OFFENSES: We go in search of "the other crime!"

FRIDAY, MAY 24, 2024

Kevin Drum sees The Third Man: In all honesty, we aren't envious—but we probably should be!

Last Saturday, on his now-concluded trip to Vienna, Kevin Drum "caught a screening" of The Third Man "at the Burg Kino," where it shows several times a week. He reports the event in this post.

The Third Man is widely considered to be one of the truly great films. In line with our recent flight in search of cultural and intellectual sanity, we'll include part of the overview offered by the world's leading authority:

The Third Man 

The Third Man is a 1949 film noir directed by Carol Reed, written by Graham Greene, and starring Joseph Cotten, Alida Valli, Orson Welles and Trevor Howard, set in post-war Vienna. The film centers on American Holly Martins (Cotten) who arrives in the city to accept a job with his friend Harry Lime (Welles), only to learn that Lime has died. Martins decides to stay in Vienna and investigate his death.

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The Third Man is considered one of the greatest films of all time, celebrated for its acting, musical score, and atmospheric cinematography.

In 1999, the British Film Institute voted The Third Man the greatest British film of all time. In 2011, a poll for Time Out ranked it the second-best British film ever.

With respect to Martins, we pity the fool! We pity the fool who decides to "stay and investigate" any event, or any discussion, involving the work of us humans!

We haven't watched The Third Man in at least the past several years. The last time we did, we focused on the fascinating, war-weary character played by Valli, who was, with apologies, once widely described as "the most beautiful woman in the world," apparently including by Mussolini himself.

There's actually no such person, of course. But given the way we humans are, from Helen right up to the present day, it seems that we never stop looking. 

That brings us back to the current question concerning Donald J. Trump. We refer to the claim that he engaged in consensual intercourse, on one occasion in 2006, with a major "porn star."

In the film, the Martins character becomes entangled in a search for the truth about the death of his friend. The authority thumbnails what happens:

Plot

Holly Martins, an American author of western fiction, arrives in post-World War II Vienna seeking his childhood friend, Harry Lime, who has offered him a job. However, Martins is told that Lime has been killed by a car while crossing the street. 

At Lime's funeral, Martins meets two British Royal Military Police: Sergeant Paine, a fan of Martins' books, and Major Calloway. Afterward, Martins is asked by Mr. Crabbin to lecture at a book club a few days later. He then meets a friend of Lime's, "Baron" Kurtz, who tells Martins that he and another friend, Popescu, carried Lime to the side of the street after the accident, and that, before he died, Lime asked them to take care of Martins and Lime's girlfriend, actress Anna Schmidt.

As Martins and Anna query Lime's death, they realize that accounts differ as to whether Lime was able to speak before his death, and whether two men carried away the body, or three...

Did two men carry Lime away, or was a third man involved? As Martins and Anna begin their search for the third man, "They realize that accounts differ!"  

The complications and confusions continue on from there. So it goes if a person attempts to answer this amazingly basic present-day question:

With what specific (felonious) offense does Donald J. Trump stand charged? 

With what offense does Trump stand charged? Given the way our bifurcated culture now works, citizens of Red America hear one set of assertions and claims about the ongoing criminal trial. 

Citizens of Blue America hear a completely different set of representations. Under current arrangements, tribunes of the two Americas virtually never meet. 

Citizens of Red Americas never see their tribunes' claims challenged, critiqued or questioned. Over here in Blue America, we're living in a separate but equal bubble. 

Can a large modern nation really function this way? We'd suggest that the answer is no.

Yesterday, shortly before heading for home, Kevin offered a brief post concerning our current search. One part of his post is a bit misleading, but nothing he says is "wrong."

We completely agree with some of what he says. Headline included, this is the body of his post:

What is Donald Trump’s “other crime”?

Bob Somerby summarizes the hush money case against Donald Trump this way:

To convict Donald Trump of a felony, the jury must find that he falsified business records (or directed that they be falsified) with “the intent to commit another crime.”

But what is that "other crime"? Bob is unhappy that our press corps remains fuzzy on this topic, but it's not really their fault. The fault lies with the prosecution team, which has itself been fuzzy on the topic. 

Presumably, they'll have to finally sharpen up their case when they make their closing arguments to the jury next week. But until they do, the rest of us can only make educated guesses.

Full disclosure! The (italicized) blockquote isn't our summary of the hush money case. As we noted in the report to which Kevin links, that was Jonathan Alter's summary of the matter, offered in a brief report for the New York Times.

As we noted, there were some shortcomings in that account. But that was Jonathan's (essentially reasonable) account, not ours.

As he continues, Kevin seems to agree with our general view in one key respect. He says the press corps has been fuzzy with regard to Trump's (alleged) "other crime." But he says it isn't really the press corps' fault. 

He says the principal fault lies with the prosecution team, which has itself been fuzzy about the identity of the "other crime."

We agree with that, up to a point. Here's where we would differ:

First, our journalists don't have to be "fuzzy" just because the prosecution has been. If the prosecution has been fuzzy with respect to the charges lodged against Trump, the press corps should clearly report and clearly describe that peculiar state of affairs.

The press corps should directly say that the prosecution has been fuzzy about this amazingly basic matter. In our view, the press corps should also examine the possibility that this constitutes a major problem with the prosecution's performance.

Strange! The jury is about to receive the case, and the prosecution is still "fuzzy" concerning the crucial "other crime" with which the defendant stands charged?  

On its face, that strikes us as a very strange state of affairs. There may be something we don't understand, but we've seen no one attempt to puzzle it out.

Kevin says the prosecution will have to "finally sharpen up their case when they make their closing arguments to the jury." We'll assume that he's right about that.

But doesn't it seem a little bit strange to think that someone can be charged with a serious crime—with a serious crime whose identity remains unclear until the prosecution makes its closing argument? 

On its face, doesn't that sound a little bit strange—a little bit Alice in Wonderland?

Full disclosure! This failure to define "the other crime" lies at the heart of a complaint which is constantly made by legal analysts for Red America's news orgs. Under current arrangements, legal analysts in Blue America remain free to ignore these complaints.

Red America's voters are constantly told that this is a very strange state of affairs. Blue America's voters rarely hear anything about it. 

Kevin describes a situation which seems quite strange to us. In a footnote, he offers this idea about what the prosecution will end up saying:

My guess is that they'll say the records were falsified in order to cover up the fact that the hush money was effectively an unreported campaign contribution. But that didn't convince a jury in the John Edwards case, so maybe they'll end up emphasizing something else.

That certainly could be right. (Our own impression is that the prosecution will allege a different "other crime.") 

That said, it seems to us that our mainstream news orgs have done a very poor job illuminating the "fuzziness" in this peculiar state of affairs, as well as in several others. Our best assessment would be this:

Human limitations being what they are, this matter is simply too complex—too complicated; too convoluted—for our journalists to untangle. Our biggest orgs haven't been able to do it. We pity the fool who tries to fight his way through their various attempts.

Back to Holly Martins! At this site, we've been trying to find "the other crime." Back in post-war Vienna, Holly Martins was trying to find "the third man."

Martins ends up on a Ferris wheel, discussing the situation with his old friend—with the man who was supposed to have died. 

Later, they end up chasing each other through Vienna's sewers. Given the confusions of post-war Europe, the situation was simply too convoluted, too complicated, for us limited humans to be able to straighten out.

So too with the ongoing trial in Gotham? As you can see in some of the comments to Kevin's post, some people in Blue America are rooting hard for a guilty verdict, confusion and fuzz be damned.

This is the way human warfare tends to end up. Meanwhile, as we Blues root for Trump to get locked up, it seems that he may be edging further ahead in various swing state polls.

President Biden may end up winning again in November. If Trump is found guilty next week, he will of course appeal. 

Red America's analysts say this trial is full of reversible error. On Deadline: White House, such claims go unaddressed as "some of our favorite reporters and friends" take turns fluffing each other. 

They do so day after day after day, week after week after week. To us, it seems like a cosmic waste of their knowledge and their time.

We live in a highly tribalized time. It seems to us that such situations rarely turn out well. 

That said, calls to lock the other guy up can feel extremely good. Until such time as we all end up on that Ferris wheel.

82 comments:

  1. People in Drum’s comments explained the details that elude Somerby. Trump is obviously guilty to any reasonable person.

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  2. It would make me feel a lot better to stop living in fear of what Trump will do if reelected. I refuse to feel guilty for rooting for Biden.

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    1. Is it more scary realizing the Democrats can't help take the bait on a flag argument?

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    2. If you are not outraged at a judge whose wife raised the flag upside down, then you're not a liberal.

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    3. Anonymouse 3:28pm, the symbolism of an upside down flag predates 1/6. In fact, the claim that it is used by Maga people was news to me. Same thing with the tree flag.

      I’m not sure how outraged we should be at the Alito family when the doomsday rhetoric if off the charts in both camps..

      In fact, the rhetoric as to SCOTUS has long been that Sotomayer should go the hell into retirement, so we can replace her with a liberal, just as we did with Breyer. Same with the rhetoric about expanding the court for other delightful liberals justices. It’s only fair…

      Why is anyone surprised that it’s all politics now and that fact may have.facilitated harsh words between all sorts of neighbors in all sorts of neighborhoods and a nationwide sense that things are breaking down.

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    4. Are all Democrats liberals?

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    5. Sorry, 3:28pm was sarcasm. But I understand: Poe's law. On the internet you can't tell sarcasm from genuine idiocy.

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    6. Judges are supposed to play neutral in public. Downplaying the significance of the flags, especially in light of Ginni actively working the autogolpe, and the dear leader constantly referring to being a dictator is nonsense. What would you knumbskulls be saying if Ketanji Brown Jackson's husband flew a black power flag? Democrats taking the bait on flags is bad; but Magats screaming about the FBI attempted murder of Trump is a real thing is normal? By serving papers in Florida while they knew he was in NJ? Come on now.

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    7. If you're hoping for people to be normal in the government I have a bridge to sell you.

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    8. Alito is only a mere Supreme Court Justice. It's not like he is a super powerful preacher at a church Obama was in once.
      LOL.

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    9. Anonymouse 5:27pm, you can’t ascertain the difference between racial supremacy sentiment from sentiment that our nation is in distress?

      You routinely use hyperbolic partisan rhetoric as to your political opponents and as to the conservative SCOTUS justices. So do the elite talking heads on tv every night.

      The upside flag is political, but it is not as targeted as the rhetoric you support from a variety of our elites. Including personal attacks on various justices.

      The upside down flag may be political, but it not necessarily partisan. Mr. Alito answered rightful inquiries about that flag. You should appreciate the little hay your outraged self has made of it and move on.

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    10. Yea right Cecelia, the Pine Tree - Appeal to Heaven flag just by happenstance is flown by three of the most powerful christo-fascists in the county - Leonard Leo, Alito and in squeaker Johnson's office. It's "just some old flag" doesn't work when it has been co-opted by religious whackaloons who are working to make this a white christian fascist ruled nation. Instead of brushing off everything as trump derangement syndrome, you should pay attention to what these fascists have coming out of their fascist mouths.

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    11. Republicans can do no wrong. They are always being unfairly attacked by mean liberals. Also, the Alito school of jurisprudence says “it’s ok if you’re a Republican.” Can you imagine Alito or Fox News considering a Biden claim of absolute immunity from prosecution?

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    12. In fact, the claim that it is used by Maga people was news to me. Same thing with the tree flag.

      But it is indeed, Cecelia. But really, why do you have to just accept Alito's bullshit explanation about the upside down American flag?

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  3. Bob doesn’t explain any connection between “The Third Man” and this Trump trial. Except I guess that people can witness things differently (the movie he probably wants is “Rashomon”) but the movie does not suggest that makes the villain innocent. Quite the opposite.

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    1. Somerby explains the connection by drawing a parallel between the confusion and conflicting accounts in The Third Man and the ambiguity surrounding the charges in the Trump trial. The connection is about the difficulty of finding the truth in both scenarios. Rashomon deals with differing perspectives of the same event. However, The Third Man does as well, which is why Somerby used it as a reference. ✌🏽

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    2. Any film where a person is squeezing their eyes shut, sticking their fingers in their ears, and repeating, "I can't hear you" over and over again, would also be an appropriate one.

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    3. But in “The Third Man” the “confusion” is manufactured by an evil man manipulating the gullible. That’s the connection, but Bob misses it. Bob is only pretending, however, to be gullible. Drunks being arrested will often ask the cop “on what charge?” When told, they will just keep asking over and over. That is what Bob is doing.

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  4. Oh please, Bob. Witch-hunt is a long-standing American tradition.

    Witches get burned, or hanged, or drowned; life goes on. Why overdramatize.

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  5. “The Third Man’s” real point it to tell the story of a monstrous man who deceived good people even though he believes he looks down from a high place over the rest of humanity, this let’s him commit atrocities. Now yes, it boggles the mind of blue state people that the obviously repellent Trump can be anybody’s Harry Lime. But Bob had fallen for Trump, seemingly spurned by his blind hatred of Trump’s enemies.

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    1. Or…it may be the movie was referenced because central to its plot is the bewilderment and suspicion that was aroused in Martins by varying stories as to what happened to Lime.

      You know… what Bob said…

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    2. Which has WHAT to do with the Trump trial? If this analogy made sense, MAGA dupes would be repelled when the truth emerged, but MAGA types only become more committed dupes. You know….like you and Bob.

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    3. Anonymouse 2:12pm, Bob has recently quoted some non-MAGA public people as being confused as to the “second crime” too.

      Oh, you’ll ignore that particular fact. No one is surprised that you only include Bob in the cohort of MAGA members because of his questions. . In fact, if Bob had ZERO questions as to the intended second crime, you’d still be working very hard to suggest that he did.

      That’s your job description. It’s what you’ve done for years. It’s transparently what you do.

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    4. Cecelia,
      I'm dismissing your comments, and acting confused about what you wrote.
      Can I get a cookie from you, like Bob did?

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    5. Anonymouse 6:11pm, I’d rather give you a homemade cookie than to take such an offering from you. I’d recommend that position to EVERYone.

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    6. Yes but when former Trump friends and associates explain how they have realized how crooked Trump is Bob just ignores them so that doesn’t mean much. Bob only views his fellow Trump fans as having worthwhile opinions.

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  6. Edan On, one of the rioters at the UCLA pro-Palestinian encampment, has been arrested:

    https://x.com/KyungLahCNN/status/1793843875997696202

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  7. In the movie, Holly Martins remains loyal to Harry Lime, until he is shown the crippled children, who are the victims of Harry Lime's crimes. I remain loyal to Donald Trump because there are no victims of his trumped-up crimes.

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    1. He tried to fucking steal my vote, you fucking idiot. No victims my ass.
      Ask Ruby Freeman if she agrees with your asinine statement, you fucking maggot.

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    2. fuck you, attempted insurrection is a fucking crime you jackass. Ask a couple Capitol police if there are any victims. You're a jackass.

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    3. David is a good decent person. We won’t win him over with insults.

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    4. Idiot-moonbats can vote? That's news to me.

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    5. Hillary is particularly irate today.

      Don’t skip your meds, Hill.

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    6. David is one of the dumbest bullshitters who haunt this comment board.

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    7. I asked you previously not to refer to me as Hillary, Cec.

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    8. Anonymouse 12:36pm, I would really like to oblige you, but you won’t cooperate.

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    9. Sadly, we idiot-moonbats are only allowed to vote in Albania.

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    10. Just trolling today, dickhead in Cal?

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    11. Cecelia, look again at 12:36, and tell us how you would oblige that commenter.

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    12. Anonymouse 1:04pm, it’s the difference between saying David is bull$hitting folks and that he’s dumb enough to think they’re buy it, from screeching psychopathy.

      Your mileage may vary.

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    13. Yes, my mileage varies.

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    14. Anonymouse 1:58pm, no surprise there.

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    15. Cecelia, it is the difference between DiC pulling this shit 1 or 2 times vs 1000's of times.

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    16. @12:29 - Good person or not, David can't be won over. Period. He invites insult. It would be impolite to refuse.

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    17. Cecelia,
      It's impossible to tell, because David is a Right-winger and Right-wingers never make good faith arguments.

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  8. I could see President Biden dropping out after the first debate if he continues to be ineffective. Disillusionment with institutions has created a kind of mouse trap for Democrats.

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    1. I could see you dropping your pants and getting laughed at.

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    2. Yeah, you could probably see Trump testifying in his trial too. Sucker.

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  9. Part of what makes The Third Man great is Anton Karas’s zither theme:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I2ZWcwy12lk&pp=ygUWdGhpcmQgbWFuIHRoZW1lIHppdGhlcg%3D%3D

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  10. Bob thinks there is no such person as the most beautiful woman in the world. Yes there is such a person. She lives, she breathes, she comments on this very blog!

    Gentlemen, join me in a standing ovation for our beloved Cecelia.

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    1. There is no such person as the most beautiful women in the world. There are 20. Ladies and gentlemen, the Denver Nuggets Dancers!

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    2. I am the most beautiful woman in the world. I play bridge. I sniff my fingers. What an asshole Somerby is.

      I am Corby.

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    3. Anonymouse 12:36pm, that title needed to be retired after Ava Garner died.

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    4. Those girls have the biggest, most sublime fannies of any dance team from the post-Progressive Era.

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    5. Jennifer Lopez's ass is enormous.

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    6. More Bounce To The Ounce.

      RIP Roger Troutman.

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    7. Cecelia, you’re modest, but you have a point. Ava Garner was beautiful, and James Gardner was handsome.

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    8. Her beauty is all the more amazing considering she is a man.

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    9. Anonymouse 5:12pm, I’m surpassed only by Al Gore.

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    10. Yes, fannies can be sublimely beautiful.

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  11. As others have noted, this case is not murky, it is straightforward. If you remain confused, that's on you, in which case there is no point in rehashing the details, since you are incapable of being reasonable in this circumstance.

    Drum and Somerby are just putting their thumbs on the scale, because they are both neoliberal right wingers.

    Using behavioral science as well as history, we can reasonably define terms: leftists support egalitarianism, while right wingers support hierarchies and dominance. Humans are innately egalitarian, it has been the foundation to our societies for 95% of our existence, up until about 10-12k years ago. An obsession with hierarchy and dominance is a personality trait that emerged on a large scale when humans transitioned from immediate return (egalitarian) societies to societies based on surplus and commodification, which led to circumstances that propagated the personality trait of right wingers.

    Right wingers often have a limited and temporary advantage in our current society, since it is a dog eat dog situation; right wingers rely on arbitrary hierarchies to dominant others in a way in which they can personally benefit from. Right wingers abuse our innate humanity to facilitate their grifts. It is a cycle, often generational; right wingers come from abuse and then in turn abuse others. It is a difficult chain to break, and right wingers work hard to maintain that chain.

    Former Somerby hero Dr Bandy Lee, and many others in behavioral science, like Dr Sapolsky, explain the mechanisms at work; in a proximal sense, it largely boils down to unresolved childhood trauma, which affects how brains develop, right wingers have a smaller frontal cortex and a larger amygdala.

    In reality, Trump's case is routine for the DANY, it is their "bread and butter", and there are previous cases that even involve the specific circumstances of falsifying business records in furtherance of an intent to commit or conceal illegality in connection to elections, such as the convictions of Clarence Norman, Richard Brega, Richard Luthmann, etc.

    Drum and Somerby are attempting to manufacture ignorance over this case, because it emotionally triggers them, therefore they are incapable of being reasonable.

    When these folks are done seething, they will have to find a way to cope, but due to their personal histories, they have limited self control in certain circumstances.

    If Trump is re elected, these people will feel tremendous satisfaction over "owning the libs" and will happily gloat, while the rest of us, instead of wallowing in phony grievance and victim-hood like right wingers, will get on with the business of minimizing Trump's harm. The hope is that our institutions and systems are robust enough to handle someone with fascistic leanings like Trump.

    What is more likely is that Trump will be convicted, and Biden will get re-elected.

    If Trump is found guilty, loses the election, these people will be hurting, perhaps we can pity them.

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    1. "As others have noted, this case is not murky, it is straightforward."

      It's so straightforward that you take a pass on stating it yourself.

      And who anywhere, other than in this comments section, has described this case as straightforward?

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    2. Smart AI or dumb human.

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    3. Another pass. Keep going, guys!

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    4. It has been stated repeatedly. This is a fals issue.

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    5. That's three, but who's counting?

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    6. FFS you idiots know how to use the Google? https://www.factcheck.org/2023/04/whats-in-trumps-indictment/

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    7. The point is that the press has not been able to describe the specific felonious offense with which Trump is charged. Even if the prosecution has been unclear about it.

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    8. Very well stated. Yet if we survive, by the ballot box or the Courts, deep problems aboard. Bitter bozos like Dic will simply float away. The dufas brigade of Jan 6 did exhaust “wife beaters who think they know something about history” crowd. But idiots like Bob Somerby are a dark omen, bitter know it alls whose petty grudges have robbed them of all morality, all common sense.

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    9. I’ve got her larger than normal amygdala right here…

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    10. 5:10,

      Thanks for providing the link, so that even idiots can understand the nature of the 'other crime'.

      In the article you linked to, one section is titled The Indictment and includes this sentence: "The charging indictment itself is short on the specifics of the case." The other crime wasn't mentioned.

      But 'other crime' discussion did take place in a subsequent narrative section, entitled "Statement of Facts", but alas, narratives have no force of law.

      You need to find a better link unless you want to be classified with the idiots.

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    11. Many of us have followed the trial closely. The specifics of the "other crime" were presented by witnesses and documents in the trial. There are multiple other crimes. The judge has ruled that the jurors need not agree about which of those crimes are the "other crime" in order to convict on the felony charges.

      You cannot be so stupid as to believe that Stormy Daniels testified about documents that were falsified, or that David Pecker's testimony was about falsified business records either. What do you think their testimony was about?

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    12. This is a media criticism blog. If the media can't even explain the charges to Bob Somerby while he squeezes his eyelids shut, sticks his fingers in his ears, and repeats "Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you" over and over again, they deserve to be criticized.

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    13. 9:12,

      I'm stupid enough to think that testimony in and of itself does not show that a crime has occurred.

      Since you seem to need the obvious pointed out to you, it is the content of the testimony, and its relationship to other testimony, and to facts, and to law, and to juror's minds, that determine whether a crime has occurred.

      But you do give a pretty good precis of what the 'other crime(s)' are. The jurors get to choose among 3 'other crimes', none of which, it turns out, actually have to be shown in any court to have been crimes.

      The leading contender for 'other crime' seems to be a violation of campaign finance law, which is notoriously complicated but about which the jury is being told very little.

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    14. Why limit it by just three "crimes"? Why can't each of the jurors imagine any other possible crime?

      For example, apparently "throughout New York state, it is illegal to sell baby chicks or rabbits which have colored fur or feathers." That could be it, why not?

      https://pappalardolaw.com/2024/04/strange-laws-new-york/

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    15. That works for me, maggot.

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  12. Kabosu has died.

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  13. A delightfully long fanny burp just presented itself.

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  14. Philip Bump did the best job I have seen yet, in the Washington Post: "Unpacking the alleged crime that made Trump’s alleged crime a felony"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/22/trump-hush-money-trial-charges/

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  15. Thanks for making this article available. It seems to say Cohen’s payment to Daniels was a violation because it exceeded the maximum amount ($2,700) an individual can contribute to a campaign.

    So it seems Trump is guilty of the same violation as Cohen, because he was subject to the same $2,700 limitation.

    Does that mean if the Trump campaign--rather than the Trump Organization--had paid Daniels, then that payment would have been legal? (since there are no limits on how much a campaign can spend on legally generated funds).

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