WEDNESDAY, MAY 15, 2024
How well do they deal with ideas? This week, we've been talking about the basic capability, or lack of same, within our upper-end press corps.
We've also talked about their interest, or lack of same, when it comes to dealing with ideas.
Do they really prefer to spend the day talking about who may have had consensual sex on one occasion ten years in the past? Is that what our journalists are like? Does this perhaps even involve a secret fact about us?
Do journalists want to talk about policies, issues, ideas? How much capability do they display when they decide to give it a try?
As a way of examining those questions, consider a new guest column in the Washington Post by former governor Mitch Daniel (R-Indiana).
We assume that Daniels wrote the essay in complete good faith. Our interest lies in the fact that the Washington Post, a high-ranking major newspaper, decided to publish the piece.
Daniels is writing about public schools, a topic in which he has long taken interest. More specifically, he's writing about a basic tenet of the movement which is now called "the science of reading."
Daniels wants to outlaw "social promotion" when children move from third to fourth grade. Headline included, he starts to outline his thesis starts in the manner shown:
How to help third-graders struggling to read: Don’t socially promote them
In 1961, Federal Communications Commission Chairman Newton Minow got a virtual trademark on the term “vast wasteland.” So, although highly apt, it isn’t available now for application to K-12 public schools in the United States.
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In the K-12 wasteland, the good news is that we know not only where to apply the leverage, but also when. The critical skill is reading, and the critical juncture is third grade, or more precisely the transition from third to fourth grade.
No other variable is more important; whether a fourth grader can read is the “pivot point” in their education. As the saying goes, by then children must learn to read, because afterward they will have to read to learn. The Annie E. Casey Foundation, a children’s welfare organization, has found that kids who leave third grade without reading proficiency are four times less likely to finish high school, with all the handicaps that places on their lives as adults.
Our K-12 schools are a wasteland, Daniels gloomily says. Then again, so is our upper-end press corps, what with its general lack of basic analytical skill.
In the passage we have posted, Daniels says this about "kids who leave third grade without reading proficiency:"
He says that such kids are "four times less likely to finish high school," as compared to kids who leave third grade with basic reading proficiency.
Should some such fact seem surprising? Should it be surprising to hear that kids who are struggling at the end of third grade end up doing less well later in school, when compared to the kids who were doing well all along?
That doesn't sound surprising! Since Daniels is going to recommend that struggling kids repeat third grade, the actual question should probably be something like this:
How many kids who are required to repeat third grade end up failing to finish high school? Does repeating third grade actually increase the eventual graduation rate?
Will kids do better if they're forced to repeat? Daniels presents no data concerning that question, nor do his editors at the Post seem to notice or mind.
Full disclosure! At one point, it was commonly held that forcing kids to repeat a grade increased the likelihood that they would fail to finish high school.
We have no idea if that standard claim was true or was false, but it's a possibility which Daniels blows past. From there, he offers this data-based argument in favor of Grade 3 retention:
We know not only what to do and when to do it, but also how. Ending the pernicious, self-defeating practice known as “social promotion” is the key. Schools must be prevented from shuffling kids who do not yet have basic reading skills on to the fourth grade and likely failure in the years beyond...
This reform left the realm of theory long ago. In Indiana, when I was governor, a 2010 statute prohibited social promotion of students flunking the statewide reading exam, absent clearly defined potential exceptions for English learners and special education students, or if “good cause” could be shown.
A year after the law was passed and a new reading test was instituted, the third-grade pass rate was 85.7 percent. The following school year, 2012-2013, the pass rate hit what turned out to be an all-time high, 91.4 percent, and held above 91 percent for two more years. Analyzing the 2013 National Assessment of Educational Progress scores, President Barack Obama’s education secretary, Arne Duncan, singled out Indiana’s improvement as one of the nation’s bright spots.
But if no good deed goes unpunished, no education reform goes unopposed by the special interests that dominate the space. In 2012, a union-funded campaign evicted the state’s reformist superintendent of public instruction, and he was replaced with someone—an elementary school librarian and teachers union official—whose assignment seemed to be to throw sand in the gears of all the changes the legislature had approved in the previous two years.
The number of social promotion exemptions granted began to swell. From 4 percent in 2013, the percentage of nonreaders passed to fourth grade had doubled by 2017 and reached 17 percent by 2021. The 81.9 percent reading test pass rate for third-graders in 2022-2023 was an almost 10 percent plunge from a decade ago.
In that passage, Daniels describes what happened after third grade "social promotion" was outlawed in Indiana, and then after the practice was largely restored:
After social promotion was outlawed, he says the third grade "pass rate" in reading proficiency quickly jumped from 85.7 percent to 91.4 percent. As he does, he makes no attempt to explain why the new policy would have produced that result.
He then suggests that the "pass rate" fell all the way back to 81.9 percent after the "no social promotion" policy was largely abandoned. He slides past a secret which is there for all to see in a data set to which he offers a link.
As you can see in this link from within a link, the bulk of the drop in the Grade 3 reading "pass rate" occurred in the aftermath of 2020—that is to say, in the aftermath of the first Covid year.
From the 2012-2013 school year to the 2018-2019 school year, the "pass rate" fell from 91.4% to 87.3%—a rather modest drop.
After that, a larger deluge! The pass rate dropped all the way to 81.2% for the 2020-2021 school year. There is no figure for the 2019-2020 school year—the year when Covid upended the basic operation of many public school systems.
In short, the drop in the pass rate was rather modest until Covid came along. Especially when you consider the various factors which can affect such a statistic, it's absurd to suggest that this modest drop in pass rate meant that "the science of reading" had come up with the one correct way to deal with kids who are reading poorly by the end of third grade.
It certainly doesn't justify this silly happy talk:
"In the K-12 wasteland, the good news is that we know not only where to apply the leverage, but also when...We know not only what to do and when to do it, but also how."
Daniels may truly believe those claims, but based on the evidence he supplies, the claims are hard to credit. That said, so what?
At the Post, they threw the happy talk into print. That said, our big newspapers have taken this feckless approach to issues of public school achievement levels since Hector was a pup.
Daniels' essay is a very weak imitation of capable analysis. At the Post, they almost surely didn't notice. It's clear that they didn't care.
Full disclosure! It's much more fun for journalists to spend their days and their nights talking about who's zoomin' who. As in the late Bronze Age, so too today:
We humans, including our "well-educated" journalists, are strongly inclined to focus on matters like that. When it comes to public schools, occasional charades of the type offered by Daniels have long been the hapless norm.
What's the best way to deal with third graders who are struggling? We don't have the slightest idea, in part because newspapers like the Post and the Times aren't comfortable with serious policy issues or with basic ideas.
You will, of course, never hear any such topic discussed on Blue America's favorite "cable news" channel. It simply isn't done.
Ideas are boring, and they're hard. Who's zoomin' who is fun!
The science of reading isn’t a policy of refusing to promote kids who can’t read. It’s teaching them to read by teaching them phonics.
ReplyDeleteThere is more to the science of reading than just phonics. For example, reading specialists know how to help students with reading disabilities. If a child has failed at reading, there are also emotional and motivational issues that a trained specialist can help overcome. Phonics works well for most students, but it isn't magic.
DeleteSo I should watch for the story on America’s favorite RED cable news channel?
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ReplyDeleteNo "social promotion" is just common sense, it seems to me. No need for a dissertation, especially in a newspaper article, to justify this opinion. It's just a common sense opinion.
Sometimes common sense is right, and sometimes it's wrong.
DeleteA controversial, counter-intuitive opinion needs serious justifications. A common sense one doesn't.
DeleteApplying "common sense," would an individual student be denied social promotion just once? Twice? As many times as necessary?
DeleteA typical third-grader is 8 or 9 years old. Does "common sense" allow 11-year-olds to start third grade? Thirteen-year-olds? If, at some point, your common sense says an older student is plainly out of place among third-graders, where do you send that student?
Here's a bit of common sense I've picked up in my many years: simple solutions to complicated problems usually leave unanswered questions.
This is untrue. Common sense may seem to be true because it appeals to what people think they know, but there are many counter-intuitive findings that are overturned by scientific studies, in all fields but including such things as physics, biology, psychology, and many areas of lives.
DeleteCommon sense said the sun and moon were the same size and that the earth was the center of the universe. Good thing someone was interested in testing such ideas.
Retention by itself is an example of doing the same thing over again but expecting a different result. Maturation doesn't provide much help if a child hasn't learned to read by grade 3.
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Delete"where do you send that student?"
"Special needs" school, I suppose. I wouldn't "socially promote" her, that's for sure. Would you? If not, what's your point?
@11:48 Special needs school? Did Gov. Daniels propose this? I don't think he did.
DeleteI think a proposal like the one you assume would be in place could be a good one. Gov. Daniels' "common sense" suggestion--at least as much of it as is discussed here--simply prevents a promotion. It seems to assume that repeating third grade will solve the problem.
Sorry. I meant @1:04.
DeleteAnd I think that "social promotion" is an idiotic and corrupt practice, and that most of everyone knows it. I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about.
DeleteWe are disagreeing about what to do with the kids held back.
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DeleteWe're disagreeing about the wisdom of former governor Mitch Daniels' policy prescription. There are times when holding a student back a year is adviseable. There are times when it isn't. Governor Daniels proposes to take the student, the parents, and the schools out of the decision-making process and replace them with a one-size-fits-all legislative solution.
As with so many "common sense" fixes to complex problems, Daniels' proposal is rigid, punative, and unlikely to produce the results he promises.
In my view, "social promotion" is not a "complex problem". It's a corrupt bureaucratic practice. And it has nothing to do with any "decision-making process".
DeleteIt's not complicated. There is a test, developed specifically for this purpose. Developing the test is the "decision-making process". You pass the test, you move up. You don't, you don't.
Here's an important item from Kevin. Assassinations are down, probably because of the phase-out of leaded gasoline. We'll soon see less violence in the Mideast, too.
ReplyDeletehttps://jabberwocking.com/assassinations-have-plunged-over-the-past-two-decades-why/
I thought that retention for failing students in 3rd grade was a success in Mississippi.
ReplyDeleteIt was a success because it was combined with special attention to those students retained. They received diagnosis of their reading difficulties coupled with one-on-one work with a reading specialist (the law there required each school to have such a specialist available). So the students didn't just do the same things over again, but had help overcoming the problems keeping them from learning the first time. Just repeating a grade doesn't do that by itself.
DeleteIn MS, there had been retention of students for a long time before they added the measures to address why students were failing. That included implementing a better curriculum coupled with actual teacher training in teaching reading, but also helping struggling students who failed to learn using that curriculum.
IMO itch Daniels's column as as much support as most opinion columns do. Bob is hypercritical, because he's an expert in this field.
ReplyDeleteYou’re right. Bob is hypercritical. We could add, he’s not hypocritical.
DeleteSomerby is not an expert in reading. He was a teacher but quit before modern methods were developed, missing the cognitive advances in understanding how children learn to read. Reading is taught in grades 1-3 but Somerby taught 5th grade & middle school math. His only training in teaching came from 6 weeks in the summer before he started, via Teach for America. None of that makes him any kind of expert in reading instruction.
DeleteBirubala Rabha has died.
ReplyDeleteBye-bye, Birubala.
DeleteSounds like the title of a movie musical.
DeleteIt seems crass to make fun of the name of someone who has just died. How might the friends and relatives of this person feel after reading your comment @11:52?
DeleteAnonymouse 11:52pm, it’s a type of cabbage grown in the Middle East and and a Yiddish nickname for your favorite aunt.
DeleteShe was Indian.
DeleteThey don’t like cabbage?
DeleteI don’t know how Indians feel about cabbage, but I think few of them have Yiddish names.
Deletehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birubala_Rabha
Cecelia never admits it when she is wrong.
DeleteBe patient with Cecelia. She’ll vote for Biden.
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DeleteAnonymouse 9:52am, and you couldn’t discern a joke from the wax in your ears
DeleteWhen a joke is not funny, some consider it polite to take it literally.
DeleteWhen someone is wrong and embarrassed about it, they will often then claim it was joke.
Take your pick, either way, no one really cares.
Anonymouse 12:34pm, the funniest thing about this is that you googled ““birubala”to see if it was a type of cabbage and if was Yiddish.
DeleteThe New York Times Magazine has a long report on settler violence. The extremists now run Israel.
ReplyDeleteThey have for awhile. Only now they have Brooklyn accents.
DeleteIf that’s the case, color it Israel from the river to the sea.
DeleteThey have many accents. Anyhow, here's the article. Read and learn.
Deletehttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html
I read it when it was published several weeks ago. There is always a silver lining. Brooklyn is the better for it.
DeleteThe piece that I read was a cover story for the Sunday magazine.
DeleteCecelia is correct, if one looks at the map of when Israel was proposed and then formed to now, you see the color of Israel spread across the land from the river to the sea. Israel has undertaken a methodical attempt to wipe out an entire group of people.
DeleteIt is interesting in a clinical sense, although the asymmetrical suffering caused by Israel is real, and on a scale rarely seen these days.
Anonymouse 12:30pm, I don’t know about the state of Israel, but if these settlers are from Brooklyn, they certainly will.
DeleteThis is not an unusual name:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.ancestry.com/1940-census/usa/Pennsylvania/Cecelia-Buck_phksq
All those parents misspelling the name Cecelia.
DeleteBut they spell Buck OK.
DeleteIt is unusual for a man to pretend to be a woman for the purpose of shit posting.
DeleteIt is not illegal, and it makes one look a bit foolish, but it is a manifestation of wounds. Sadly, those wounds will not be healed by such behavior, or by pity. Those wounds are carried on generation after generation, causing untold misery, until the chain can be broken.
Are you sure it was buck that they meant to spell?
DeleteAnonymouse 12:25pm, thoughts and prayers for your suffering.
Delete12:27 It is interesting observing you cope.
DeleteSad, too.
Anonymouse 12:31pm, it’s a blog board, not your emotional support group.
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