report which nailed the numbers down in the following way:

Locks, Chains, Diversions: How Columbia Students Seized Hamilton Hall

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Most of those arrested on and around Columbia’s campus appeared to be graduate students, undergraduates or people otherwise affiliated with the school, according to a Police Department list of people who were arrested that night that was obtained by The Times.

At least a few, however, appeared to have no connection to the university, according to The Times’s review of the list. One was a 40-year-old man who had been arrested at anti-government protests around the country, according to a different internal police document. His role in the organization of the protest is still unclear.

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On the list of protesters arrested at or near Columbia were a handful of people without clear ties to the university, including one man who apparently lives in the neighborhood and who was arrested outside, and a woman who describes herself online as a “poet and farmer” who went to college in Vermont.

According to that Times report, the number of arrestees who weren't affiliated with Columbia was either "a handful" or "at least a few." The Times knew that because they'd reviewed a Police Department list.

(How many arrestees were affiliated? According to the Times, the specific number was "most.")

Yesterday, the Times reported that the actual number of unaffiliated arrestees is "nearly three dozen." (On Thursday morning's Morning Joe, we saw the NYPD's John Chell set the number of outsiders arrested at Columbia at 30-35.)

Today, the Times may give readers the impression that the actual number remains unknown. There's no mention of yesterday's report that the actual number is "nearly three dozen." 

There's no mention of the paper's earlier claim that the actual number was "a handful," and there's no mention of the ongoing claim that police officials haven't been willing to say.

This is the way the game is played by our brightest Blue Tribe newspaper. In fairness, the official organs of Red America are sometimes even worse. 

We agree with Prater about the use of that noxious, blood-soaked term. That said, she hasn't updated her  own claim about the NYPD's refusal to offer numbers or to back up its assertions.

How many outsiders got arrested? What role had they played in these events? We're not entirely sure, but it sounds like the number may have been 30-35!

Meanwhile, at the New York Times, does anyone know what anyone else is saying? It's a bit like with New England weather:

If you don't like the New York Times' numbers, you can just wait a while.


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    1. Exactly. Things were starting to calm down -- after push back from Biden, Netanyahu scaled back military operations considerably, and humanitarian aid to Gaza started flowing more freely. Now all of a sudden we have all these protests, which have been spun in the media as being bad for Biden . . . and it coincides with the start of Trump's first criminal trial?

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    2. "coincides with the start of Trump's first criminal trial?" Pretty clearly Russia, Russia, Russia is pushing all the buttons to get their puppet back in office.

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  2. Trump says that the Biden administration is behaving like the Gestapo. Is it fair to call that a lie?

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    1. pretty sure it's just the local police, who have nothing to do with the Biden administration. and their response has been relatively restrained. so yeah, it's a lie, as usual

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    2. "administration is behaving like the Gestapo" can't be a lie. It's matter of perception.

      Aside from that, if you want to claim that someone told a lie, you need to produce the exact quote, in context. Preferably a video. "Trump says that" won't do.

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    3. Maybe it won't do for you @12:44, but the rest of us are sufficiently familiar with Trump and his lies that we do not need a video or exact quote. The candidate formerly known as Trump does not know how to tell the truth about anything.

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    4. @12:46 PM
      All you're saying is that you're a Soros-bot. Which is fine, as far as it goes, but it has nothing to do with anything said @12:44 PM.

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    5. If calling a political opponent a "Nazi" is a lie, then liberals are the biggest liars of all time.

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    6. How about Nazi-adjacent?

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    7. Correction: Trump is the biggest liar of all time (probably literally)

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    8. Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis were nazis.

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    9. Randomly calling political opponents "Nazis" is a lie.
      OTOH, calling Republicans "Nazis" is the God's honest truth.

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    10. Trump was unable to criticize David Duke. Trump said both sides - one including Nazis, had good people. Trump welcomes Nazi's like Charlie Kirk, David Anglin, and Richard Spencer as campaign surrogates. Trump uses Hitler's words to attack immigrants. Trump bans Muslims' traveling to the US. Trump attempts an autogolpe. But he is just Nazi adjacent, surely not a true Nazi sympathizer...

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  3. The Gestapo did many things, including conventional law enforcement.

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    1. Does anyone think Trump is accusing Biden of engaging in conventional law enforcement?

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    2. Mao is a far right guy and they are never that shy about showing their soft spot for Nazis.

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  4. The campus protests in support of ending the genocide in Gaza, which have been peaceful, comprised of by a significant amount of Jewish students, and not antisemitic, have been infiltrated by outside agitators who are not concerned about Gaza, and are both antisemitic and anti liberal education.

    Bob is just trying to muddy the waters, coyly flipping the phrase on its head, his usual attempt at manufacturing ignorance.

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    1. These protests aren't organic college student led. I want to know more about the organization and funding. What college student has a tent?

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    2. Many college students have tents. Some even have kayaks or skiis. But tents can be rented at outdoor equipment stores. Owning one is not a sinister act.

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    3. 10:32 is obviously poking fun at the anti-protest movement, of which Bob is a proud member.

      While tents may be out of reach for some students at community college, at Columbia, that’s pocket change.

      The protests have been led by college students, modeled after the college student-led protests in the 80s against South African apartheid.

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    4. It doesn't matter whether these are student protests or not. If the people being arrested were Palestinians or worse Hamas members, then it would be a different situation. Protest is a right of all citizens. If protesters enage in civil disobedience, we have a tradition of such protest, but the protesters take their lumps under the law. Suffragettes enaged in civil disobedience. Men called them a whole lot of names.

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    5. 10:38 “Report the facts,” as usual, defeats and displaces “control the narrative.” I say kids sitting in tents, you bring up something else entirely. Most of them are peaceful and there have been some incidents, but notice I didn’t defend that. I said college kids. You went on to gaslight and use the exception to justify the rule.

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    6. @11:53 -- are you really addressing 10:38?

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    7. Go to the site formerly known as Twitter. There are tons of videos and you can get a sense of what’s going on.

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    8. No doubt there are tons of videos, but it isn’t clear you get an accurate sense of what’s going on. Twitter has no gate keeping as to who posts what.

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    9. Anonymouse 12:44pm, you’ll get a broader and therefore more accurate view than what you get by regular media.

      The news orgs all have Twitter sites and people can go between media company sites, freelance media members, and vids taken by random people on the streets.

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    10. You do not get a more accurate view on Twitter, Cecelia. You have no idea of the source of any videos, of the accuracy of any claims, of the background or motivations of the people posting, and how representative of reality it is. There are no standards of journalism. I’m not saying it’s all lies and that there aren’t valuable posts there, but it has to be treated with a healthy dose of skepticism, especially in this age of disinformation, fakes, and outside manipulation.

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    11. Anonymouse 1:20pm, there are videos that are time stamped, videos where the chants and comments are contemporaneous to current news, videos that X has labeled as being a protest outside of the U.S.

      “Buyer Beware” is nothing new.

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    12. The media calling Republican voters "economically anxious" is okay. But the media calling Republican voters "Nazis" gives the reader a broader, and much more accurate view.

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    13. "“Buyer Beware” is nothing new."
      The proper response to your child dying from eating tainted meat is to use the free-market to never buy meat from that same company again. Eventually, they'll lose market share and go out of business.
      Besides, suing the meat vendor just clogs our courts which are funded by taxes, which is theft.

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    14. Anonymouse 6:43pm, by that logic no one would trust any information medium (they’ve all erred - very badly at times) let alone dedicated news agencies that have researched and culled a report and still are at times quite wrong..

      So there’s that, but you do you,

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    15. True, people don't choose products/ services for their value. That would be Capitalism.

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    16. Anonymouse. 9:43am, that’s because the only value they find in things is self- validation.

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  5. A protest is for anyone who wishes to protest a specific issue. There is no law saying those people must be enrolled in college (or work at the venue where the protest is being held). They are voting citizens with a first amendment right to express their opinions. A protest at Columbia is not solely for Columbia students but also members of the community and others (for and against) the issue.

    ALL protesters and counter-protesters should obey the law. Police who target only those who they consider "outside agitators" are engaging in selective enforcement, which is not legal. (It is odd that a 60 year old is not considered a possible student, given that many older people are enrolled despite being of non-traditional age for college). When people break the law, they should be stopped by law enforcement, even if the law they are breaking is preventing access to a building or barricading public entry. The issue at hand should not influence the carrying out of police duties.

    I consider this matter of "outside agitators" to be a red herring, a distraction from the matter of the protest, and a way of smearing one side as somehow illegitimate in their concerns, when they have every right to expression under our Constitution.

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  6. “NYPD’s John Chell set the number of outside agitators [arrested] at 30-35.” That is clearly impossible. Some random poster on the Daily Howler a couple of days ago said that number was zero.

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    1. John Chell set the number? Interesting turn of phrase.

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    2. Anonymouse 10:37am, anyone can protest within the limits of the law.

      What organizations or people have funded particular protests and protesters is relevant news.

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    3. 11:32 that is a quote from Somerby.

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    4. The funding organizations doesn't make a protest good or bad. The cause does that. If the Unite the Right Rally were funded by Mothers Against Drunk Driving, that wouldn't make it any less Nazi or worth supporting.

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    5. Anonymouse 2:17pm, good people can and do protest for good reasons, however it does not follow that protests are not marked by the people who fund them. Such info should be ground zero for media investigation. Political, religious, corporate sponsorship, etc, that is bottomline info. Who took whose money always will be.

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    6. A protest is an organic gathering joined by those who share an expression. It is not a party thrown by a hostess.

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    7. Ground zero for a media investigation, should be finding out who told Clarence Thomas he didn't have to report the financial benefits he was getting from his Right-wing Sugar Daddies. Or at least show no one told Thomas he can do whatever he wants when it comes to reporting gifts.

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    9. Anonymouse 4:05pm, you're not good at feigning such naïveté.

      But anyhoo..,consider that any protest is ripe for infiltration by groups that do have an agenda. Thats why city officials, law enforcement, and the media watch and investigate such

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    10. Any protest already has an agenda, without any infiltration. Law enforcement investigates? But why? What's there to investigate? If "outsiders" join a protest (or "infiltrate", in your lingo), I don't think it's anything illegal. In my view, talking about "infiltration" by "outsiders" is just a smear tactic.

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    11. It's a distraction from what the protest is about, which makes it easier to keep the status quo.

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    12. Anonymouse 9:07pm, protests operate under the assumption that they should be given the leeway to inconvenience others on behalf of a moral cause. This assumption necessitates investigation from various establishments.

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    13. @Cecelia 11:43 AM
      Sorry, this doesn't make sense to me, the way you phrase it.

      Perhaps what you wanted to say is that the establishment, in this case (unlike with BLM a few years ago), is trying to stop the protests, and to this end is trying to identify and discredit (and remove?) their leaders (tendentiously identified by the media as "professional agitators").

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  7. We know very little about the genesis of the protests and encampments. IMO media should be making a greater effort to find out.

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    1. What are they protesting?

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    2. @11:40 It appears that the protestors have varied motives.
      -- Some favor the Palestinians, (wrongly) seeing them as oppressed victims
      -- Some are anti-Israel, (wrongly) seeing them as genocidal oppressors
      -- Some are anti-Semitic.
      -- Some are anti-American
      -- Some are revolutionaries
      -- Some see the encampments as a frolic. They're along for the fun.

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    3. You forgot a couple of options, David.

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    4. It does not matter what the motives of the protesters are. To the extent that they are citizens governed by our Constitution, they have the right to express themselves under the First Amendment.

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    5. David, let's not starve-to-death the messenger.

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    6. I agree @12:24. Also, regardless of their motives, if they violate the law or violate school rules they should be stopped from doing so and punished appropriately.

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    7. Most people probably agree that legal, peaceful demonstrators should be left alone, but demonstrators should not be allowed to harass and intimidate people or damage property or use violence.

      What about demonstrators who are peaceful, but who are violating laws or school rules, e.g., by trespassing or camping out on city streets? Should these peaceful demonstrators be left alone? Or, should they be sanctioned for their law or rule violations?

      My view is that laws and rules should be promptly enforced, regardless of the demonstrators'' motives. What do you think?

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    8. ...demonstrators should not be allowed to harass and intimidate people

      Unless those people are school board members or election officials. Then you can threaten their lives and the lives of their children and if the justice department says a peep, your fascist congresscritters will hold show trials in their committees. Right, fuckface in Cal?

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    9. I don't think those issues are as important as the subject and substance of what they are protesting.

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    10. The war between Israel and Hamas is important, but the protests are too remote to have any importance. These demonstrations won’t stop Iran from funding terrorists. They won’t stop Israel from attacking Hamas. Nor will they stop Hamas from killing as many Jews as they possibly can.

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    11. Most of the protesters want the universities to divest from Israel, who are running a genocide ring.
      Now, what do the counter-protesters, and the university President's want?

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    12. @6:49 - Israel is responding to a huge unpremeditated sneak attack on 1,600 peaceful civilians, including American civilians, involving rape, torture, kidnapping and murder. Israel OTOH is avoiding civilian attacks to a very high degree, even though their care means the death of more Israel. That's the opposite of genocide.

      Many well-meaning demonstrators are unknowingly chanting anti-semitic chants. "From the river to the sea" means to ethnically cleanse or murder all the Jews in Israel. Also, demonstrators on some campuses are specifically targeting Jewish students for harassment. Also, some demonstrations have become anti-American

      The counter-protestors want the antisemitism and anti-Americanism to stop.

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    13. It is getting difficult anymore to tell if David believes he's an American or Israeli citizen.

      Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict
      https://turkiye.un.org/en/263401-gaza-number-children-killed-higher-four-years-world-conflict

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    14. Anonymouse 7:22om, Tail-gunner anonymices are always questioning the patriotism of people who fail to hold their opinions. Until lately they called people traitors to Russia, now it’s to Israel.

      We bombed areas of France that were under Nazi occupation.

      Take at look at the WWII civilian losses in occupied Europe due to Allied bombing.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II

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    15. LOL, Cecelia. You're comparing the Nazi occupation of Europe to Hamas crammed onto a narrow strip of land in the Levant?

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    16. War is heaven.

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    17. Anonymouse 9:47am, no, I’m comparing an army bent on murdering Jews to an army bent on murdering Jews.

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    18. You're equating the Wehrmacht circa WW2 with a pathetic terrorist group? OK, Cecelia. Just tell Dickhead in Cal to stop boasting about how careful Israel is in protecting innocent civilians.

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    19. Good to know that David in California is cool with locking up the criminal J-6 insurrectionists.

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  8. "How many outsiders got arrested?" - Bob asks.

    What difference does it make? If outsiders join the protest, it just means that the protesters express a common sentiment. Does it somehow discredit the protest? I don't think so.

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    1. Anonymouse 12:07pm, it makes a difference because it’s a gauge as to what degree the protest is homegrown or imported. Spontaneous or orchestrated. All relevant and newsworthy info.

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    2. This is about an international crisis. Why should the protests be local?

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    3. @Cecelia 3:40 PM
      I said that "How many outsiders got arrested" makes no difference. To me, at least.

      Your comment is a non-sequitur. Yes, it may be interesting to know how protests are organized and financed. But no, the number of "outsiders" arrested does not provide any insights into it. The police could've targeted "outsiders", for example. Who knows.

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  9. From Simon Rosenberg (Hopium Chronicles) today:

    "Friends, I don’t usually post on Sundays but we got some good news this morning that needed sharing.

    A new ABC News poll has Biden leading Trump 49%-45% (+4) with likely voters. This result is similar to this week’s NPR/Marist poll which had Biden up 52%-47% (+5) with likely voters:

    ABC News Biden 49%-Trump 45% (+4)

    NPR/Marist Biden 52%-Trump 47% (+5)

    In both polls Biden does signifcantly better with likely voters than the broader electorate of registered voters."

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    1. Democrats were never great, but it's kind of amazing how much they've deteriorated under Biden's leadership. The party is festering with corruption and incompetence, at least more openly. Biden has been openly racist since the 70s. He’s learned to hide it, but now he openly supports genocide, and refuses to acknowledge that Palestinians are people. It's ok because at least 78% of Americans have woken up and Biden's clown show is finished.

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    2. 12:44: you’ve just accurately and precisely described Donald Trump and Tom Cotton, not Biden.

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    3. Actually, they deteriorated well before "Biden's leadership". Incidentally, are you serious about "Biden's leadership"? The man obviously doesn't know what his name is.

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    4. I'm beginning to wonder how many of all these pro Biden comments are real. Pathetic AI effort to save Biden's miserable lack of leadership.

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    5. Citing polls showing Biden leading is a pathetic AI effort?

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    6. Again with the "genocide" claim. If it weren't for Biden, Israel's military operations would still be at full throttle and humanitarian aid would still be stifled. The only alternative to Biden is Trump (Kennedy doesn't have a chance). So discouraging people from voting for Biden helps Trump, who would not only be worse for Palestinians, he'd destroy America as we know it -- no more free and fair elections, free press, or rule of law; he'd politicize and weaponize the federal government, first and foremost the justice dept., and forcefully round up millions of undocumented immigrants, even ones who have lived here peacefully for many years, have worked hard and started families. But sure, go ahead and convince yourself that Biden is worse than Trump, or that some third-party candidate actually has a chance.

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    7. Quaker in a BasementMay 5, 2024 at 3:02 PM

      Don't mind me. I'm only stopping by to drop this off:

      whistle past the graveyard
      idiom
      informal
      : to act or talk as if one is relaxed and not afraid when one is actually afraid or nervous

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    8. "Genocide Joe Biden" is not only complicit in these murders but in at least 35,000 other deaths in Gaza and the West Bank. Biden's dooming the world already. You think that voting for genocide will ... checks notes ... prevent fascism. Mm kay. Vote for whomever you want but stop pretending that you're saving society.

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    9. Try as hard as you want but you can't make Joe Biden into Netanyahu.

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    10. If Trump is defeated, the core of the American way of life (rule of law, a free press, etc.) will literally have been saved.

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    11. Post's like Mike's are huge red flags. Phrases like "way of life" are superficial political rhetoric used to manipulate public opinion. It's a catch all term used to invoke emotional responses. It's gaslighting the public into believing that there is only one choice and they should not question or challenge the narrative.

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    12. De-fund the police, indeed.

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    13. Our self-impressed pseudo-intellectual lefty's use of "genocide" is superficial political rhetoric used to manipulate public opinion. It's gaslighting the public into believing a vote for Biden is a vote for genocide.

      If anyone wants to see what Trump and his enablers like Bannon and Miller have in store, they don't have to take my word for it. They've been very open about what they plan to do. In this election, it really is true that there is only one choice to maintain any semblance of normalcy, sanity, order, decency. This is unlike any election in U.S. history. If you don't believe that, you're either not being honest with yourself, or you are misinformed.

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    14. 6:47,

      I saw Tim Scott on MTP today refusing to answer the simple question if he would accept the results on the election no matter what. Apparently, to stay on Trump's short list of VP candidates, you're not allowed to answer that question.

      Since when did journalists have to ask politicians that question? Since Donald J Chickenshit began to plague our land. Sorry, our way of life has already been corroded by that abomination.

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    15. I try to stay away from whataboutism and false dilemmas. 💤

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    16. Robert De Niro put in stark terms what's at stake. He has a better grasp of the situation than Somerby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y_-rLWozIo

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    17. If Trump is such a threat to our way of life, Democrats would not be running one of the most unpopular presidents of all time against him.

      Really, Democrats are trying to make Trump look like a threat to our way of life because they are running one of the most unpopular presidents of all time against him.

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    18. They are running Biden as he had 7 million more votes than the insurrectionist, adjudicated rapist, and lifelong criminal fraudster, one Von Shitzhispants. Remember, real men wear diapers.

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    19. Trump IS our way of life.

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    20. Judge Biden by his results not popularity polls conducted with low information voters.

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    21. 11:30 I would be thinking about the RFK Jr. option at this point. Or even Jill Stein. Biden doesn't have a good chance at all. RFK Jr. has the intelligence and know how to drain the swamp. Most important, he has the support of all Americans to do this.

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    22. 12:23
      Thanks for the advice, Boris. Do they feed you well on the troll farm?

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    23. Yes, trolling is a good career.

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    24. RFK Jr. is a salient choice.

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    25. 11:30 Biden shat his pants standing up on camera. Didn't see it?

      https://x.com/mandala_mandy/status/1787315226989285503

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    26. I do enjoy Trump attacking RFK Jr. as he is pulling more voters from Trump than Biden. Brain dead anti vaxxer idiots the bunch of them. Too bad the covid didn't kill them all. And Jill Stein is Putin's puppet, just doesn't poll as well as his No. 1 puppet, the ex fraudster in chief. Wake up sheeple. Russia has been at war with the USA since 2009.

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    27. Hey 7:59, I heard Scott is so far in the closet he is in Narnia.

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    28. If the phony "border crisis" was such a threat to our way of life, Republicans in Congress would have passed the border bill Putin (through Trump) told them not to pass.

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  10. “According to Mayor Adams, "outside agitators" had been in the house!
    In our view, that term has a terrible, murder-soaked history. It ought to be laid to rest.”

    It is of course possible that such people exist today.

    My question is why Somerby thinks the term ought to be retired. Is it merely because of its history? He doesn’t mention how this term is being used by the right wing to discredit the protests and the students, for whom Tom Cotton believes we should have contempt.

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  11. Quaker in a BasementMay 5, 2024 at 2:55 PM

    For Pete's sake. Our Host is playing a silly game here.

    "According to the New York Times, 'city and university officials haven't said how many' of the people arrested 'were not affiliated with the school.'"

    But wait! We're told (at some length) that this has also been reported:

    "A New York Times review of police records and interviews with dozens of people involved in the protest at Columbia found that a small handful of the nearly three dozen arrestees who lacked ties to the university had also participated in other protests around the country."

    How, oh how can we ever square these conflicting reports?

    By simple reading. The police and the city didn't count them. The Times got a list of names and counted the arrestees they knew to be outsiders. It's plain as can be that Times reporters came up with the counts on their own.

    Sheesh.

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    1. QiB, in the context of the NYC mayor and Columbia officials claiming that many of the protesters are outsiders, how is our very gracious and tolerant host’s comment “a silly game”?
      Especially since Bob included the info that NYT reporters had done a head count based simply based upon arrests records.

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  12. "About 40 percent of those arrested at Columbia on Tuesday were occupying the university’s Hamilton Hall, according to school officials. Thirteen of those protesters were unaffiliated with Columbia or other universities, university spokesman Ben Chang said Thursday during a news briefing.

    Of the other protesters arrested in Hamilton Hall, 14 were Columbia undergraduate students, nine were graduate students, six were students at affiliated institutions and two were university employees, Chang said. Forty-four protesters were arrested in the hall in total.

    “The numbers shared by the NYPD about arrests made on April 30 reflect the expectations we had regarding the occupation of Hamilton Hall,” Chang said on Thursday."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/05/03/columbia-arrests-not-students-nypd/

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  13. Biden has failed to lower MacDonalds and Starbucks prices.

    https://jabberwocking.com/screwing-their-customers-reaches-a-limit-for-food-companies/

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  14. Opposing Israel is good, but not everything done in opposing Israel is good.

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  15. I have become a good decent person because my uncle was eaten by cannibals. Somerby is no liberal.

    I am Corby.

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  16. The worldwide rise in antisemitism, whether it is connected to Israel or not, should concern all people with humanitarian interests. The failure of the world to control Islamic extremism aimed at Israel has become a pretext for scapegoating the only Jewish nation in the world, and Jewish individuals in other countries. This is most evident in the unwillingness of Hamas to accept or even negotiate in good faith toward a ceasefire in Gaza. That is one basis for considering the pro-Palestinian demonstrations and protests in the US as an expression of anti-Jewish hostility and not support for humanitarian relief in Gaza. No one has been pressuring Hamas to stop their attacks, as they have Biden and others who are not part of the current conflict.

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  17. " ... our brightest Blue Tribe newspaper."
    LOL!

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  18. Zionism:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_and_villages_depopulated_during_the_1947%E2%80%931949_Palestine_war

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    1. None of this excuses any of the violence by Hamas or in Gaza.

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    2. Anonymouse 2:47pm, glad you get it. It’s why there is bombing.

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