SATURDAY: She apparently thought she could be Nancy Drew!

SATURDAY, MAY 25, 2024

Perhaps not the world's worst idea: In this morning's New York Times, we find a fascinating portrait of Justice Sotomayor—more specifically, of the way she grew up.

Her father died when she was nine. In her portrait for the Times, Abbie VonSickle takes it from there:

VANSICKLE (5/25/24): She spoke with great warmth about her mother, who raised her as a single parent after Justice Sotomayor’s father died when she was 9. She said her mother initially wanted her to become a journalist, to travel and interview people. As a young girl, the justice recalled, her mother was unable to afford books or newspapers, leaving her to pluck papers from trash cans, eager to understand more of the world.

As a high school student, Justice Sotomayor said, she watched her mother return to school to become a registered nurse, a move that showed great determination.

“If I’m half the woman my mother was, then I’m satisfied because she was amazing,” Justice Sotomayor said.

The world contains a lot of great people, some of whom aren't famous. Justice Sotomayor's mother was one such person. 

As this morning's profile continues, so does Justice Sotomayor's portrait of her mother:

VANSICKLE (continuing directly): She also credited a series of mentors with helping her find her way as she rose from a young lawyer to a district judge, moving to the appeals court and finally the Supreme Court.

When she was asked to join the Supreme Court, she said, she hesitated because her mother had been diagnosed with memory loss, and she worried about whether she would have enough time to spend with her.

Her mother’s reaction was swift and clear: “She stopped me, and she said, ‘Don’t you dare not do this because of me. You would take away the dream I spent my life building for you. I wanted you to be the very best you can.’”

The world contains many such people. That said, we were most struck by something else the Justice told Vansickle about her childhood:

VANSICKLE: On a sunny spring day, hundreds gathered under an outdoor tent to hear Justice Sotomayor, including young children carrying Puerto Rican flags, a nod to her roots. The justice, whose parents are Puerto Rican, is the first Latina to serve on the Supreme Court.

The justice said that she had first planned on a career as a detective, prompted not by her interactions with law enforcement in the public housing that formed her world as a child in the Bronx but because of the fictional girl detective Nancy Drew.

“I think Nancy Drew became sort of a role model,” Justice Sotomayor said.

That led to a fascination with helping others, seeking justice and, eventually, a more sophisticated understanding of the legal system and the power of judges...

As a child, she apparently thought she could be Nancy Drew. It wasn't the world's worst idea.

We'll guess that public libraries and public school libraries were involved in her ability to read the Nancy Drew Books. We read the Nancy Drew books too, along with the Hardy Boys counterparts.

Did it make sense for that girl in public housing in the Bronx to imagine herself as Nancy Drew? Nancy Drew was straight up suburban middle-class Anglo. As noted in the passage above, Sotomayor is a Latina. Both parents "were Puerto Rican."

Did it make sense for that kid to see herself in Nancy Drew? In part, we answer our question with a related question:

Is it possible that Donald J. Trump may get elected this fall because those of us in Blue America have sometimes possibly pushed too hard toward saying the answer is no?

To what extent have we in Blue America possibly helped advance the interests of Candidate Trump? There's no perfect way to answer such questions. That includes the question about Justice Sotomayor and Nancy Drew.

That said, we thought the profile of Sotomayor and her mother was worth noting. So too with the eternal need for villains, a need we found expressed, remarkably bluntly, at the start of a guest essay in today's same New York Times.

Has our own tribe's psychic need for villains helped advance the interests of Donald J. Trump? We'll probably explore that question all through next week's reports.

She apparently thought she could be Nancy Drew! In some ways, that belief may not have been totally accurate, 

That belief may not have been totally accurate. But seeing "how way [has led] on to way," it also may not have been the world's number-one worst idea.

214 comments:

  1. Will Joe Biden be re-elected because people who call themselves "the moral majority" fly "Fuck Joe Biden" flags?
    Its possible.

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    1. Here Somerby asks: will Trump get elected because the blue tribe challenges White Supremacy?

      Racist much?

      Possibly, or just bitter about how his life turned out, and is externalizing his woes unto others.

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  2. This is why it is important to respect creative rights and ownership of music, art and literature by those who wrote them. From No More Mister Nice Blog:

    "The background music is the original audio, a track Trump has been using for a couple of years, at rallies and in campaign videos. It's been identified as "WWG1WGA"—a reference to the QAnon slogan "Where we go one, we go all" (when the song comes on in the rallies, Q aficionados in the audience make the Q index finger salute), by a tech house composer known as "Richard Feelgood"—


    Richard Feelgood is a compelling Electronic and Tech House artist from Enschede, Netherlands. Feelgood has established himself as a leading figure in the electronic music industry thanks to his distinctive style and contagious beats. His work skillfully combines aspects of electronic music with the rhythm and energy of tech house, creating a distinctive and dynamic sound that captivates listeners.

    —but the Trump campaign has denied this, insisting that the song they are using is a royalty-free track called "Mirrors" by Will Van De Crommert. Van De Crommert, who is not from Enschede but Minneapolis and lives in LA, agrees that it's his, but adds importantly that "Feelgood" has stolen his recordings, that Trump is not authorized to use them, and that he does not support Trump or QAnon in any way."

    Just like Trump steals, so does Somerby (sometimes without attribution). AI is going to make this problem worse, but Trump's theft does not have that excuse. And if the Trump campaign were more concerned about provenance of work, it wouldn't find itself with a "unified reich" meme "accidentally" included in its campaign materials. Just as Somerby wouldn't be quoting authoritarian-adjacent poetry by Yeats. Or maybe he did that on purpose.

    https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2024/05/my-unified-reich-t-shirt-is-raising.html

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    1. It’s probably connected to why Trump lies so forcefully about his crowd, multiplying the size by a factor of ten in his recent appearances in NJ and NY, where in reality he garnered meager crowds that started dispersing mid-speech.

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  3. "Did it make sense for that kid to see herself in Nancy Drew? In part, we answer our question with a related question:

    Is it possible that Donald J. Trump may get elected this fall because those of us in Blue America have sometimes possibly pushed too hard toward saying the answer is no?"

    The only thing these two questions have in common is that they are both questions. Otherwise, there is no parallel at all.

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  4. Henry Earl has died.

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  5. "Did it make sense for that girl in public housing in the Bronx to imagine herself as Nancy Drew? Nancy Drew was straight up suburban middle-class Anglo. As noted in the passage above, Sotomayor is a Latina. Both parents "were Puerto Rican.""

    Say what? Are you some kind of Nazi or something?

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    1. Sotomayor was raised by her single mom.

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  6. Is it possible the Left is making too much of Alito's flag because the Right pushed a phony "border crisis" for the last three years of Biden's first Presidential term?
    It's possible.

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    1. We should be saying "Alito's flags" since there were two of them being flown, both alt right.

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    2. Anyone not outraged by the upside-down flag is not a liberal. What's next - flag burning? And then what - doubting that Joe Biden is our Savior?

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    3. Samuel Alito? The guy who cosplays as a lazy moron on the Supreme Court. That Samuel Alito?

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    4. I don't give a flying fuck if Sam Alito burns the American flag every weekend at his summer home on the Jersey shore, just don't fucking accept the honor and privilege of a lifetime seat on the highest court in our nation. When you take that honor, you also agree to certain rules and codes of conduct, and one of them is you do not engage in partisan politics, maggot.

      A Justice Should Refrain from Political Activity.

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    5. Boo-hoo. Call the Manhattan DA, idiot-moonbat.

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    6. 10:54,
      Seriously. I haven't seen this much crying since a refugee stole some nitwits job.

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    7. Ah yes, a "refugee". Idiot-moobats love "refugees".

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    8. Ever since Alito leaked the Dobbs decision, and then acted outraged that it had been leaked, it seems everyone has been piling up on him.

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    9. 11:18,
      What's not to love?

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    10. Yes, they are extremely lovable, idiot-moonbat. Tell me more about your love for "refugees" and your hatred of "nitwits".

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    11. I love refugees, and I love nitwits. But moonbats? Sorry. I hate ‘em.

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    12. Unlike Republican voters (i.e. nitwits), refugees aren't huge fans of rapists.

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    13. Nitwits will be replaced with refugees soon.

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    14. Evidently, the Alito flag thing first came up in 2021 and was buried and is now recently resurrected.

      https://x.com/yashar/status/1794394520358141963?s=42&t=oYvKLjVc8YzJIvwKoQTYBQ

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    15. In 2021 the distress flag story was reported as a neighborhood dispute. Now it’s known to have been a political dispute.

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    16. Anonymouse 1:09pm, it was dug up in order to be a political dispute.

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    17. No, Cecelia. Alito and/or his wife made it into a political dispute.

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    18. Of course Alito intended it as a political statement. He sided with the seditionists of Jan 6. No need to play dumb.

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    19. Anonymouse 1:48pm, of course the WP didn’t have that reaction. They did not leap to that conclusion and after talking to the Mr.& Mrs. Alito they didn’t run the story.

      Running it took a phone call to the NYT in an election year.

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    20. Citizens need to know what motivates our lifetime tenured unelected judges. Things like Thomas’ greed and Alito’s insurrectionist support.

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    21. Almost every year is an election year, House of Representatives, senate, etc. It should make you wonder why the post didn’t report on this as soon as they found out. Every citizen needs to know this stuff.

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    22. It was a political dispute between neighbors. Apparently the Post didn’t dig deep enough to discover that.

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    23. Powerful people put on robes and talked in Latin to you and now you think they have magic powers that make them smarter than you.

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    24. God speaks to them in Latin, and they translate for me.

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    25. Ego latine loquor. Tu mihi credis.

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    26. The Republican SC Justices are motivated by emotion, they are angry and bitter and get satisfaction from “owning the libs”, Thomas even made that very proclamation upon his appointment.

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    27. I own some libs. They aren't very useful, not skillful, but they are not expensive.

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    28. The Supreme Court is owning the libs, which is emotionally comforting for them, but terrible for society.

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  7. '"Did it make sense for that kid [Sotomayor] to see herself in Nancy Drew?"

    Somerby leans hard on her Latina background and Puerto Rican parents. We are perhaps expected to laugh at her identification with Nancy Drew, or find it odd.

    When I was the same age, there were not many books with female main characters. There was Nancy Drew (with her upper middle class, New England life) and Cherry Ames, student nurse, who also solved mysteries. Other girls books were romances so I read science fiction and boys adventure stories, and children's classics (with male main characters such as Tom Sawyer) instead. I identified with the boys who did things and with adults like Doctor Doolittle and Sherlock Holmes. Girls have to stretch to find heroes, so was it that far-fetched that Sotomayor would identify with a girl named Nancy Drew, who lived in a big house, drove a motor car and had a lawyer daddy?

    If public libraries had divided books up into boys books and girls books, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to find diverse role models. Similarly, if the books had been divided into other categories, instead of letting us choose freely what to read, we might have had difficulty seeing other possibilities than existed in our limited worlds. That's why I object so strongly to the book banning movement, one that Somerby has supported here in his essays.

    I imagine that with the plethora of boys' books, there is no need for them to read or imagine themselves in girls' fiction, but that may not be true for all boys. Those boys who do develop their empathy by experiencing other lives vicariously are more enriched by that experience than your average right winger.

    Nancy Drew had a chum named George (a girl), so those books might have been targeted by the right today, for its gender-bending. That would be a loss to future Latina law school aspirants.

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    1. In 1967 the Seekers sang "Georgy Girl" with music by Tom Sprigfield and lyrics by Jim Dale:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIbfYEizLk

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    2. It was Tom Springfield, not Sprigfield, you moonbat.

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    3. 1:10 you seem to be aware that you are universally disliked.

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  8. Hardy Boys books were not "counterparts" to Nancy Drew books. One set was written for boys. The main characters were interested in electronics, playing mumbledypeg with knives and went to the Amazon to shoot birds. Nancy Drew snuck outdoors and hid behind trees and listened to bad guys confess, then got her dad to bring them to justice. Do you see any "counterpart" there? Nancy Drew's main activity was defying norms for girls' behavior by being inquisitive. She occasionally got her clothes dirty!

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    1. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

      The Hardy Boys, brothers Frank and Joe Hardy, are fictional characters who appear in several mystery series for children and teens. The series revolves around teenagers who are amateur sleuths, solving cases that stumped their adult counterparts. The characters were created by American writer Edward Stratemeyer, the founder of book packaging firm Stratemeyer Syndicate. The books were written by several ghostwriters, most notably Leslie McFarlane, under the collective pseudonym Franklin W. Dixon.[1]
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hardy_Boys

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    2. How does any of this contradict what @10:19 wrote? @10:19 is pointing out differences between the Hardy books and the Nancy Drew books, not saying the Hardy books had the content clearly attributed to the Nancy Drew series.

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    3. the Hardy Boys were typically mysteries and crime stories. I don't recognize the series from this description.:

      The main characters were interested in electronics, playing mumbledypeg with knives and went to the Amazon to shoot birds.

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    4. Stratemeyer created Nancy Drew as well as the Hardy Boys. He also created Tom Swift, the Bobsey Twins and a bunch of other series characters

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    5. Stratemeyer’s books were often banned, and that increased sales.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratemeyer_Syndicate

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    6. Good point, 1:06. Apparently those books were banned from my local libraries. I recall, as a child, wondering why. I still wonder why.

      BTW it' seems almost obvious that banning these books from libraries led to increased sales. People had to buy the books to read them.

      BTW after Stratemeyer died his work was carried on for a long time by his daughter Harriet She was a Wellesley alumna like my wife. Harriet is considered quite a hero at Wellesley.

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    7. "I recall, as a child, wondering why. I still wonder why."

      If you still wonder, you didn't look at the link Anon 1:06 helpfully provided. You'll find an answer there.

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    8. The Oz books were banned too. They were snubbed by librarians for being of insufficient literary quality, like pulp fiction and comics. Kids liked them, which is why they are remembered fondly.

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    9. There’s also that famous film with Judy Garland.

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    10. If DIC used the postal service for every thank you he has needed to respond to corrections of his statements I would buy stock in Hallmark.

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  9. Somerby cannot bring himself to state unequivocal support for anything -- he says that identifying with Nancy Drew "wasn't the world's worst idea". He says that a few times, as if there were any way to (1) prevent her from reading those books, (2) prevent her from identifying with Drew, whose life was different than hers, (3) prevent her from pursuing a career in law in later life. On what planet would preventing a young girl from doing any of that be a good idea? So why then is Somerby's language so tentative? Is he hinting it would have been better for Sotomayor to do other things and never join the court? That's what it sounds like.

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    1. I'm not sure why Bob is even posting before he gets the Right-wing Grievance of the Day explained to him.

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    2. Anonymouse 10:22am, look up the term “understatement”. It’s not the hardest thing you could do, if you get my drift.

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    3. I’m a private investigator. I use my Y chromosome every day.

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    4. i've been known to investigate some privates

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    5. Your Y chromosome makes you think those naughty thoughts.

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  10. "Has our own tribe's psychic need for villains helped advance the interests of Donald J. Trump? We'll probably explore that question all through next week's reports."

    Sotomayor's psychic need to be Nancy Drew is in no way equivalent to our "psychic need for villains" but it IS equivalent to the way right wingers identify with Trump and vicariously enjoy his breaking rules, abusing women, stealing whatever he wants, and the way he played golf and watched TV while on the job as president during his term. These are the people who didn't read books as children and didn't go to school and then resent those elites (such as Puerto Rican single moms with smart daughters who went to law school) while thumbing their noses at civilized behavior. They perhaps read Mad Magazine and comic books and never formed realizable goals as children, because meth addicts, bought guns, got divorced, and then heeded Trump's call on 1/6.

    That is perhaps the worst outcome in the world, for them and us. But those are the dopes Somerby has chosen to identify with, rejecting his Harvard degree and his genteel Boston/San Mateo upbringing to hang out with self-described "rednecks" who don't know which way the flag goes on the pole.

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    1. Somerby has a psychic need to be Nancy Drew? And this need is equivalent to right-wingers’ need to identify as Trump when he abuses women? That’s a — take, I guess.

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    2. I’m thinking maybe you should have read more Mad Magazine growing up.

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    3. PP, what a weird misreading.

      Trump would say you are a nasty woman, but it seems more likely you are a wounded person.

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    4. It’s certainly possible I’m a wounded person - who isn’t? - but that accusation is really nothing but a deflection. My summation of what you wrote is dead-on accurate. Be a mensch and own it.

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    5. Pied Piper,
      What's with Bob being as lazy as Samuel Alito?

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    6. Bob will move on from asking why the media can't explain the charges against Trump, before Bob ever makes the case the media isn't explaining the charges against Trump.
      I've seen Bob's show before.

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  11. Can one be inspired by a hero of another ethnicity? My guess is Yes, one can. But, it’s easier to be inspired by someone with some sort of connection. I was inspired by Einstein. I was also inspired by Jerry Rice.

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    1. You never defended Einstein when Bob trashed him.

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    2. Some people are more tribal than other.

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  12. What is Somerby insinuating here? That sotomator, a Latina, wanting to be Nancy Drew, a (fictional) white girl, is a good thing, but … what? What are liberals guilty of now?

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    1. What is a sotomator?

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    2. It’s the name of an early model of the Terminator robot series. It was quite unpopular and was quickly removed from the market.

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    3. It sounds like some kind of perv, tbh.

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    4. it's a tomato marinated in a bath of soda. *chef's kiss

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    5. Hard to beat pizza and Coke.

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  13. The left is filled with really really poor advocates in the mainstream media and blogosphere. It's like Lord of the Flies. Rational thought is suppressed, dissent is forbidden and a mob mentality takes over. It's been like that for 8 years. It's been incredible to watch.

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    1. I wouldn't call them "the left". Globalist minions. And not 8 years, but at least 30. Poor advocates? It's just that their agenda is quite unpopular, among the working people (aka "the racists").

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    2. @12:36 I could not agree more. There are high-achieving black people are in many fields. Ben Carson , David Blackwell, and Thomas Sowell are examples. But, the media ignores them or even disparages them. Instead the media promote victims and race hustlers.

      George Floyd is a terrible role model. He was a criminal He has no positive accomplishments that I know of. Trayvon Martin is another inapt model. He was a juvenile delinquent without positive achievements.

      One can make a case that Michael Milken was unduly punished. But, Jews don't ask that Milken be celebrated. Fortunately, I was raised with Albert Einstein as a model rather than Meyer Lansky.

      I wish the media would focus more on black achievers and less on black victims. Particularly blacks whose achieved greatness in areas other than race or politics. The focus on victims does black children no good.

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    3. David has a good point here. There have been Jewish criminals, but Jews don’t typically admire them. It’s the high achievers, making positive contributions, who find admirers in the Jewish community.

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    4. He seems to admire Netanyahu.

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    5. Right wingers raised Kyle Rittenhouse to hero status. You were saying, David?

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    6. What's not to admire? Listen to Netanyahu's speeches. E.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXgzOmiKbM&ab_channel=IsraeliPM

      His English is faultless. His presentations are fact-filled and persuasive, He's obviously very smart. There's a reason why Israelis chose him as their leader a gain and again.

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    7. What are you talking about @1:27? There are no memorials to Kyle Rittenhouse. Nobody proposed naming a street after him. OTOH

      The place where George Floyd died is a now sacred space
      Hundreds gathered Friday in Minneapolis for a day of remembrance hosted by the nonprofit Win Back to honor Floyd

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    8. It's a sacred space, because that was where every good guy with gun in the USA* fought the tyranny of the government (shot a cop, who was choking out an unarmed man).

      *all none of them.

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    9. @3:01 It's a sacred space because a black victim died there. The Albert Einstein House in Princeton, New Jersey is a memorial because a high achieving person lived there.

      I would like to see more blacks celebrated for achieving and fewer celebrated for dying.

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    10. David, memorializing someone isn’t the same thing as praising for their achievements. We remember the victims of the Holocaust, not because we necessarily celebrate their achievements as exceptional people, but because we honor their memories. Germany maintains the concentration camps as a memorial

      There is a memorial to lynching victims in the US (National Memorial for Peace and Justice). It memorializes the victims of lynching. Do they not deserve a memorial? Why not George Floyd?

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    11. Does it matter what kind of role model Floyd was? Don't even the least among us deserve dignity from our institutions and freedom from being sadistic deaths on the street for alleged petty crimes? Maybe part of why he is revered is he is not a role model but an ordinary person full of faults and sins and shortcomings just like the rest of us.

      Do we have to wait for a principled, ethical and economically successful person to get suffocated in the street to bring attention to institutional overreach, racism and apathy?

      FUCK THAT.

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    12. That’s a big exception, 1:18PM. Many good decent Jewish people, like David, admire Netanyahu because Zionism poisoned their souls.

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    13. @3:35 – You ask a question that interests me. Five or six years ago, on a tour of Europe, we were shown Holocaust memorials in three different countries. I observed to my wife, “These people are certainly fond of dead Jews.”

      Others also noticed and objected. See the book “People Love Dead Jews”
      In these essays, Horn reflects on subjects as far-flung as the international veneration of Anne Frank, the mythology that Jewish family names were changed at Ellis Island, the blockbuster traveling exhibition Auschwitz, the marketing of the Jewish history of Harbin, China, and the little-known life of the "righteous Gentile" Varian Fry. Throughout, she challenges us to confront the reasons why there might be so much fascination with Jewish deaths, and so little respect for Jewish lives unfolding in the present.

      As Horn explores the (not so) shocking attacks on the American Jewish community in recent years, she reveals the subtler dehumanization built into the public piety that surrounds the Jewish past―making the radical argument that the benign reverence we give to past horrors is itself a profound affront to human dignity.


      MLK is ideal to memorialize because he’s both a hero and a victim. An ordinary person who happens to be a victim, like Matthew Shepard, is less ideal. A villain who happens to be victim, like Martin or Floyd, is less desirable yet. What lesson do we want children to learn from Martin and Floyd?

      There can be too many memorials to victims and not enough to heroes. IMO an excessive focus on black victims discourages ambition. It encourages hopelessness. It encourages a feeling of entitlement. It encourages race hatred. . IMO children are better served by memorials to people whose behavior we want them to emulate..

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    14. "Five or six years ago, on a tour of Europe, we were shown Holocaust memorials in three different countries. I observed to my wife, 'These people are certainly fond of dead Jews.'”

      You were offended by the memorials? How would you have felt about the absence of memorials?

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    15. QiB - I would have been happier to see these countries doing something for the few remaining Jews in central Europe. E.g., to encourage Jewish return to their countries. I would have been happier to see them support Israel dealing with its unfair treatment at the UN, I would be happy to see them stop the EU's donations to Hamas -- donations that are ostensibly to Palestinian civilians, but which are everyone knows are used by Hamas to murder Jews. I would be happier to see them take a more active role in the war against antisemitic and antiwestern barbarians in Hamas.-

      Hamas has a announced policy of genocide. When much of the world community actively woks to preserve Hamas, what's the value of the memorials? It's almost as if creating the fancy memorials excuses ignoring the real problems of Jews today.

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    16. David, are you aware of what Germany does to support its Jewish community? Why don’t you find out before making some remark like “they sure do care about dead Jews.”

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    17. Israel is not "destroying" Hamas. It is in the process of creating Hamas-squared.

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    18. DIC thinks it’s cool to present himself as a psychotic, supporting Netanyahu, who built up and funded Hamas in order to provide a justification for a genocide.

      Good to know, DIC, appreciate the insight into your troubled soul.

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    19. David in Cal is a BIG fan of rapists, too.

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    20. 8:22,
      Only if they give him the bigotry he craves.

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    21. This commentary about people being fond of dead Jews, the thought having purportedly arisen in the setting of visiting European holocaust memorials is crassly bizarre. This may come as news to the likes of DIC but WWII was a big deal in Europe. Memorializing a group that was the subject of extermination by the Nazis in several different countries that fought against them is, it turns out a "reverance to past horrors". Exactly how screwed up does a mind have to be to consider a Holocaust memorial a reverance to Nazi activity? Easily the largest shark that DIC has jumped in recent memory.

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  14. Were there books at the time Sotomayor was growing up that had a young Latina protagonist?

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  15. Is this the rhetorical version of the upside down flag, or is it a thoughtful opinion and reaction to our current day environment?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13458625/Sonia-Sotomayor-says-cries-rulings-conservative-majority-court.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

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  16. Alito's flag is the Left's version of the Right's border "crisis".

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    1. Anonymouse 3:02 pm, all except for the fact that one of those things has spurred a housing crisis.

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    2. @3:02 is sort-of right. The border crisis, which is creating radical changes throughout our country, is being being given about the same media attention as the entirely unimportant flag story.

      Given the level of media bias, and given Trump's obvious flaws, it's amazing that the Presidential election is even close.

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    3. Moonbats are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Poor things are desperate.

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    4. Hey David, what do you think about FDR keeping undocumented migrants out of the country?

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    5. The difference is that the immigrants, unlike the Alito Klan, love and admire the United States of America.

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    6. Anonymouse 1:37pm, not to worry.., your lot will have plenty of time to instill in their children that ours is a racist inequitable culture and that they are its victims.

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    7. We'll tell them about how well the GOP took the Obama Presidency.

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    8. We’ll also tell them how the GOP wants to ban all immigrants.

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    9. Biden is not clear in his positions, personality, or policies. It is difficult for voters to get a clear sense of who he is or what he stands for. It's challenging for voters to connect with him, as they struggle to relate to or be inspired by him.

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    10. Anonymouse 8:15am, you’ll tell immigrants (legal and otherwise) what you tell you tell everyone: but for your political designs, the country is a cesspool of “isms” and always will be. .

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    11. I believe in ceceliism.

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    12. Immigrants, whether White or Brown, are the backbone to our country. Hurt and angry folks like Cecelia and DIC (who both present false representations of themselves here) are fine with the Whites but want to kick out and keep out the Browns.

      Ok then.

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    13. Anonymouse 12:38pm, you wish David and I were hurt and/or angry with the country and were hoping you could fix it. That’s the only appeal you can make and you don’t like the people who scoff at it and you,

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    14. Talking about immigrants as if they were all the same is like talking about blacks or Jews as if they were all the same. Immigrants like my father worked hard, led honest lives and raised families. Entrepreneur immigrants like Elon Musk contributed enormously. According to Forbes Magazine, “Immigrants have started more than half (319 of 582, or 55%) of America’s startup companies valued at $1 billion or more,”

      OTOH immigrant members of criminal gangs have done great harm to the US. As have, immigrant terrorists, like the ones who perpetrated 9/11. Illegal immigrants who suffer from contagious diseases are bringing back illnesses that the US had defeated.

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    15. Among valuable immigrants I should have included the brilliant scientists who were not welcome in Hitler's Europe -- Einstein, Von Neumann, etc.

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    16. Cecelia is still mad black people’s votes are being counted in elections, just like white people’s.
      I’m surprised she wasn’t part of the January 6, 2021 SnowflakeFest.

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    17. The 9/11 terrorists were not immigrants. They were in the USA on student visas.

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    18. "Illegal immigrants who suffer from contagious diseases are bringing back illnesses that the US had defeated."

      Those weren't illegal immigrants. Those were Republican primary voters. And this is the third time they've done it in the last nine years.

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  17. Bob is a couple of days behind. Why isn’t he wriiring about how Trump’s claims that Biden was trying to use the FBI to kill Trump, and the full embrace of this notion, is something he cant help feeling is part of the left’s endless need for villains, going even into harmless figures who have never hurt anyone like Donald Trump. Surely if he becomes President again we only have ourselves to blame.
    Has Bob had a source of income since he quit teaching school, and if so, who is paying him to crank out this amoral drivel?

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    1. I am paying him, and I’m well satisfied with his work.

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    2. Biden was trying to use the FBI to kill Trump,..

      This manufactured bullshit is being used by trump and his allies as a misdirection / distraction from the real news that came out of the hearing this week where we were treated to video evidence of trump's pool boy moving boxes of documents to hide from the FBI. That's all this is and the press falls for it every damn time.

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    3. The latest round of devastatingly bad polling numbers that Biden received this weekend doesn't automatically mean he will lose.

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    4. Maybe some day in the future they’ll decide the president based off polling.

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  18. Did it make sense for Bob to want to grow up to be Agamemnon?

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    1. Bob wanted to be Paris.

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    2. In the Illiad, almost everybody, Greek or Trojan, mortal or immortal, despises Paris.

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    3. The gods were WAY too smart to be the one to pick the most beautiful goddess, so they found a mortal schmuck, Paris, to be the sucker. And the rest was history, or at least mythology.

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    4. Three goddesses stripped naked to impress Paris. If Bob won’t take that role, I will.

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    5. The gods wouldn’t choose the most beautiful goddess because they’d never hear the end of it - as in, not ever!

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    6. Anyhow, Paris was right. Aphrodite is the most beautiful.

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    7. Actually, Aphrodite was beautiful, but not THAT beautiful. What she was, instead, was super-smoking hot. There was something about her that immediately engorged the loins. Even her brothers wanted to do her.

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    8. Anybody with healthy gonads wants Aphrodite.

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  19. The other day my partner and I were sitting at our kitchen table reading and she leaned forward and let out a nice cheek clapping fart that vibrated off the wooden kitchen chair. Made it twice as loud as hers are usually. The whole time, she didn’t break eye-contact with her book, just leaned forward and ripped a fart like a little pig. I looked up but didn’t say anything either, until she did it twice more and I finally laughed. She looked up severely and asked what I was laughing at. I said oh nothing, it must have been the chair. She smiled and said “that’s right” and continued reading.

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    1. If Trump can do it in the courtroom during his criminal trial (word is that his stench interfered with his lawyers’ ability to put up a proper defense), shortly before nodding off, then we must allow the same freedom for all. We can not have a two tiered system of farters.

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  20. These are the kind of prophetic words Somerby should be emphasizing, not Michael Moore or Bill Maher:

    "“This election is existential. I mean, if we don’t make the right decision in this election in our country, we may never have another actual election. I will put that out there because I believe it,” she said. “And if we no longer have another actual election, we will be governed by a small minority of right-wing forces that are well organized and well funded and are getting exactly what they want in terms of turning the clock back on women.”

    Mrs. Clinton described those forces and her former opponent as part of a “global phenomena” restricting women’s rights, pointing to a push by Xi Jinping, the Chinese leader, pressing women to focus on raising children; the violent policing of women who violate Iran’s conservative dress code; and what she described as the misogyny of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

    “Authoritarians, whether they be political or religious based, always go after women. It’s just written in the history. And that’s what will happen in this country,” Mrs. Clinton said.

    Somerby claims he voted for Clinton, but if so, why has he never paid any attention to HER predictions about Trump or anything else?

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    1. It would be interesting to see an analysis of these comments. Clinton is employing a classic propaganda technique known as “fear appeal,” using fear and urgency as a tool to influence voters. It helps take attention away from policy issues. She's positioning Democrats as the sole protector of democracy to mobilize support and demonize Trump.

      Trump does the same thing. It's a very old political tactic campaigns use to distract from their own weakness and polarize the electorate. Usually in the modern era, it has been used by Republican candidates. One wonders who is dumb enough to buy this shit. But obviously it's in a very effective technique as fear is a strong emotion that gets people to forgo rational thinking.

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    2. "Trump does the same thing."

      Does he, though? I don't follow his pronouncements closely, but from what I've seen so far, it's been more like "I'll end the NATO-Russia war in one day", "I'll deport millions of illegals", "I'll pardon capitol rioters", etc. Seems like the opposite of Democrat fear-/panic-mongering.

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    3. He uses it all the time. "No one will be safe in Biden's America." , "If Biden gets in, you could say goodbye to your American Dream!" etc.

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    4. Internet says those are from the 2020 campaign. Any recent ones?

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    5. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions.

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    6. What is the mystery about this? Of course he uses this rhetoric constantly. Why would you doubt that?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGJwCUHVgc0&t=4s

      "If you vote with Biden, this country is finished,"
      "If this election isn’t won, I’m not sure that you’ll ever have another election in this country."

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    7. Fair enough, I guess.
      Although the first quote is really about some Ohio pol: "He's not with me, and the day he gets out, he votes with Biden all the time, and if you vote with Biden this country is finished, I'll tell you right now." Just in passing; not really dedicated fear-mongering. And the second one is from the famous "bloodbath" speech, very much policy-driven; the promise of 100% tariff on cars made outside the US.

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    8. 11:38 engages in what is called turd polishing.

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    9. If that's what adding context is called in your language.

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    10. If he loses there will be a bloodbath in this country. LOL, Donald j Chickenshit will be leading a bloodbath??? Bwahahahaha!!!

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    11. I listened to Trump's two recent speeches -- the Bronx and the Libertarian Convention. The speeches were filled with wildly exaggerated promises. He certainly called Biden the worst President ever. But. his exaggerations were mostly positive -- good things he claimed he was going to accomplish, rather than disasters that will follow from a Biden victory.

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    12. 11:38 - Trump's first comment mentions a politician but the language used extends beyond a critique of their political behavior. It suggests that the country will be "finished" if the politician and Biden’s policies prevail. This is classic fear based propaganda. He's using fear of a dire future to persuade the audience against voting for Biden or those aligned with him instead of focusing on policy differences or a positive vision for the country. It is without dispute explicit fear mongering.

      The second quote is from the same speech.

      "If this election isn’t won, I’m not sure that you’ll ever have another election in this country. Does that make sense? I don’t think you’re going to have another election in this country if we don’t win this election. I don’t think you’re going to have another election or certainly not an election that’s meaningful and we better get out or we better… I actually say that the date, remember, this November 5th, I believe it’s going to be the most important date in the history of our country."

      Of course this quote is full of propaganda techniques designed to create a sense of fear and manipulate the audience into abandoning rational decision making.

      Trump uses fear based propaganda naturally, in the same way the rest of us breathe. He's a samurai master of using the tactic. It's inherent in the MAGA slogan for God's sake! Interesting to see you dispute that.

      I assume you are David in Cal, no?

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    13. The first comment doesn't "mention" a politician. It's about some Ohio politician, who votes with Biden, so it's not even about the election.

      The whole second speech is about the automobile industry and tariffs on imported cars. It is, without a doubt, a policy speech, not a speech about "my evil opponent", which is the only Democrat theme these days.

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    14. He may have said something similar in the speech you are referencing but the quote above is from the same speech. Both quotes are from the same speech from three weeks ago.

      Even still, I don't see how it would matter if it was a policy speech or not. Fear-based propaganda techniques can be used in any speech no matter what it's main subject. No? Not understanding your logic.

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    15. You are arguing that when a politician says "If you vote with Biden, this country is finished", it's not even about the election? Come again? You'll have to spell out your reasoning for me.

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    16. I have to say it's very interesting and surprising to me. You're trying to make an argument that Trump doesn't use fear in his political rhetoric? Is that really what you think? That is an absolutely wild assertion!!

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    17. That's right, it's not directly about the election. It's not "vote for me because X is evil" rhetoric, but rather "X's policies are harmful".

      Suppose I say: if you vote for the so-called "Green New Deal" the country is finished. Is it about the election?

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    18. Trump says he’ll do some good stuff: bring back manufacturing jobs, improve our health care system, boost the economy; but Trump never did anything about healthcare or the economy, and he lost 35k manufacturing jobs, whereas Biden has brought back 170k+ manufacturing jobs and has brought our economy back from the dump where Trump left it.

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    19. Yes, both employ fear based propaganda techniques. The context might not be directly about the election, but they tie the outcome of the election to the subjects mentioned. Both are a tactic to get the audience to override rational thought.

      Obviously, no? I guess not! Surprised.

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    20. 12:59 PM
      That is exactly why he's employing these propaganda techniques. To avoid addressing those issues. It's the same with Clinton. They both want voters to make an emotionally charged decision devoid of critical thinking. It's such an old and obvious game. To some. I guess to some others, it's not.

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    21. David in Cal why do you not use your nym on this one?

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    22. Is it possible to talk forcefully about subjects (car imports, for example) without employing what you call "fear based propaganda techniques" "overriding rational thought"?

      'If tariffs on imports are not raised significantly, a large number of jobs will be lost' - is this acceptable?

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    23. Free will does not exist, propaganda triggers what is already there, a propagandist is skilled at knowing what triggers people.

      Trump is a skilled propagandist, Biden is not.

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    24. It is possible but it must be accompanied with supporting evidence and avoid emotionally charged language.

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    25. @1:12 is right. Trump is a superb persuader. And, he's running a superb campaign. His effective speeches in the adversarial domains of the Bronx and the Libertarian Party are examples of a smart campaign and persuasive skill.

      I'm' not arguing about whether Trump's persuasive ability makes him a bad or good person or mes him a good or bad President. I'm just observing what I believe to be a fact.

      P.S. Note that "skilled propagandist" is just a nasty way of saying "skilled persuader."

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    26. Supporting evidence doesn't fit well in a speech. It's for an opinion piece, in a newspaper.

      Emotionally charged language is unsuitable for a technocrat (and the Democrats in particular fancy themselves all-knowing technocrats), but it's perfectly fine for a populist anti-establishment campaign (e.g. Javier Milei, Rodrigo Duterte, Donald Trump).

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    27. Could you explain the reasoning behind this assertion?

      "A "skilled propagandist" is just a nasty way of saying "skilled persuader."

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    28. I'll try, @1:48. Both are ways of saying that the speaker is good at convincing people to agree with what he says. Calling it "propaganda" is a way of saying that in your opinion what the speaker is saying is false. Def 2 says propaganda is
      Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause.

      But, it's the same persuasive skill, whether used for good or for evil. Hitler and FDR were both very effective at getting listeners to agree with them.

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    29. Wft leaving out definition one? Why did you do that?

      Both intend to manipulate public opinion. Propaganda uses biased, or false information to manipulate public opinion.

      Eg,
      "If you vote with Biden, this country is finished,"
      "If this election isn’t won, I’m not sure that you’ll ever have another election in this country."
      "If we don’t make the right decision in this election in our country, we may never have another actual election."

      It includes info of a "biased or misleading nature" - the part of the definition you intentionally left out.

      In contrast, persuasion uses transparent and ethical arguments and evidence.

      Leaving out part one of the definition disqualifies you from further discussion or any respect.

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    30. Give me a break, @2:14. You made up your own definition of "persuasion." For the real definition, see https://duckduckgo.com/?q=persuade+def&atb=v426-1&ia=web

      Do you remember the book "The Hidden Persuaders"? It was an expose of the advertising business. Nothing about ethics in the definition..

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    31. All communication is manipulation.

      And not only among humans, but all living organisms. That's a well-known fact.

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    32. When I communicate with David I am not manipulating him.

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    33. But you try.

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    34. The basic definition of persuasion focuses on the act of convincing someone through argument, reasoning, or entreaty. However, ethical considerations come into play when the persuasion involves deceit or manipulation.

      Noted though you arguing that Trump's unethical statements, currently labeled as propaganda, should instead be labeled as persuasion based on the dictionary definition of the term.

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    35. Vance Packard was using the word "persuaders" ironically, in the title of "The Hidden Persuaders".

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    36. Trump is so good at persuading, he got Republican voters to crave his bigotry.

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    37. Anyone who isn't a bigot, or in't perfectly fine with bigotry, left the Republican Party more than two decades ago.

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    38. Anyone who works for a living doesn't need much persuading to see the political system as utterly corrupt.

      Consequently, populist condemnations of the political system fall on fruitful ground. And massive state-run denunciations of these populists only add credibility to them.

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  21. If elected, Trump will ban the apple pie.

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    1. It has been discovered Trump retweeted viral videos made by his supporters that contain overt anti-pastry messaging.

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    2. Not McDonald’s apple pie, dream on, the guy, while completely ignoring his wife’s pie, chows down on fast food pie like there’s no tomorrow.

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    3. A major difference between Biden and Trump: Biden’s wife loves him and still wants to jump his bones, Trump’s wife hates him and is repulsed by the site of him.

      I’d rather have a loving wife like Jill, so I’m voting for Biden.

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    4. I'd rather have a wife like Kristi Noem. I don't want her as President, but she is a good-looking woman. And, when I had a pet that had to be put down, I 's save money on veterinarian fees.

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    5. When you’re old and you become a burden, she’ll put you down.

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    6. When you're famous they let you put down those who become old and a burden.

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  22. "Phenomena" is plural; the singular is "phenomenon."

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    1. An appeal to punctuation. Devastating. ;)

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    2. That’s not punctuation.

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  23. DiC:

    Far-right Israeli settlers step up attacks on aid trucks bound for Gaza

    The settler groups use a web of publicly accessible WhatsApp groups to track the trucks and coordinate attacks, providing a window into their activities.

    "Most likely" stolen by Hamas?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/26/west-bank-aid-trucks-gaza-settlers/

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    1. Thanks for the link, QiB. That's disturbing.

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    2. Israeli mother Ayelet Samerano addresses UN Security Council after a UN employee kidnapped her son

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    3. Are you going to add any details or are you going to make me do my usual job of filling in the parts you chose to leave out? For starters, Ms Samerano's address to the security council took place in February. Many things--good and bad--have hannpened since.

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  24. Trump's outright disdain for the meatheads on the Right, is something all great Americans should emulate.

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  25. Off topic
    Looks like I was right, unfortunately

    “Judge Merchan has yet to release the public version of jury instructions, however he previously decided last week that the jurors do not need to agree on a predicate crime in order to find President Trump guilty of trying to hide one.”



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    1. Do you have anything to do besides post here?

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    2. Looks like another of the defense team's Hail Mary motions went down in flames.

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    3. Looks like the work of another Soros appointed judge to me. Another travesty against our way of life. But enough quibbling about our broken system of justice. It is Memorial Day, or as the defendant would have it, the day for remembering suckers and losers. Is it OK to have this day of remembrance, DIC, or should we find it as repugnant as the Holocaust memorials in Europe? And if it is allowed that we can set aside this day for such, just bear in mind that it is not in good taste to fly your flag upside down, no matter what your paragon in jurisprudence has done at his place.

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    4. Boo-hoo. Do you have a video with "suckers and losers" or are you projecting your own feelings, as usual?

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    5. There are refugees at our border. Are you hiding under your bed, yet?

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    6. Why wouldn't your currency-speculating daddy buy them houses in Monaco?

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  26. "The Fayetteville Observer ran an op-ed a few days ago by Rebekah Sanderlin. She calls out Donald Trump for his dismissal of soldiers who fell in battle in Europe as “suckers and losers.” She spotlights the burdens borne by the wives of U.S. soldiers lost in Afghanistan thirteen years before Trump’s snubbing:

    I started leading Care Teams in 2005, only we didn’t call them that then. We didn’t call them anything back then. We just helped. We, military spouses, showed up after the soldiers in dress uniforms notified someone just like us that the person she loved most in this world was never coming home. As the wife of an enlisted U.S. Army Special Forces soldier who spent more time deployed than home, my husband’s friends were the ones dying, and my friends were their widows.

    Sometimes we were there to simply be a friend to a woman who didn’t have any friends nearby, but mostly we quietly did all the little things life requires of people, things people can’t do when they’re in shock and grieving. Because most military families live far from their hometowns, they rarely have a local network to lean on during a tragedy. We became their local network.

    We vacuumed, we washed dishes, we walked their dogs. We prepared their houses for the stream of people who were about to appear. We bought groceries, arranged meal trains, picked up their family members from the airport and met their kids at the bus stop, fully aware — though those children weren’t yet — that they were having the last normal moments of their entire lives.

    Early in 2005 I learned to always bring toilet paper with me. When the widow wasn’t looking, I would sneak a few rolls into her bathroom. It seems like a tiny, insignificant thing, and it was, but I quickly saw that the last thing anyone needs when their world has collapsed is to also be out of toilet paper. Some of those years, the casualties came often enough that I just kept a giant pack in my car.

    Service is what Trump expects wherever he goes. It’s not a thing he does, nor is self-sacrifice in his limited vocabulary. Trump’s comments left Sanderlin and others “furious and disgusted”:

    I was still leading Care Teams and still carting around toilet paper in November 2018 when then-President Trump called the U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood “suckers” and the American soldiers buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery “losers.” I was furious and disgusted even though, like everyone else, I had become conditioned to our President saying horrible things. But there were some lines that even the most ardently anti-war protestors were too decent to cross, and this man — the President of the United States — had just spit on those lines. But I didn’t have time to stay mad then. We were at war, and we were still getting new widows.

    In the months following President Trump’s callous insult, my husband’s unit would lose six more soldiers in Afghanistan. I had the privilege of knowing most of them before the deployment and there was not a sucker or a loser among them. They were committed, proud, well-trained and highly competent patriots, and they were some of the greatest people I’ve ever known. "

    From Digby's Blog Hullabaloo

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