FRIDAY, MARCH 28, 2025
When Cain met Peter Navarro: We tried, and we failed, in this week's reports, to do real justice to what we saw last Sunday morning on the Fox News Channel.
We refer to what we saw on that morning's Fox & Friends Weekend program. We mentioned the instant "Tampon Tim" play by co-host Rachel Campos Duffy.
We mentioned Lisa Boothe's astonishing comments about who is, and who isn't, "pure evil."
We mentioned what happened late in the 6 o'clock hour when Campos-Duffy invited us to bow our heads and join her in a prayer from Hallow, an explicitly Catholic prayer app.
It was part of the continuing "Fox & Friends Prayer Series," we were told. Based on certain clues and hints, it may be that this highly unusual prayer series takes place during Lent each year. For access to a daily prayer at the Hallow app, it's $69.99 per year.
Also this:
Today, we tried to tell you about the way the friends kept returning to the political well—to the ongoing debate about transgender sports, a political "gift that just keeps giving" to the incumbent president.
The friends chuckled about the political fruits of this amazing gift. In that assessment, the friends were completely right.
Looking back over our notes, we see that we failed to get to several other aspects of that day's first hour. We specifically think of the friends' ruminations on the (criminal) arson attacks on several Tesla dealerships.
Included was rank, unfounded speculation about who must be paying the arsonists to engage in these attacks, or just to stage protest events outside other Tesla dealerships.
Co-host Charlie Hurt ruminated about these imagined "Rent-a-Protestrors"—about the way they "contribute nothing," and are just a bunch of "wackos." This started at 6:07 a.m., even before the "Tampon Tim" jibe at 6:11 a.m.
After that, we were invited to join these employees in prayer.
This program is pure propaganda, all the way down. On a channel like the Fox News Channel, there's really no discourse except faux discourse. The group propaganda runs all day long, and then on into the night.
Especially at the current time, the agitprop is coming from a firehose. There is no possible way to keep up. For one example of this endless stream, consider the foolishness which went on the air yesterday afternoon at 4 o'clock sharp.
Right through last November's election, Will Cain was one of the three co-hosts of the Fox & Friends Weekend show. Then, the Fox News Channel joined President Trump in breaking that gang of mine up:
Co-host Pete Hegseth was plucked from the cast—was airlifted off to his current assignment. Co-host Cain was also removed. He now hosts the hourlong Will Cain Show at 4 p.m. Eastern each weekday afternoon
Cain has plenty of IQ points. Unlike Campos-Duffy and Hegseth, he isn't some sort of religionist.
Yesterday, there was Peter Navarro, booked as Cain's first guest. At 4:04 p.m., the chyron said this:
TRUMP ANNOUNCES 25% TARIFF ON CAR IMPORTS
That was the topic, and there stood Navarro, right on the White House lawn.
Navarro had been booked to engage in car talk—and as the conversation started, Cain was basically playing it straight. Navarro's first statement was this:
CAIN (3/27/25): Peter, great to see you here today. Let's put you straight to some of those voters' concerns—some of those concerns of Americans—about the rising price of, potentially. of cars under these tariffs.
NAVARRO: Well, tariffs are tax cuts. And what's going to happen here is, we're going to raise over a hundred billion dollars in tariffing auto imports, including the parts...
Tariffs are tax cuts! Yes, that was the first thing he said! Also, the tariffs are going to raise a hundred billion dollars, though he didn't say from whom.
From there, Navarro engaged in a lengthy oration about all the economic benefits which will accompany or flow from the president's tariffs.
You may have noticed what we said above—Cain has no shortage of IQ points. When Navarro stopped talking at 4:07, he made what you could almost call a half-way decent attempt:
CAIN: OK. Hold on real quick, Peter, because I want to make sure— You always lay it out well, and I mean that, not gratuitously, but I mean that sincerely. You lay it out well.
When you say tariffs, though, are a tax cut—not on their face, not in and of themselves. They are a tax. But what I hear you saying is, it's going to correspond with the tax cut for those that buy American cars...
You always lay it out well, Cain said. But the tariffs are a tax.
He went on a bit from there. We'd describe the overall effort this way—Cain was trying to correct or contradict Navarro without maybe seeming to do so.
Navarro then began talking again. He ended up back on "the tax cut thing," having made another jumbled and grossly misleading presentation.
At that point, Cain gave up. "Important to hear the big picture," he now said. In our assessment, he then continued to semi-contradict Navarro without quite seeming to do so.
All in all, we'd limn it this way:
Cain knew what Navarro was supposed to say. When Navarro never quite managed to say it, Cain went ahead and praised him for letting us "hear the big picture."
In short, there is no discourse except faux discourse. This discourse comes from two major firehoses, only one of them down at the White House.
The firehoses are running all day. There is no way to keep up with the effort to flood the zone, and very few news orgs try.
(To watch the entire segment, click here. After that, continue to click.)
Somerby: Fox News is garbage, pushing corporate propaganda all day and all night.
ReplyDeleteSomerby Haters: This proves Somerby is a right-wing shill.
Shouldn't you give a Somerby hater a chance to speak before you mischaracterize their arguments?
DeleteIn this particular essay, Cain comes off pretty well because Somerby says he has lots of IQ points and becaue he is getting it right while Navarro is wrong. How is that not shilling for Cain? And isn't Cain a right winger on Fox News? Given that Somerby has said absolutely nothing about the left in this particular essay (much less anything positive), how could anyone possibly claim he is a left-wing shill?
"how could anyone possibly claim he is a left-wing shill?"
DeleteSee, here's the problem in a nutshell. To 6:53, Bob must be shilling for the left or the right.
It's shirts v. skins, just like in gym class in the 4th grade.
Shifting some goalposts with that response @7:00.
DeleteWhen Somerby touts Cain, how is he not shilling for Fox? Please answer the question.
Yup. Binary reasoning, a hallmark of cults.
DeleteWho created the binary? First Somerby, then Dogface (there's Somerby and there's Somerby Haters -- two, get it, a binary)
DeleteAnd while we're at it, the right is the group insisting that sex is a binary. That makes them a cult for sexual purposes, amirite?
Delete7:44,
DeleteTo shill is to be an accomplice in a swindle or to a swindler.
To describe Bob as shilling for Fox makes no sense, in particular for today's post, since it teems with criticism of Fox. Yet you select a single compliment he pays to a single Fox personality, and convert that to shilling for Fox.
You're simply wrong in your characterization.
"That makes them a cult for sexual purposes, amirite?"
DeleteNope. Sex is overwhelmingly a binary proposition depsite whatever anomalies you care to trot out that represent tiny slivers of the population.
Bob's constant repeating of Right-wing grievances makes me think Bob's a Right-wing shill.
DeleteThen again, Bob did stop asking us to listen to Right-wingers, once we reported back that it's all just bigotry.
How is having a conservative bisexual for a vice president going? The shades of brown on his nose are one way to set an example for people.
DeleteI had to tell Vance to go home to his wife, and stop making eyes at my couch.
Delete7:00 - Yes. That’s precisely the reasoning mode of the Haters.
DeleteSomerby says the faux discourse runs from two firehoses, one at the White House. Is the other hose supposed to be Cain at Fox? It isn't clear from Somerby's statements.
ReplyDeleteI feel sorry for Mr. Somerby. There can no longer be true discourse. We are no longer a functioning democracy.
ReplyDeleteIt's done. Don't expect Paul Revere to ride through town alerting us that democracy is dead.
Thom Hartmann is riding through town if you'll just take the time to read his substack.
DeleteHeather Cox Richardson too, also Jeff Tiedrich (in his own way), or Joyce Vance on the legal stuff and Richard Reich. Even Hillary has been a town crier. It isn't done, but there is no reason to read Somerby when there is so much excellent writing about the status of our democracy.
DeleteTom Sullivan at Hullabaloo ends his posts with a list of the links to resistance efforts, asking:
Have you fought the coup today?
National Day of Action, Saturday, April 5
Choose Democracy
Indivisible: A Guide to Democracy on the Brink
You Have Power
Chop Wood, Carry Water
Thirty lonely but beautiful actions
The links work here:
https://digbysblog.net/2025/03/28/frau-schmerz-and-american-stasi/
Yeah, Hartman and Digby are good, but they can't stop the dictatorship that is already in full control.
Delete... the order directs Vice President JD Vance — who is on the Smithsonian's board — to eliminate "improper, divisive, or anti-American ideology" from the museums, and to work with Congress to keep from funding exhibits or programs that "divide Americans by race."
The AG is on Fox News attacking judges. I give up.
I gave up too and much happier for it.
DeleteIsn't the Smithsonian a part of the Executive Branch, which is led by our Elected President? That is democracy, not dictatorship.
DeleteOh I see, so JD Vance is the arbiter of what is improper, divisive, or anti-American. Thank god Vance isn't a far right wing asshole who called the VP of the United States garbage prior to the last election and spread baseless rumors that she is an alcoholic. Let's give him the keys to the place and trust that this paragon of maturity and all that is proper does the right thing.
DeleteJD Vance likes to travel the world and tell other governments that they don’t meet his expectations. In response, their leaders do some serious soul searching about how they can elevate themselves to the stature of Trump and Vance in the service of their countries. Meanwhile the stock market here in the US is responding favorably to the steady hand of a genius.
Delete"Isn't the Smithsonian a part of the Executive Branch"
DeleteNo, it isn't.
"Degenerate" Art
DeleteNazi leaders sought to control Germany not only politically, but also culturally. The regime restricted the type of art that could be produced, displayed, and sold. In 1937, Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels made plans to show the public the forms of art that the regime deemed unacceptable. He organized the confiscation and exhibition of so-called “degenerate” art.
There is something seriously the fuck wrong with you, David.
David was OK until he let Zionism poison his soul.
DeleteJD Vance is a couch-fucking loser.
DeleteMao is the paragon of Right-wing virtue, but that's because he's the smartest and most honest of all the world's Right-wingers.
QiB : I forgot the rule that everything DiC states in comments can be assumed false unless proven otherwise. This one he just pulled out of his ass.
DeleteDon't let David in Cal's acting a fool, distract you from his bigotry.
DeleteI resent the idea that when I express my opinion here, I am not engaging in true discourse. Who appointed Somerby as the purity of discourse police? This especially from a guy who won't read his comments (or at least doesn't respond to any of them). How can there be discourse without a sender and a receiver of communication? Somerby only sends, refuses to receive.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe he is only talking about what happens on Fox (given that Fox is who he discusses here most days)? Is Fox the only participant in discourse in our nation (or the media)?
You are horribly mistreated.
DeleteI am by far the most mistreated around here. Beyond horrible. It's disastrous!!!
DeleteIm listening to endless March Madness and endless phone calls rehashing March Madness. You don’t know misery.
DeleteSomeone with the ability to delete comments reads them.
DeleteSomerby reads his comments. That's how he knows to delete the ones that call out the bigotry of Republican voters.
DeleteWe must distinguish Will Cain from Will Kane, the marshal played by Gary Cooper in High Noon.
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ReplyDelete"Tampon Tim" is a nickname, Bob. Like "the Commander".
Tim Walz, who is a C-team regional politician, must be super-happy he's mentioned so often on super-popular TV shows. Hell, I'm sure he is super-happy!
"...unfounded speculation about who must be paying the arsonists..."
"Unfounded speculation"; are you kidding? Who do you think is paying? Does it really matter what we call them: the "deep state", the "swamp", "Soros", the "DNC" or whatever. Everyone knows who is paying.
I am paying.
DeleteThe Deep State really has the Soros-bot at 5:33 in a tizzy.
DeleteIt's okay, Soros-bot, we're getting you that software upgrade, as soon as Trump's tariffs kick in.
You can pay for the upgrade with all the money you're making on the stock market.
DeleteSomerby stopped asking us to listen to Republican voters, when he realized you can get the same insight into the thinking of Republican voters by attending a KKK meeting.
ReplyDeleteWhat keeps Elon up at night? Depopulation.
ReplyDelete