COMPLEXITY: "Always listen to others," he said!

TUESDAY, MAY 28, 2024

Also, "There's only one way you can vote:" We were perhaps a bit surprised by something we heard this morning.

Tomorrow, Judge Merchan will give his legal instruction to the jury in New York City. "It is expected to take about an hour," we heard Mika Brzezinski say.

(In the previous hour, we had heard Jonathan Lemire say the same thing.)

It's expected to take an hour? Just to explain the law under which Donald J. Trump is supposed to be judged? 

There's a lot of complexity in our world. Sometimes, we cast it aside.

We're going to spend some time this week attempting to explain the offense with which Donald J. Trump stands charged. A certain degree of complexity has been involved in those charges.

We're even going to show you the text of some of the New York state laws which are involved in this matter! Complexity can breed confusion, even concerning a case which has been heavily reported and endlessly pseudo-discussed.

For ourselves, we're sorry that charges were brought in this particular case. As a societal matter—in the interest of "our democracy"—we don't think there was anything wrong in paying Stormy Daniels to basically shut the heck up.

We don't think voters needed to hear her "tell her story." We've been stunned—occasionally, perhaps a bit embarrassed—to see so many of Blue America's high-end pundits parrot the opposite line.

A fair degree of complexity is involved in the legal charges against Donald J. Trump. We'll try to explore a few possible sources of confusion as the week proceeds.

First, though, we wanted to share something else we heard this morning. We want to share some basic excerpts from Ken Burn's commencement address.

Ken Burns is a good, decent person. He's also highly accomplished. Plainly, he knows a lot.

Last Sunday, he delivered Brandeis University's undergraduate commencement address. Excerpts from his remarks were played in the 6 o'clock hour on today's Morning Joe.

We agreed very strongly with some of the earlier excepts. You can read the full text here, but this is the first chunk we heard:

BURNS (5/19/24): For nearly 50 years now, I have diligently practiced and rigorously tried to maintain a conscious neutrality in my work, avoiding advocacy if I could, trying to speak to all of my fellow citizens. 

Over those many decades I've come to understand a significant fact, that we are not condemned to repeat, as the saying goes, what we don't remember.  That is a beautiful, even poetic phrase, but not true. Nor are there cycles of history, as the academic community periodically promotes. 

The Old Testament, Ecclesiastes to be specific, got it right, I think. "What has been will be again. What has been done will be done again. There is nothing new under the sun."

What those lines suggest is that human nature never changes, or almost never changes. We continually superimpose that complex and contradictory human nature over the seemingly random chaos of events, all of our inherent strengths and weaknesses, our greed and generosity, our puritanism and our prurience, our virtue and our venality parade before our eyes, generation after generation after generation. 

This often gives us the impression that history repeats itself. It does not. "No event has ever happened twice, it just rhymes," Mark Twain is supposed to have said. I have spent all of my professional life on the lookout for those rhymes, drawn inexorably to that power of history. 

Human nature never changes, he said—or if it does, it changes slowly. In the excerpts offered on Morning Joe, we then heard a part of the speech with which we strongly agreed:

BURNS: "The best arguments in the world," [the novelist Richard Powers recently] said, "Won't change a single person's point of view. The only thing that can do that is a good story." 

I've been struggling for most of my life to do that, to try to tell good, complex, sometimes contradictory stories, appreciating nuance and subtlety and undertow, sharing the confusion and consternation of unreconciled opposites.

But it's clear, as individuals and as a nation, we are dialectically preoccupied.  Everything is either right or wrong, red state or blue state, young or old, gay or straight, rich or poor, Palestinian or Israeli, my way or the highway. 

Everywhere, we are trapped by these old, tired, binary reactions, assumptions, and certainties. For filmmakers and faculty, students and citizens, that preoccupation is imprisoning. 

Still, we know and we hear and we express only arguments, and by so doing, we forget the inconvenient complexities of history and of human nature. 

We strongly agreed with what we thought we heard him say. We would have thought we heard him saying that there is always more than one side to every story.

As citizens, we shouldn't get trapped—"imprisoned"—by tired old certainties, we thought we heard him say. We can't ignore the inconvenient complexities with which we're all surrounded.

That's what we thought we heard him say. And then, the excerpts jumped ahead, and we saw Burns saying this:

BURNS: If I have learned anything over those years, it's that there's only "us." There is no "them." And whenever someone suggests to you, whomever it may be in your life, that there's a "them," run away. 

Othering is the simplistic, binary way to make and identify enemies, but it is also the surest way to your own self imprisonment. Which brings me to a moment I've dreaded and forces me to suspend my longstanding attempt at neutrality.

There is no real choice this November. There is only the perpetuation, however flawed and feeble you might perceive it, of our fragile 249-year-old experiment or the entropy that will engulf and destroy us if we take the other route. 

When, as Mercy Otis Warren would say, "The checks of conscience are thrown aside and a deformed picture of the soul is revealed." 

The presumptive Republican nominee is the opioid of all opioids, an easy cure for what some believe is the solution to our myriad pains and problems. When in fact with him, you end up re-enslaved with an even bigger problem, a worse affliction and addiction, "a bigger delusion," James Baldwin would say, the author and finisher of our national existence, our national suicide as Mr. Lincoln prophesies. 

Do not be seduced by easy equalization. There is nothing equal about this equation. We are at an existential crossroads in our political and civic lives. This is a choice that could not be clearer.

Everywhere, we're trapped by tired old certainties, we thought we'd heard Burns say. We mustn't forget the inconvenient complexities of history and of human nature. 

There is no such thing as us and them, we plainly did hear him say. Suddenly, though, we saw him say this:

There's only one way to vote this year. It's my way or the highway!

We'll be voting the same way Burns will. But so it goes with human nature, which doesn't much change over time.

For the record, we don't understand the logic of the turn he suddenly seemed to make. That doesn't mean that the turn he seemed to make was "wrong," although it theoretically could be.

Ken Burns is a good, decent person. At first, he had us cheering along. A bit later, all of a sudden, what he said surprised us.

Burns was largely discussing moral complexities in his address. There are also reams of legal complexities in the law and in the various ways it works.

We'll try to address a few of those complexities this week. That said:

In our view, most of us people are people people. We're inclined to behave in ways which are old and very familiar.

Before the week is done: "I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours," we once heard someone say.


130 comments:

  1. Michael Sugrue, Stanley Goldstein, and Ángeles Flórez Peón have died.

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    1. so? what's your point? how is it relevant to anything ever discussed here?

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  2. I refuse to otherize Ken Burns.

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  3. This is how Somerby begins his essay today:

    "Also, "There's only one way you can vote:" We were perhaps a bit surprised by something we heard this morning.

    Tomorrow, Judge Merchan will give his legal instruction to the jury in New York City. "It is expected to take about an hour," we heard Mika Brzezinski say."

    Who said the first quote? Was it Trump or was it part of the judge's instruction to the jury? You cannot tell from Somerby's essay. He doesn't attribute his headline: "COMPLEXITY: "Always listen to others," he said!" and he doesn't attribute that first sentence either.

    We are left with the impression that the judge is giving inappropriate directives to the jury. Is that accidental carelessness on Somerby's part or is it deliberate lying?

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    1. Carelessness or lying? I think there’s a third possibility - you might have some difficulty with reading comprehension.

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    2. Reading comprehension is racist.

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    3. So who said those two quotes?

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    4. firsat one is ken burns, you just need to read it to see that

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    5. This is your guess AC/MA. You think that the meaning is similar to what Burns is credited with saying below, but does that mean he said it? Maybe, maybe not. When you enclose a statement in quote marks, it means someone is being quoted. There is nothing below in Burns' excerpt that is the quoted sentence at the beginning of Somerby's essay.

      What about the other one?

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    6. Somerby misinterpreting and misquoting is a daily occurrence. He is bummed that one of his heroes is more enlightened than he is, and reacting poorly to it.

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    7. 9:49

      Thank you for your comment here. I noticed that you presented only two possibilities for the lack of attribution in Somerby's post: "accidental carelessness" or "deliberate lying." Might there be other explanations as well, such as a stylistic choice, an oversight, or the assumption that the context would make the source clear?

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    8. Obviously, it is a stylistic choice, but one he makes regularly. Why would someone deliberately leave off the attribution while quoting? None of your additional suggestions (oversight, etc.) makes any sense except as a propagandistic device. I do not believe he is forgetting to include the attributions. I believe he routinely does it on purpose. Just as Somerby loves to ignore context and often fails to provide it, the name of the author of a statement provides a context for interpreting its meaning. Somerby wishes us to accept or consider an alternative meaning -- perhaps his own. So, I think it is a deliberate device. But the problem is that doing this is not only disrespectful to the actual author of a statement but also dishonest when that meaning is changed to fit Somerby's needs.

      Somerby is being tricksy and his readers deserve to know what he is doing.

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    9. 3:25. I agree. Although a lack of attribution might not change the main argument of Somerby's post, it can impact its credibility for some readers which can be so frustrating. A clear attribution would have helped avoid any misunderstandings and misinterpretations.

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    10. Thank you -- note how AC/MA below is attributing the statement to Burns, when those words are not contained in the excerpt that is an actual quote. So Somerby's ploy was successful at creating confusion, at least for AC/MA.

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    11. You're welcome. I will take note of the successful, confusion-creating ploy.

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  4. Netanyahu and the Mossad tried to intimidate an International Criminal Court prosecutor:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/28/israeli-spy-chief-icc-prosecutor-war-crimes-inquiry

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    1. In 1967 Israel deliberately attacked and destroyed an American Navy spy ship, killing 34 and wounding over 170.

      Israel claimed it was a case of mistaken identity, however, the evidence does not support this conclusion. Most likely, Israel wanted to hide their military aggression towards Arab targets, such as their conquest of the Golan Heights.

      Zionists have spent over a hundred years and millions of dollars in the US, buying right wing politicians to be their puppets.

      Israel has been laughing all the way to the bank (in more ways than one) at how easy it has been to manipulate American discourse and politics, something Putin took note of.

      Right wingers are easier to manipulate because their views are primarily dependent on their emotional state, Somerby is just part of that continuum.

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    2. Wow, Corby -- "Zionists"? Your word-salads switched to the opposite, in just a few weeks.

      What happened there, is hasbara not paying well?

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    3. The headline says the Mossad chief "threatened" the ICC prosecutor, but it never says what the alleged threat was.

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    4. The word "Zionists"" should not be used, because its meaning today is unclear. Before Israel existed, Zionists were people who wanted a Jewish state. But, since Israel now exists, there's no clear meaning. It might mean
      -- those who want Israel to not be destroyed
      -- those who want to mistreat Palestinians
      -- All Jews

      It's generally meant as a pejorative, and it leads to antisemitism. Suppose one thinks Israel's policies in Gaza are wrong. So s/he criticize the "Zionists". But, then that criticism winds up applying to all Jews, because of the ambiguity of the word.

      This is not just theoretical. Some people opposed to Israel's behavior are attacking Jews on some campuses.

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    5. An example of what i mean from Columbia University
      Protesters set up an unauthorized encampment on South Lawn and defied the administration’s demands to shut it down. “We don’t want no Zionists here!” they screamed into bullhorns. “Globalize the intifada!” Jewish students said they were barred from clubs, assaulted, threatened and spat on for speaking Hebrew.

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    6. “it never says what the alleged threat was.”

      From the article:

      “According to accounts shared with ICC officials, he [Yossi Cohen, former head of the Mossad] is alleged to have told her [Fatou Bensouda, the ICC’s then prosecutor] : “You should help us and let us take care of you. You don’t want to be getting into things that could compromise your security or that of your family.””

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    7. Zionism is the notion of a Jewish ethnocracy, it is as immoral as are all ethnocracies; anti-zionism is not antisemitic, as most Jews in the world do not support zionism, and in fact zionism is endorsed by many antisemitics who want Jews segregated and want a return of Jesus.

      Netanyahu's government was bold enough a few years ago to pass a law called "Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People", an in your face endorsement of racism.

      Israel is a country obsessed with dominance, they see America as a servant to their needs and are laughing at how easily this is achieved; these are wayward people and it has nothing to do with their ethnicity, they primarily function as right wingers, not Jews.

      Like all groups, Jews are not a monolith, but most Jews are liberal/progressives/leftists that are opposed to Israeli apartheid.

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  5. "We'll be voting the same way Burns will."

    Who cares. What's important is this: will you have enough mules?

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    1. Trump is now trying to walk back his complaint about mail-in voting because "in-person voting only" will hurt him at the polls and he wants to win. No evidence of mules has been proven -- the movie was a lie.

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    2. Dinesh D'Souza is a very fine felon, right.

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  6. "For ourselves, we're sorry that charges were brought in this particular case. As a societal matter—in the interest of "our democracy"—we don't think there was anything wrong in paying Stormy Daniels to basically shut the heck up."

    For the 10 millionth time, Trump has not been charged with paying to hush Stormy Daniels. If Somerby claims he will explain the charges but doesn't understand this basic fact, what can he possibly say that will be correct?

    And what can paying someone to shut up have to do with democracy?

    Somerby appears to have gone off the deep end today.

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    1. It has been a long decline for Somerby, some date it back to 2015, although one could start seeing cracks back when he defended Bush's phony excuse for the Iraq war.

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    2. anon 9;53, hold on a minute. It's true the charge against the ex-POTUS arises from a NY statute making the falsifying f business records (with intent to defraud) a crime - and it's a felony, if the falsified records are intended to conceal another crime - the other crime being paying off Daniels, which is a crime (allegedly) because the payment violated campaign laws. So the payment to Daniels is a component of the charges.

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    3. Yes, but it’s the violation of campaign laws that is central to the case, not hushing up Stormy Daniels. Somerby sees nothing wrong in it, so apparently, he doesn’t think there was a campaign violation, or if there was, he’s saying it’s ok with him, as long as Daniels was shut up.

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    4. You are confused about what the "other crime" being claimed by the prosecution was. There are several. The judge has already ruled that the jury need not agree on which ones were proven, but it is sufficient if they believe Trump is guilty of at least one of the other crimes. That would make the misdemeanor charges of falsification of records into felonies. Sleeping with a porn star is not one of the other crimes and neither is giving her hush money to silence her.

      Somerby has been ignoring the other crimes entirely and instead focusing on whether sleeping with Stormy was a crime, or paying her, neither of which is part of the case against Trump.

      This is Somerby's current strawman. He thinks that if readers agree that paying off Stormy was no crime, then they will believe the entire case is manufactured for political purposes to get Trump.

      This has been pointed out here repeatedly. Why are you still a broken record about it yourself, after claiming to be an attorney yourself?

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    5. The entire case was manufactured for political purposes to get Trump.
      You know it. I know it. The whole world knows that.

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    6. If the case was manufactured for political purposes, where did all of that evidence come from that was presented at trial? It shows clearly that Trump committed several crimes. It is the prosecutor's job to "manufacture" a case, but there wouldn't be a case if there weren't witnesses and documents showing that Trump did the things he is being charged with. And where is the defense evidence?

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    7. It's about falsifying business records. It has nothing to do with paying off the star of Trailer Trash Nurses Volume 6 who played an amazing hot blonde nurse with big tits and nice body that sucks massive cock like a pro and takes this big cock in her pussy and rides it nicely before he cums in her mouth.

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    8. We need to have our facts straight about the case.

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    9. Just because the defendant, a rapist, is on record about wanting to fuck his own daughter, that doesn't mean that's the reason the defendant, a rapist, is being charged for his criminal activity.

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    10. Exactly - the case accuses a democracy-endangering rapist who suggests he’s Hitler of falsifying business records related to the election interference he committed after paying off the actress that played a “classy cumswapping skank who loves sharing dick” in Grand Theft Orgy three. We’re on the same page.

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    11. Exactly. You'd have to be a bullshitter or a moron to still claim you don't understand it.

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    12. Totally. He was planning an attempted coup while giving polling data to Russia spies to prove the suggestion he was Hitler but she was threatening to spill the beans about the time she took his rapist hot cock for a pussy pounding and sucked and fucked his hard rapist cock until he exploded on her nice, big juicy voluptuous tits so she signed a NDA but it fell apart so he had to commit felonies.

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    13. Trump yelling "Surrender Ivanka" when he exploded on her chest is the "icing" on the cake, yes?

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    14. Fuck Trump.
      If i wanted a President with hands his size, i'd vote for my three-year old niece.

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  7. "Nor are there cycles of history, as the academic community periodically promotes."

    This was a theory several hundred years ago, but I don't know of any recent historians who are promoting the idea of cycles of history. It is obsolete and discredited by historians themselves.

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  8. Once again Somerby superimposes his own views onto those of Burns, such as when he says Burns was discussing moral complexities not historical ones, and then equates those with legal complexities in Trump's trial. He does the same when he claims that Burns is demanding that graduates vote his way -- "my way or the highway" Somerby says Burns said. Somerby uses Burns to justify his own belief that human nature is fixed and doesn't change (except slowly) across time. But behavior is also contextual and context certainly changes with time. The past has never seen the technology we have today or will have in the next 30 years. Somerby says Burns tells us not to despite the Others, but Burns says no such thing.

    The tendency Somerby has of blurring the lines between who said what and who thought what, makes it difficult to separate the threads of what Burns actually meant and where Somerby's ideas merge and distort Burns' ideas. Somerby could not be a historian or a reporter without the ability to keep himself out of whatever he is studying or reporting, or reading (as when he projects his ideas onto the Illiad). But Somerby never says directly what he believes, so the reader here must guess whether he is quoting Burns because he agrees, disagrees, wants us to marvel or wants us to recoil, or is neutral (as Burns claims to be).

    But the bottom line seems to be that when Burns commands us to vote for Biden (whose name is never mentioned) because there is only one choice, and Somerby makes that same choice, it is in the context of a complexity Somerby says he will describe and yet cannot untangle (because he won't try) so that Trump's guilt cannot be ascertained and his innocence is preserved, while Somerby claims Burns is destroying democracy and being a dictator of views (the same choice Somerby says he will make, if you believe him). Somerby proclaims Trump a victim of complexity while denigrating Burns' efforts because storytelling is bad, while pretending Burns is a historian when he is in fact an entertainer.

    In a democracy, Burns is entitled to his own opinions, just as we all are. Somerby pretends that by telling students what he thinks, Burns is being the dictator. If you watched the American Buffalo series, there was nothing neutral about it. It was definitely pro-Buffalo, and thereby pro-Indian and anti-massacre. And there was no moral ambiguity, just as Burns left none in his address to graduates. And there is no requirement that any commencement speaker maintain objectivity or neutrality. They are there to guide the young as they leave the shelter of school and enter their adult worlds. Burns apparently did that. Somerby has never been capable of that task, in my opinion.

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    1. “Somerby pretends that … Burns is being the dictator.”

      There’s a take.

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    2. 11:11: This is Somerby’s paraphrase of Burns:
      “ There's only one way to vote this year. It's my way or the highway!”

      That cheapens and trivializes what Burns actually said. It makes him sound like a two-bit authoritarian.

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    3. Isn't "my way or the highway" dictator behavior? Somerby attributes that to Burns.

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    4. Agree, Somerby is attempting to manufacture ignorance, but even with that empty goal, he is incompetent.

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    5. Kudos to Somerby for not allowing his opposition to Trump to totally tarnish his thought processes.

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    6. David, Burns may be right, in which case it’s Somerby who isn’t thinking clearly.

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    7. anon 10:15, talk about the frying pan calling the kettle black. You distort and mischaracterize the blogger's post. He doesn't call Burns a "dictator." You made that up. The blogger' says that it seemed to him that Burns "seemed to make" a surprising "turn" of logic, given what he had been saying before, when he said there was only one way to vote in the upcoming election. The blogger further noted that he didn't mean to say Burns was "wrong" here, though that could "theoretically" be the case. (Not unreasonable to conclude from this that the blogger did think this).The blogger does not say that Burns is destroying democracy by being a dictator, or that Trump's guilt can't be determined (presumably by the jury) nor that trump is a "victim of complexity." You are projecting, making this up. I will project a bit, that you are unable to appreciate that there is ambiguity when it comes to evaluating the issues of the day, plus you don't seem to recognize when you are projecting, basing your conclusions on distortions of what the blogger says.

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    8. Ac, Burns did not say “ There's only one way to vote this year. It's my way or the highway!” That is Somerby’s paraphrase, which belittles Burns’ speech.

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    9. Somerby is the one who said there is only one way to vote this year. It is right there at the head of his essay:

      "Also, "There's only one way you can vote:" We were perhaps a bit surprised by something we heard this morning."

      Burns did not say it. But Somerby tries to make it appear he did, by leaving off the attribution (the name of the person who actually said these words). And if it is Somerby's paraphrase instead of something Burns said, it shouldn't be enclosed in quote marks.

      This is how Somerby misleads his readers and causes confusion, enabling AC to malign Burns.

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  9. I have millions of word-salads and I swear: Somerby's blog will not be underspammed. I sniff my fingers. Somerby is not a liberal.

    I am Corby.

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  10. Somerby is incompetent to discuss the complexities of Trump's trial if he couldn't understand the complexities of what Burns and Baldwin said, as he plainly did not.

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    1. And yet you continue to read him day after day.

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    2. TDH is THE place to learn what the Right-wing Grievance of the Day is.
      Why would anyone give that up?

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    3. The small cadre of right wing TDH fanboys can not emotionally handle criticism of their heroes, they want a safe space where they can own the libs with impunity.

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    4. If you think I’m right-wing you have seriously compromised reasoning skills.

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    5. Have you ever said anything liberal, piper? Defending Somerby doesn’t count.

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    6. Piper has adopted Somerby's tactic of claiming to be liberal. David in Cal claimed that at first too, saying he used to be a Democrat.

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    7. 12:42 - How about this from just yesterday: "I think the red tribe loves America, but not Americans." Does that sound like a right-winger to you?

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    8. anon 12:09, you repeatedly use that mindless rhetorical device that anyone who defends TDH can't emotionally handle "criticism" of their heroes" and "want a safe space where they can own the libs." It couldn't possibly be that they are trying to take a pro-sanity position., What total BS. You've got the insight of a clam.

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    9. Ac, in light of Burns’ belief that the election of Trump would be the end of democracy in the US, the pro-sanity position would be Burns’, not Somerby’s.

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    10. AC/ MA,
      Any idea when Somerby will make his case that the media isn't report the charges against Trump in a way that can be understood?
      I say it will never happen. What say you?

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    11. These blue mice believe that all blues think like they do.

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    12. Piper, how does your comment address Burns’ argument, which “surprised” Somerby, to the point of him wrongly paraphrasing it? Do you or Somerby not agree that Trump’s election could have dire consequences, such as ending democracy as we know it? If you do, then you cannot fault Burns. Otherwise, can you or Somerby lay out your reasons why Burns is wrong?

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    13. I mean, for God’s sake, in today’s second post, Somerby once again claims Trump is severely mentally ill. How is that not a hair on fire realization that proves Burns is right?

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    14. I will even post this as a non anon, since that seems to allow you to ignore the substance:

      I mean, for God’s sake, in today’s second post, Somerby once again claims Trump is severely mentally ill. How is that not a hair on fire realization that proves Burns is right?

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    15. Seven - I don't know why I should explain Somerby's reasoning to someone who insults me deeply by calling me a right-winger. But here goes, in what I feel is surely an act of futility:

      "For the record, we don't understand the logic of the turn he suddenly seemed to make. That doesn't mean that the turn he seemed to make was 'wrong,' although it theoretically could be."

      Burns said it was important for him to be neutral, so he could talk to all and also because the process of otherizing creates a self-prison. Then he abruptly pivoted and said that in this case there is only one choice - vote for Biden. What Somerby said is that this pivot may not be "wrong," but that it is puzzling.

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    16. “Burns said it was important for him to be neutral”

      No, piper. That isn’t what Burns said. He said: “For nearly 50 years now, I have diligently practiced and rigorously tried to maintain a conscious neutrality in my work, avoiding advocacy if I could, trying to speak to all of my fellow citizens.”

      And he goes on to explain why he can no longer remain neutral. It’s only puzzling to someone who fails to comprehend Burns’ argument.

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    17. Oh, and by the way - I appreciate your using a nym so I know who I'm talking to.

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    18. It is the same type of mealy mouthed rhetoric Somerby applied when defending Bush's march to war with Iraq. When one reads Somerby regularly, one can start to see how he uses rhetoric to push a right wing agenda, an agenda to manufacture ignorance. If one limits themselves to ignoring context and taking things literally and at face value, more power to them, but they are doing themselves a disservice and are misunderstanding what Somerby is attempting.

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    19. You're the the "manufacturing ignorance" mouse? I don't want to engage.

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    20. You're the self hating right winger that is only here to troll and trigger, and spew hate when you are challenged.

      You've never engaged, not in good faith.

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    21. The minute you supply a nym, Pied Piper and the other right wingers here will start attacking you in other ways. Look what they did to Corby. Pied Piper is making up his own names (manufacturing ignorance mouse) in order to disparage @3:28, who makes a good point. These guys need names because they won't deal with the content of comments.

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    22. You may want to wipe the spittle from the side of your mouth.

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    23. See what I mean?

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  11. Melania has not attended Trump's trial because he is involved in too many lawsuits for her to attend them all. That is their supposed excuse for her absence.

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  12. Ken Burns’s work is incredible. His principles are admirable, Yet all humans can get caught up in a.kind of war fever. Sad.😞

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    1. Caught up in a kind of war fever. Look in your mirror, Dave.

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    2. Whether it's protesting Israel's genocide of Palestinians, or that black people's votes counted in the 2020 Presidential election, both sides are making the most of their First Amendment free speech rights.

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    3. David, is it just “war fever” with Burns? Do you feel he has a point about the dangers of electing Trump, or not?

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    4. The "tell" is Burns's mentioning it at all in a commencement speech. A Presidential endorsement is inappropriate there. Another "tell" is his acknowledgement that the Trump statement violeates his lifetime principles -- principles that he has been endorsing his speech

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    5. One wonders how many in that audience were going to vote for Trump, likely zero.

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    6. His lifetime principles include a devotion to democracy, which he genuinely feels is in danger of Trump is elected. You didn’t address that. How someone who feels that way can remain silent and “take no sides” is inconceivable, isn’t it?

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    7. “…of Trump” should be “…if Trump” and the comment was directed at DiC.

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    8. @12:08 - Your argument underlies a series of jokes. The person who puts mashed potatoes in his ears to prevent a comet from hitting the earth says he's not crazy; it's everyone else who's crazy.

      If it were 2016, it might be reasonable to think Trump's election would end democracy. Trump was an unknown. But, we now know that democracy survived 4 years of President Trump, so I don't think it's reasonable to think that Trump's 2nd term would end democracy.

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    9. But others do, David. They argue that Trump now knows how to implement his will, and he now has the backing of large parts of the GOP. His attempts to overthrow the 2020 election, and the GOP’s efforts to help him, along with the mob on Jan 6, coupled with Trump’s increasing violent and eliminationist rhetoric lead many to be concerned, I think genuinely. And it isn’t just liberals. It’s also a fair number of Republicans or former Republicans sounding the alarm. Maybe you’re the one with your ears stopped up and your eyes closed, constantly telling us here how Trump is just a big joker, and that his rabble rousing is just effective political speech.

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    10. They have a plan this time:

      https://www.heritage.org/press/project-2025-publishes-comprehensive-policy-guide-mandate-leadership-the-conservative-promise

      If you read this and think it would be a bad idea to implement such changes, vote Democratic, vote for Biden.

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    11. Quaker in a BasementMay 28, 2024 at 1:11 PM

      "But, we now know that democracy survived 4 years of President Trump,"

      Only barely. He tried very hard to negate the results of a national election he had lost. He came close to succeeding.

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    12. we now know that democracy survived 4 years of President Trump,

      I don't understand this argument. We also now know that Trump is capable of plotting to steal the election. Who the fuck would be comfortable handing the most powerful office in the world to someone who was capable of doing that? To someone who was fucking impeached for having done that? It boggles the mind.

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    13. Everyone knows Hitler had a better sense of humor than Trump.

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    14. Quaker --"Only barely". No. Can you lay out a scenario whereby Trump's admittedly awful behavior on Jan 6 could have allowed him to remain as President? Would the government and the military and the media have allowed such a thing? Of course not.

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    15. It was more than Jan 6, David. He started trying in November to overturn the election. He called the GA SOS demanding more votes. Fake elector lists were sent in. They tried to demand that pence refuse to certify the 2020 results…your cavalier attitude about this is appalling, David. You would never have accepted it if Obama had tried to intervene to put hillary in office using similar slimy tactics back in 2016, and you shouldn’t have!

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    16. Trump tried very hard to go to the capitol and lead his people, intending to proclaim his victory from the capitol steps. The Secret Service prevented that by refusing to drive him there. There are reports of a physical struggle without in the car. Experts who study authoritarian dictatorships say that had he been able to do that (coupled with Pence refusing to ratify the election results), he might have been able to overturn the election. Recall that there were militia groups waiting for his orders in motels immediately outside DC with weapon caches. Recall also that Trump planted people in the military in order to demand that they stand down should they succeed in overturning the election.

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    17. Quaker in a BasementMay 28, 2024 at 7:20 PM

      "Can you lay out a scenario whereby Trump's admittedly awful behavior on Jan 6 could have allowed him to remain as President?"

      More than one.

      If Pence follows Trump's orders and "sets aside" the votes for certian disputed states, no candidate receives a majority. The election is referred to the House with one voter per state. Republican delegations are in the majority in 26 states.

      This is why Trump was quoted as telling Pence, "Just say it's corrupt and leave it to me and the House Republicans."

      Alternately, the riot doesn't end in time for Congress to complete its tally of electoral college votes in accordance with constitutional process. Once again, the validity of the count falls into dispute and the House steps in.

      Third, and most extreme, Trump invokes the Insurrection Act. All bets are off. This isn't farfetched. It was discussed by Trump's inner circle during the runup to January 6.

      So yes, I *can* lay out a scenario in which Trump's attempted coup succeeds. I don't want to see him get another try at it.

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    18. Added:

      "Would the government and the military and the media have allowed such a thing? Of course not."

      That's not who I want to rely on for a peaceful transfer of government power. Candidates for president have yielded to the decision of voters for more than 200 years. Until 2020.

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    19. We know the Supreme Court would it. That's for sure.

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    20. We know the Supreme Court would allow it. That's for sure.

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    21. Trump literally was one branch of "the government" and CIC of the "military". As far as "the media" is concerned, did you forget Fox News was deeply involved in promoting the big lie and lost a defamation suit to the tune of nearly a billion dollars, and is being sued by a second company. Yeah, I think the media would have gone along.

      Something people fail to realize is that Trump was banking on getting at least one state like Georgia to pull their slate of electors. If that happened the entire mainstream media would have excitedly fueled the chaos. Trump knew.

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  13. Texas Republicans want one-party rule and compulsory Christianity.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/25/texas-republican-party-convention-platform/

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  14. “There's only one way to vote this year. It's my way or the highway!”

    That’s a facile and inaccurate paraphrase of Burns. Clearly, Burns feels the election of Trump would represent a potential extinction-level event for American democracy. If he truly feels that way, there is no other option for him but to advocate for a vote that averts that disaster.

    I can’t recall Somerby analyzing this sort of stance, but Burns’ advice shouldn’t come as a surprise. Indeed, the polarization that Burns discusses and laments has led to the situation he now believes we face, and that leaves us, in his view, with no choice.

    Lincoln talked about respecting others and how everyone shared in the responsibility for slavery, but he didn’t hesitate to pursue the total defeat of the South in order to force them to remain in the US. The two views are not really contradictory.

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    1. I blame climate change.

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    2. The Right blames the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.

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    3. Somerby routinely misinterprets Lincoln.

      Although Lincoln did state that he thought Black people were inferior to Whites, he thought slave labor was horrible, and he was merciless in his defeat of the irredeemable slavers.

      Lincoln's Second Inaugural was about fatalism, God's retribution, and divine providence, not mutual respect and responsibility. Lincoln stated "the prayer of both could not be answered".

      Lincoln did not endorse a "can't we all get along" view.

      Even before the war, Lincoln, in a famous speech, proclaimed that the US "will become all one thing, or all the other".

      As the war on slavery was ending, Lincoln was evolving his concerns towards wage slavery, and was promptly shot in the head.

      In an eerie rhyme of history, Lincoln gave a famous speech near the start of his political career, responding to a young black man being murdered by a mob in St Louis, warning "let every American, every lover of liberty, every well wisher to his posterity, swear by the blood of the Revolution, never to violate in the least particular, the laws of the country; and never to tolerate their violation by others", otherwise we risk being overtaken by a tyrant. It brings to mind Michael Brown, Jan 6, and Trump; Lincoln would have supported the prosecution of Trump.

      Somerby seems badly ignorant of history and human nature, relying on storytellers instead of empiricism and science.

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  15. So odd that someone who interviews people for a living would advise listening to others.

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  16. Ono of the things that upsets me is the media treating the trial as if it's normal. Nobody has ever been charged like this. This set of charges was specifically selected to harm the opposing candidate. The trial represents a radical shift in our government.

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    1. I don’t recall Trump running for DA against Alvin Bragg. News to me.

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    2. Prosecutors Met With Biden Admin Before 3 Trump Indictments
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/prosecutors-met-with-biden-admin-before-3-trump-indictments/ar-BB1irUaf

      BTW the source is a liberal organ

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    3. MSN is not a liberal organ. It is Microsoft news.

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    4. It’s just innuendo, David. James indicted Trump 9/21/2022. Trump didn’t announce his candidacy until 11/15/2022.

      The article says Bragg met with “federal law enforcement”, which, by the way, isn’t the “Biden administration.” For all we know, he wanted to discuss the logistics of indicting and prosecuting someone who is under federal secret service protection.

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    5. If you read the linked article, it says the info came from White House logs via Rudy Giuliani in 2023.

      “There is no legitimate purpose for a line [DOJ] guy to be meeting with the White House except if it’s coordinated by the highest levels,” said former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani to the Post,"

      The report also says this, which contradicts David's assertion (which comes from Giuliani, not any liberal source):

      "Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel [Jack Smith], said Bratt was at the White House for a “case-related interview” but declined to comment further.

      A person with knowledge of the 2023 visit insisted that it was “an interview of a career official who was also working at the White House during the Trump Administration.”

      It says nothing about Bragg or the hush money trial or the GA trial (which is a state trial, not federal).

      This is another cooked up right wing attack on Biden based on nothing except an FBI visiting the White House to interview someone who was case-related to the classified documents case (already in progress) and not to Biden or any of his top staff.

      What is the point of posting lies like this and saying they show something that they do not, when you actually read the link? It wastes everyone's time and creates a false impression.

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    6. The next Right-wing argument made in good faith will be the first.

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    7. @DiC

      "Liberal organ?"

      That story was picked up by MSN from something called State of the Union. Check it out here and tell me how "liberal" it is:

      https://www.stateofunion.org/

      Then try to find out anything at all about the person who supposedly wrote the article. "Andrew Rodriguez," journalist, has a suspiciously thin back trail.

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    8. Good sleuthing/debunking.

      Furthermore, this case is in fact the "bread and butter" of the DANY, prosecuting over a hundred of these cases per year, including cases involving election interference and violations of campaign finance laws.

      The radical shift is from Republicans, supposedly the party of law and order, who want to handwave Trump's crimes and corruption.

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  17. "Trump Suggests He’s Hitler In Pitch to Donors
    May 28, 2024 at 12:11 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

    Donald Trump promised a roomful of wealthy donors that he would crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses.

    Said Trump: “Well, if you get me elected, and you should really be doing this, if you get me reelected, we’re going to set that movement back 25 or 30 years.”

    It’s part of his campaign’s effort to appeal to Jewish donors who think the Democratic party is not strong enough in supporting Israel.

    However, since Trump is intellectually lazy and rarely thinks through anything he says, his pitch to these donors used an analogy in which he is literally Hitler.

    Said Trump: “And you know, you go back through history, this is like just before the Holocaust. I swear. If you look, it’s the same thing. You had a weak president or head of the country. And it just built and built. And then, all of a sudden, you ended up with Hitler. You ended up with a problem like nobody knew.”

    Somerby tries to compare Burns to a dictator, but this is what an actual wannabe dictator sounds like. And Trump is right. Just as people should have stopped Hitler early on, we should be stopping Trump in November by voting for Biden. Note that you cannot keep Trump out of office without voting for Biden and to do that, people should not be so squeamish about saying Biden's name and talking about his accomplishments.

    Burns did not mention Biden in that excerpt because of concerns like David's that it might not be appropriate to campaign for a person instead of for ideals, but Somerby NEVER mentions Biden or any of his accomplishments, never talks about Biden as the way to stop Trump. And that, coupled with his repetition of right wing talking points and memes, is why I suspect he is not here to stop Trump and advance Biden at all. His behavior suggests the opposite of his coy hints about who he will vote for. An actual supporter of Biden would say his name as often as possible.

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  18. "Before the week is done: "I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours," we once heard someone say."

    Bob Dylan said that. He deserves to have his song lyrics attributed to him, especially when the continuation of that line is "I said that."

    It is not cute or funny or clever when Somerby borrows other people's sayings, even famous ones, without attributing them to the guy who originated them, including this particular Nobel Prize winner (in Literature).

    Some of us suspect that Somerby throws these references into his essays in order to establish some sort of liberal cred. We aren't fooled. Hitler and his crew hid behind Friedrich Nietzsche before they repurposed the swastika.

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    1. On the other hand, Bob has bungled the meaning of Dylan lyrics so often it might be better when he leaves him alone.

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  19. No ex president has been charged with disobeying three orders to hand over top secret documents he stole from the government. And in fact, instructing his underlings to hide them.

    No ex president has been charged with having a principle role in obstructing a peaceful exchange of power after losing an election.

    So by your logic, it is inappropriate to charge Trump with campaign finance law crime because there is no prior ex president to have been so charged. Or to charge him with the other crimes, for that matter. Or, by your logic, any crime not accused of a former president.There is a long list of crimes prior presidents have not been accused of committing. I take it that we should automatically absolve him if photos show him sodomizing the Thanksgiving White House turkey. Which, of the above, would be the least of his crimes.





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  20. TDH, it's not the least surprising or unusual that the judge's charge to the jury would take an hour (or more) There's a lot the judge has to cover.

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  21. How does Mika know how long the jury instructions will last?

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  22. “we don't understand the logic of the turn he suddenly seemed to make.”

    Burns explains it. Trump is a would be tyrant who, along with his party, would extinguish democracy and fair elections.

    And Somerby doesn’t understand that logic? He who believes Trump is severely mentally ill? The prospect of that doesn’t help you comprehend what Burns means?

    I mean, you can disagree with Burns, but his logic seems perfectly understandable.

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  23. Trump spent last week lying about his crowd sizes, and then spent the weekend at a Nascar race where he faked being adored by a crowd that was actually ignoring him.

    It was a weird thing to observe.

    Why is Trump so desperate? It suggests insider knowledge that his campaign is not doing well.

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    1. There could be multiple explanations for his behavior beyond the one you are assuming.

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    2. Occam's razor:
      Trump's audience is a bunch of gullible morons who believe everything he says.

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    3. Occam is a splendid barber.

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  24. The sheer idiocy, legal and moral, of Bob's opening today may be what he is best remembered for. What a bitter, stupid, hapless old fool Bob is.

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