OU BOUM: A silly child described monsters and killers!

THURSDAY, MARCH 20, 2025

But what if they actually aren't? Karoline Leavitt stood at the podium describing the foreign terrorists.

Hundreds of people had been frog-marched away to a Central American gulag. Here's what the youngster now said:

LEAVITT (3/19/25): A predatory incursion is absolutely what has happened with Tren de Aragua. They have been sent here by the hostile Maduro regime in Venezuela, and the president immediately upon taking office, designated TDA as a foreign terrorist organization. And under this act, it is within the president’s authority to deport these terrorists. And anybody trying to defend these terrorists who have now been sent off of American soil should talk to the families of the individuals who these heinous monsters have killed and have raped. 

If you talk to those families, they are so heartened by the president’s decision to take tough action and to use his executive authority. Something that no other president has been willing to do because President Trump does what he says he’s going to do, and he is deporting these foreign terrorists from American soil to secure our homeland, and he’s within his rights to do that.

That's what the youngster said. Such representations have been general over Red America in the course of this past week. 

On Sunday, videotape of the killers and rapists had appeared as they arrived in El Salvador—as they were being frog-marched off to residence in the gulag. At that time, President Trump had posted this:

PRESIDENT TRUMP (3/16/25): These are the monsters sent into our Country by Crooked Joe Biden and the Radical Left Democrats. How dare they! Thank you to El Salvador and, in particular, President Bukele, for your understanding of this horrible situation, which was allowed to happen to the United States because of incompetent Democrat leadership. We will not forget!

The videotape was tape of "the monsters." Crooked Joe Biden had let the monsters in.

The president had shipped hundreds of killers and rapists off to exile in a foreign gulag. The people in question were foreign terrorists, the White House spokesyoungster had said.

But what if some of the people in question actually weren't foreign terrorists? What if some of the deportees—what if most of the deportees—weren't even members of the gang in question at all?

Across the platforms which message to Red America, such possibilities weren't permitted to surface. But over here in Blue America, as we've noted in the past two days, the key word is still "alleged."

In newspapers written for Blue America, news reports referred to the deportees as "alleged gang members." In yesterday morning's New York Times, this report even saw the light of day:

Judge in Deportation Case Draws Ire of Republicans as White House Pushes Back

[...]

A separate legal fight has been quietly simmering about the level of danger presented by the Venezuelan immigrants who were deported by Mr. Trump under the extraordinary powers of the Alien Enemies Act.

Lawyers for some of the men have claimed they are not members of Tren de Aragua at all, but instead were targeted by the gang while living in Venezuela. And recent court filings the government has submitted to Judge Boasberg have provided a murky view of who these migrants might be.

In one recent filing, the Justice Department cited an immigration officer who acknowledged that several of the people suspected of being gang members did not have criminal records in the United States...

Others appear to have been arrested while merely in proximity to Tren de Aragua members during law enforcement raids, according to the officer, Robert L. Cerna II, the acting field office director of the deportation arm of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Is it possible that some of these monsters aren't actually monsters at all? Indeed, how many of these alleged monsters might not, in fact, be actual monsters? 

How many monsters might not be real monsters? According to that samizdat, this is the state of the evidence:

"Recent court filings the government has submitted to Judge Boasberg have provided a murky view of who these migrants might be."

According to the Times report, the people who were frog-marched away to the gulag were, in fact, actual "migrants." But was the rest of screeching true—the formulaic, scary screeching about the killers and rapists?

Was the rest of the caterwauling accurate? As we noted yesterday, the answer arrives from the mists of time:

Trust us, the Voices said.

As noted earlier, we're skipping a bevy of other questions about this removal project. We're focusing on a single question:

Is there good reason to believe that the screaming and yelling is accurate—that the accusations are true? In part, we ask for  an obvious reason:

As we noted yesterday, the Voices we're being told to trust have issued an endless string of ludicrous claims about an array of other topics. Keeping that fact in mind, should we necessarily believe the Voices when they screech about this?

What are the names of the frog-marched monsters—of Karoline Leavitt's killers and rapists, of the foreign terrorists who now people her speech? Does the youngster even know the names of the people she's characterizing as they're frog-marched away?

Could she say their names? Also, what's the evidence on the basis of which the silly child stood before the world, right there in the White House, and issued her latest self-assured statement, in which she praised her daft employer for shipping the terrorists away?

By now, Leavitt has issued a stunning array of dumbbell statements. In fairness, some of these pronouncements have provided brief moments of something like comic relief. 

Back in February, her presentation about the name of a certain body of water was a conceptual gong-show for the ages. At the targeted Associated Press, David Bauder played it straight as he reported the matter:

White House says it has the right to punish AP reporters over Gulf naming dispute

The White House said Wednesday that news organizations that refuse to use President Donald Trump’s new name for the Gulf of Mexico were telling “lies” and insisted it would continue to bar Associated Press journalists from presidential events.

Trump has decreed that the international body of water—which borders Mexico, the United States and other nations—be called the Gulf of America. In its influential Stylebook, the AP said it would continue to use Gulf of Mexico, while also noting Trump’s decision, to ensure that names of geographical features are recognizable around the world.

The White House’s outright attempt at regulating language used by independent media—and the punitive measures attached to it—mark a sharp escalation in Trump’s often fraught dealings with news organizations.

At a regular briefing Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said that “it is a fact that the body of water off the coast of Louisiana is called the Gulf of America, and I’m not sure why news outlets don’t want to call it that.”

Bauder's report continued from there; no paywall keeps you from reading it. Bauder's report includes videotape of the youngster Leavitt's pronouncement.

Meanwhile, too funny! Bauder was being possibly polite—but as you can see by watching the videotape at his report, this is what the spectacularly silly youngster had actually said:

LEAVITT (2/12/25): I was very upfront in my briefing on Day One that, if we feel that there are lies being pushed by outlets in this room, we are going to hold those lies accountable. And it is a fact that the body of water off the coast of Louisiana is called "the Gulf of America." 

Too funny! It's a fact that the body of water is called "the Gulf of America," Leavitt assuredly said. 

In truth, (some such) "fact" had been in existence for something like two days. For the previous four hundred years, it had been called something else!

Now, the potentate had ruled that it should be called something else. And if the AP didn't do what the potentate said, the AP was "pushing a lie!"

That came from the low-IQ Wurlitzer organ from which our world's "facts" now emerge. That's the caliber of the mental realm from which the current revolt from below has been emerging. 

Yesterday, the same silly child stood before the nation and world and described the foreign terrorists who were also killers and rapists. They were also monsters, she said.

That said, were the people shipped off to the gulag actual killers and rapists? If so, why weren't they simply arrested, held without bail, and charged in the courts for such crimes?

The silly child wasn't asked about that. That's one of the questions we ourselves are skipping past as we continue to sketch the state of play which now exists inside our rapidly failing nation.

Our view? 

Tribunes who speak to Blue America still haven't developed the language with which to describe ongoing events. They refer to a gulag as some sort of "prison," but also this:

Once again with our apologies, they refuse to employ appropriate language to describe such manifest lunacy as this:

THE PRESIDENT (3/4/25): We’re also identifying shocking levels of incompetence and probable fraud in the Social Security program for our seniors and that our seniors and people that we love rely on.  Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old.

It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.  I don’t know any of them.  I know some people that are rather elderly, but not quite that elderly.  

(LAUGHTER) 

3.47 million people from ages 120 to 129. 

3.9 million people from ages 130 to 139.

3.5 million people from ages 140 to 149.

And money is being paid to many of them, and we’re searching right now. 

In fact, Pam [Bondi], good luck.  Good luck.  You’re going to find it.

But a lot of money is paid out to people because it just keeps getting paid and paid, and nobody does—and it really hurts Social Security and hurts our country.

1.3 million people from ages 150 to 159.  And over 130,000 people, according to the Social Security databases, are age over 160 years old.  

We have a healthier country than I thought, Bobby [Kennedy Jr.]. 

(LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE)

Including, to finish, 1,039 people between the ages of 220 and 229; one person between the age of 240 and 249; and one person is listed at 360 years of age—

AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Joe Biden!  

(LAUGHTER)

THE PRESIDENT: —more than 100 years older than our country. 

But we’re going to find out where that money is going, and it’s not going to be pretty. 

By slashing all of the fraud, waste, and theft we can find, we will defeat inflation, bring down mortgage rates, lower car payments and grocery prices, protect our seniors, and put more money in the pockets of American families. 

 (APPLAUSE) 

That was an act of transparent lunacy. But those are the Voices we're told we should trust about the lives of others.

In our view, tribunes who speak to Blue America are being inappropriately polite. As we've noted in the past, Robert Frost once described it like this:

Something we were withholding made us weak...

That situation obtains today as we refuse to use appropriate language to describe the lunatic conduct with which we're all surrounded.

Tribunes who speak to Red America are speaking of monsters and terrorists. But what if some—indeed, what if most—of those monsters and terrorists aren't?

The overmatched child who speaks for the president will never be able to go there. And over on the Fox News Channel, morally vacuous buckets of garbage like this are being served.

That link will take you to the morally vacuous pseudo-conversation we stumbled upon at 6:15 this Tuesday morning. Tomorrow, as the week finally ends, we'll finally have to transcribe the morally squalid ruminations emitted by the four friends that day on the corporate propaganda show, Fox & Friends. 

We'll also have to return to last Friday's Washington Week to show you what Jeffrey Goldberg rather timidly said. Operating with extreme caution, he told us viewers, as he signed off, that we should go to the Atlantic read about ketamine.

We should read about ketamine, he said. But who in the world was he talking about? 

 Who in the world was he talking about? To our ear, it almost seemed like he didn't quite want to say!

Tomorrow: Moral squalor on Fox & Friends. Plus, who was he talking about?


126 comments:


  1. "But what if some of the people in question actually weren't foreign terrorists?"

    The key words here are "invasion or predatory incursion", Bob. When you are a victim of an invasion or predatory incursion you don't give the alleged invaders the benefit of the doubt.

    No, Bob. You shoot from the hip. You shoot first and ask questions later. Comprende? The invader deported to El Salvadorian gulag, considers himself lucky.

    So, you might want to spend more of your time arguing that there is no "invasion or predatory incursion", before pontificating about legal niceties.

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    1. anon 10:49, Some key words like you say are whether there has been an invasion or predatory incursion into the US. (The statute at the beginning applies also where we are at war with the foreign nation.) We are not at war with Venezuela, and the Venezuela government hasn't invaded the US or made an incursion onto our territory. We characterize Venezuela as a state that persecutes its citizens - and when they flee Venezuela, they are terrorist rapist monsters, according to Leavitt and the MAGA zealots, like you - shoot first and ask questions later. (Under the law as you are happy to interpret it - anyone who is a Venezuelan citizen in the U.S., can be grabbed and sent on a plane to the mega-prison, whether a "terrorist" or not)). To be clear it's an invasion or incursion by a foreign government - not a bunch of people crossing the border into the US illegally, trying to escape from the Venezuelan dictatorship. You are surely wrong that whether these deportees were terrorist monsters is irrelevant. that's how Trump and Leavitt are justifying it

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    2. "We characterize Venezuela as a state that persecutes its citizens - and when they flee Venezuela, they are terrorist rapist monsters"

      Venezuela's (mostly upper class) citizens who feel persecuted in Venezuela go to Colombia, and probably other neighboring countries. Which is perfectly fine, perfectly natural.

      On the other hand, going all the way to the US to escape alleged prosecution in Venezuela is completely unnecessary and illogical.

      So, why do Venezuelans go to the US and cross the border illegibly? What kind of Venezuelans do it? Are there a significant number of terrorist monsters among them? I have no idea. If Trump admin officials say so, I guess it's something to consider.

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    3. anon 2:53 - Maybe they see the U.S. as being a place where they have a better chance of having a decent life than going to Columbia. Unless you are a native American, that's probably why your and my ancestors came here. The point is that Trump spews out constant Orwellian propaganda, so he has no credibility and his aliens enemy gambit is an apparent fraud., But if Trump's administration has back up that any specific deportees were terrorist rapist monsters, that would help clear things up a bit - though how many out of 241 who were hauled away were not of that demonic category would be relevant to our understanding.

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    4. Maybe they see the U.S. as being a place where they have a better chance blah, blah, blah. Which means that the alleged Venezuelan persecution its citizens has nothing to do with it, and is irrelevant.

      "The point is that Trump spews out constant Orwellian propaganda, so he has no credibility and his aliens enemy gambit is an apparent fraud.,"

      Oh, so this is the point? Why didn't you give it straight, from the beginning?

      "But if Trump's administration has back up that any specific deportees were terrorist rapist monsters, that would help clear things up a bit - though how many out of 241 who were hauled away were not of that demonic category would be relevant to our understanding."

      Sorry, this feels like a word-salad. But I think I get the gist of it: you want a proof that the alleged gangbangers really are gangbangers. But the problem is, you and your Soros-bot comrades don't believe anything you don't want to believe. So, when you're asking for a proof of something you don't want to believe, it's 100% catch-22.

      And so it goes.

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    5. Apparently, anyone who asks for proof from the Trump administration is a soros bot. AC/MA is one of the least likely to be a soros bot here.

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  2. Writers know how to make a particular character the hero of the story. Apparently they do this by focusing on his individual characteristics and his humanity.They point out good things he has done and ways he victimized. They’re so good at this that made heroes out of juvenile delinquent Trayvon Martin and murderer Luigi Mangione.

    The public knows nothing about the individual deported to El El Salvador. So Trump and hi enemies are free to make up whatever narrative they like about these people.

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    1. D in C - what person of the stature of Trump or a democratic spokesman has "made a hero" out of Mangione? Trevon Martin - i agree the blues have gone off the rails about him - but what happened in him getting killed is murky. Calling him a "juvenile delinquent" is putting your thumbs on the scales. He was a young kid who tragically got killed. Trump and his obsequious adherents are the ones promoting the narrative that all the deportees are rapist terrorist monsters - He and his defenders are the ones who must provide support for these extremely harsh claims. By questioning them - like TDH and i are doing - is not "making up a narrative."

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  3. "That was an act of transparent lunacy."

    Does it mean, Bob, that you consider 1,039 people between the ages of 220 and 229, etc. in the Social Security databases perfectly normal?

    It is clear that you're upset about something, but it isn't clear what it is exactly. I'm intrigued. Would you elaborate , please?

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    1. It's perfectly normal to anyone with experience with enormous databases built over decades using multiple softwares.

      And in light of one use of the Social Security database being for record-keeping purposes.

      The question, if one is serious, is not how many records show people of unbelievable ages, but how many fraudulent payments were thereby generated.

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    2. "The question, if one is serious, is not how many records show people of unbelievable ages, but how many fraudulent payments were thereby generated."

      If you want to be serious, consider that professional DBAs run daily jobs checking the integrity of their databases. Records with the birth date 300 years ago and without the date of death would pop up immediately.

      If it took DOGE to find these records, then the DBAs are not doing their jobs. Database integrity is non-existent. Which means that there are all kinds of fraud and waste issues.

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    3. No, 12:05: DOGE found something, then proceeded to label it fraud and abuse.

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    4. Having a fraudulent database, with 360 y.o. living people, is an evidence of fraud.

      Even if it's merely incompetence on the part of their IT, hiring incompetent IT professionals is still fraud, waste, and abuse.

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    5. 12:59, still waiting to see one single criminal referral from Sir Elon of the Nazis. Fraud is a crime.

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    6. 12:59: It isn’t evidence of fraud, not of necessity. If it’s even true that there are people listed as 360 years old in the database, it may be because there are other fields which when added to all of the other fields indicate something about that record that means something specific to the system, the way it’s coded. I’m tact, When I worked on databases, you would often code a field with a certain value to indicate that it was an old field, or had invalidated the field had to contain some value but it was given a value that was outside the bounds of possibility. It meant something to the code in theThe fact that you automatically assume it’s fraud is part of the problem. That’s bad faith and it’s not evidence of fraud

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    7. I published my above comment too quickly. At any rate, my point is that fields in a database are often given values to indicate that they are null or contain invalid data. The value that is coded is often outside the bounds of what is possible or outside the bounds of the ranges that are valid for the coding of the system. You can’t simply assume that something is fraud because you don’t understand it.

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    8. "You can’t simply assume that something is fraud because you don’t understand it."

      Elon can. And does.

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    9. DOGE and the American President say that

      "We’re also identifying shocking levels of incompetence and probable fraud in the Social Security program for our seniors and that our seniors and people that we love rely on. Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old." etc.

      If they are wrong, then we got nothing to talk about here. If they are not wrong, "shocking levels of incompetence" are self-evident and fraud seems likely.

      But even just the "shocking levels of incompetence", they already constitute waste and abuse.

      What else do you want?

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    10. What we want is to hear this from someone other than the mendacious Musk and Trump.

      Like maybe someone who actually knows how that database was built and is being used.

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    11. “If they are wrong”, Then we do got something to talk about. Because they are either mistakenly or deliberately attacking a system for no good reason. They’re not being circumspect about it they are simply assuming that they are right

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    12. '12:59, still waiting to see one single criminal referral from Sir Elon of the Nazis. Fraud is a crime."

      This is spot on. If Musk had found a single case of actual fraud, it would be trumpeted across the land.

      And note that we know there are actual cases of fraud but Musk/DOGE are so incompetent they haven't identified a single one.

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    13. So, y'all basically agree with 1:33 PM.

      No one disputes -- no one can dispute -- "shocking levels of incompetence". And obviously any system run with "shocking levels of incompetence" is prone to being defrauded. So, most likely it is.

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    14. I don't know if this is the case - but it might be. When someone dies, a death certificate is generated (in Massachusetts by both the municipality where the deceased died and by the State Secretary). These death certificates include the deceased's social security number. (I know, as I'm a lawyer who has probated estates where death certificates must be filed). What I don't know for sure, but surmise as probably true, is that the state secretaries send copies of these death certificates to the Social Security Administration, which thereby learns that the recipient has died., and stops making payments (and claws back payments improperly sent). That people who are surely long dead are "in the system" doesn't mean anything. Do you think their existence is erased from the "system" upon their deaths? The issue is whether payments made out to the dead person are sent out for decades with someone criminally cashing the checks (or maintaining the bank accounts where most social security checks are directly deposited). If Musk can identify specific instances of fraud - great - but so far, I'm not aware he has done so.

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    15. Of course you can dispute the claim that there are “shocking levels of incompetence” in the system. That’s what exactly what we are doing.

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    16. You can't dispute the claim that there are “shocking levels of incompetence” in the system.

      All you do is saying that you don't believe DOGE and the American President. But that's a statement about you, Soros-bot. It means nothing.

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    17. I don’t know about you,2:07, but I don’t mindlessly believe something just because an “American president” or his administration tells me so. I require proof, like most normal people.

      I could link to articles like the following:

      https://apnews.com/article/social-security-payments-deceased-false-claims-doge-ed2885f5769f368853ac3615b4852cf7

      “Tens of millions of dead people aren’t getting Social Security checks, despite Trump and Musk claims”

      This disputes the claim that millions of dead people are being paid benefits. It shows that the social security administration had already found billions of dollars in overpayments and was already tracking that as part of its normal course of business. I could point out to you that because the system is written in COBOL, that means you cannot have null values in fields, so you have to have a value there which, in the case of the age field, equates to 360 years old, which is simply an indicator that the field contains no valid data. But none of that apparently is “disputing” what the president says, in your opinion, so let’s leave it at that, Putin bot.

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    18. The administration doesn't claim that "millions of dead people are being paid benefits".

      Get a functioning brain somewhere, Soros-bot, and then come back, and we'll talk.

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    19. THE PRESIDENT: —more than 100 years older than our country.

      But we’re going to find out where that money is going, and it’s not going to be pretty.
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      One thing is perfectly clear, orange chickenshit is intentionally lying, because he knows his cult of moronic marks will bite every time. Every fucking time, no matter how many times he is caught outright lying to the American people.

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    20. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/doge-days-musk-trump-tout-cuts-fraud-claims-are-debunked-rcna192217

      “There are millions of people over the age of 100 in the Social Security Administration’s database, but the vast majority aren’t receiving benefits. The issue has been repeatedly identified by inspectors general at the agency, but the Social Security Administration has argued that updating old records was costly and unnecessary.
      Per the agency’s online records, just 89,106 people — not tens of millions — over the age of 99 received retirement benefits in December 2024, out of the more than 70 million people who receive benefits each year.”

      Here’s the OIG report:

      https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf

      Other than people receiving benefits they aren’t eligible for, it isn’t clear that the mere presence of people older than 100 indicates fraud or incompetence.

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  4. SSData base errors being (partially) corrected
    “ The Department of Government Efficiency, led by Elon Musk, has identified and removed 3.2 million individuals over 120 years old from the Social Security database, marking them as deceased. This cleanup highlights the significant inaccuracies in Social Security records that had not been updated to reflect the true status of those individuals.


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    The Elon Musk-led Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has removed the names of 3.2 million individuals from the Social Security database. Surprisingly, all of them were listed as 120 years or older. The agency has now officially marked them as a major cleanup of its stated in a post on X.


    Musk shared the post, commenting, "Cleaning up the dead people database."
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    Musk had previously raised concerns about the accuracy of Social Security Administration (SSA) data. He gained widespread attention—and some criticism—when he claimed in February that millions of deceased individuals were still receiving Social Security benefits.


    “Maybe Twilight is real and there are a lot of vampires collecting Social Security,” Musk posted on X earlier, adding, “Having tens of millions of people marked in Social Security as “ALIVE” when they are definitely dead is a HUGE problem. Obviously. Some of these people would have been alive before America existed as a country. Think about that for a second …”
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    Former U.S. President Donald Trump had also made similar claims, asserting that millions of people over 100 years old were still listed in the Social Security database and that many of them were still receiving payments.

    "Government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members between the ages of 100 and 109. They also include 3.6 million people aged 110 to 119. I don’t know any of them. I know some rather elderly people, but not quite that elderly," Trump was quoted as saying by Newsweek in March.
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    However, earlier this month, the SSA clarified that the highlighted data “represent people who do not have a date of death associated with their record.”

    The agency emphasized the importance of maintaining accurate and complete records, even for individuals who are not receiving any benefits.

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    1. We already know that you're dumb as a brick, Soros-bot @11:11 AM. Wasting more space and bandwidth adds nothing.

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    2. No tard like a trumptard.

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    3. “Having tens of millions of people marked in Social Security as “ALIVE” when they are definitely dead is a HUGE problem. Obviously."

      Only obvious to a bozo trying to generate headlines through meaningless actions.

      And if they were truly marked as 'ALIVE' (which I doubt), then the value in that field could have been changed to 'DECEASED' without deleting the entire record. Obviously.

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  5. What was the SS data base used for? Was it used for anything? If it is used, how do the users deal with these millions of dead people who are incorrectly shown as alive? I wish someone would ask these questions.

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    1. I wish you would provide a trustworthy citation to verify that there are “ millions of dead people who are incorrectly shown as alive.”

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    2. The citation above, provided by Bob Somerby, seem perfectly sufficient to me.

      If you, 11:30 AM, want a verification, it's up to you.

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    3. @11:30 see the Quote above from Trump’s speech quoted by Bob. Do you not consider that to verify the charge of errors in the SS data base? Why not?

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    4. Bob Somerby cited Trump, and Bob Somerby called what Trump said “manifest lunacy.” Did you see that part?

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    5. Trump lies about pretty much everything, so I would never take anything he says at face value. It needs independent verification before anybody in his right mind would believe anything Trump says.

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    6. @11:43 AM
      I did. And I asked Bob Somerby to clarify.

      But then I'm pretty sure it's just his TDS, his unfortunate mental condition, talking.

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    7. Whenever my TDS levels drop, I think of how quickly peace has been achieved in Ukraine and they shoot right back up!

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    8. Bob’s “lunacy” charge was over the allegation that these people are still receiving SS benefits. Not over whether there are millions of errors in the data base.

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    9. Bob did not say that, DiC.

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    10. How does he know they aren't receiving SS benefits, David? I'd naturally assume many still do. If you aren't dead (no date of death), you should be getting the benefits.

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    11. The Social Security database includes everyone who has a Social Security number, including all the millions of people who are not retired or who are less than the minimum required age and are therefore not receiving benefits. One would assume there is a field on each record indicating whether a person is actually receiving benefits, and another field indicating how much the payment is.

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    12. @11:56 there is no reason to think they’re still receiving benefits because the SS data base isn’t used for that purpose. Local SS offices have their own records. In fact, my guess is that the data base may not be used for anything. Otherwise they would have corrected it.

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    13. Anon@ 11:30: "I wish you would provide a trustworthy citation to verify that there are “ millions of dead people who are incorrectly shown as alive.”
      That, sir, would take all the fun out of this conversation. The whole point is to claim things with no basis in fact.

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    14. "because the SS data base isn’t used for that purpose. Local SS offices have their own records."

      Sorry, but this sounds like nonsense. I doubt very much local offices make payments. If the central database is there, it's used to run the system.

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    15. @12:09 Organizations can have multiple and duplicative places where data is stored. Everyone is talking about THE data base. They should probably call it A data base.

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    16. Well David, now you’re just veering off into nonsensical speculation. The Social Security database is logically a Single nationwide database. They have a record of every job you’ve ever held, they follow you from city to city, from state to state, no matter where you live, you go to the Social Security office and they can pull up your records instantaneously. It is a national program run by the federal government, and therefore you would not have local copies at umpteen field offices across the United States. Databases have to be housed on servers, which are fairly expensive computers, and you have to have expensive software installed to manage the database, and database administrators to manage the databases, and even if they were locally maintained they would have to be connected to a national database anyway.

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    17. Organizations aren't supposed to duplicate their data: databases are supposed to be normalized. If in SS system it isn't, that's already a big problem.

      But still, how do you know that this particular system, with 360 y.o. who is alive, is not used for paying benefits?

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    18. I have still seen no concrete evidence that there are people listed as 360 years old in the Social Security database. I do know that the Social Security administration always looks for fraud in the system, they go after people who collect benefits that they are not entitled to, it is a common practice at the Social Security ministration to do such a thing. You hear about it all the time in the news people getting charged with fraud.

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    19. @12:25 PM, so you're a faithful. But others aren't.
      You think they are evil, they think you're an idiot. The usual.

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    20. Why don't you ask the people orange chickenshit and his nazi boytoy fired, this is all a bullshit attempt to con the rubes into thinking the SS is totally corrupted. This is how disinformation works and Dickhead in Cal is playing his part.

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    21. @12:25, What would you consider "concrete evidence" that there are people listed as alive and 360 years old in the Social Security database? Musk's team's team actually found these people in the data base. Why isn't that "concrete" evidence?

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    22. DiC, Saying you “found something” isn’t the same as providing evidence you found it, especially if the claim rests on murky assumptions. Show us the record. Show is the data dictionary. I am inclined to be skeptical of musk and Trump, since they are known liars, and have called social Security a Ponzi scheme and have taken the time and effort to mock the system, rather than say we need to strengthen the system because we support it. It’s the most successful government program in history, it’s lifted millions of retirees out of poverty, it has worked flawlessly, not least in my case, so forgive me if I’m skeptical of the motives of these people whose word you take as gold.

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    23. Meant to say “worked flawlessly, at least in my case “

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    24. "Musk's team's team actually found these people in the data base. Why isn't that "concrete" evidence?"

      Because it's simply words, a claim by Musk, a proven liar.

      Got any more tough questions?

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    25. "Organizations can have multiple and duplicative places where data is stored."

      They can, but you don't typically want to do that because you would have to keep the common records in the two databases in sync, which would take a lot of effort.

      Better to have the records in a single database.

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    26. "How does he know they aren't receiving SS benefits, David? I'd naturally assume many still do. If you aren't dead (no date of death), you should be getting the benefits."

      This makes a great point. There is no systematic way for SS to know when a person has died. Funeral homes are supposed to report deaths, and relatives can but beyond that ....

      Nevertheless, if Musk's 'obvious' solution of deleting the records in question was a serious way of reducing fraud, why wouldn't it have been done sooner?

      This sounds a lot like the early days of DOGE when he was claiming the Treasury was paying out hundreds of billions without knowing why because there was no 'payment code' attached to the payments.

      If it's claimed that major fraud can be corrected with such an obvious, easy solution, then most likely the solution isn't doing anything.

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    27. "In fact, my guess is that the data base may not be used for anything."

      Great. But then you have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

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    28. The goal here was to sow confusion and distrust of the system. With Dickhead in Cal it wasn't too hard to get him to buy in to the scam. It really doesn't matter to DiC one way or the other. If Elon says "up" today and down tomorrow, DiC would bounce right along with them.

      Sarah Inama, a sixth-grade teacher at Lewis and Clark Middle School, was instructed by her principal and district personnel to take down two posters — one listing classroom values and another stating "Everyone is welcome here" featuring hands of various skin tones — allegedly because they violated district policy against displaying personal opinions.

      That above is what it's all about, baby.

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  6. Fox serves up “morally vacuous buckets of garbage.” I guess this is just another right-wing talking point that Somerby is pushing.

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    1. Personally, in a news channel, I'd prefer "morally vacuous buckets of garbage" to any "moralistic treasure".

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    2. Pigs like slop.

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  7. Changing the name of the Gulf is one piece in the process of getting around Biden’s iron clad EO as to drilling.

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    1. Biden had an iron clad EO? Why not just rescind it?

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    2. It’s especially difficult to overturn Biden’s drilling ban mainly because it is based on legal authority granted by the Outer Continental Shelf Land Act. This act prohibits future presidents from undoing earlier withdrawals without approval from Congress. Past rulings/precedents have upheld this restrictions on Trump and his efforts to boot them during his first term.

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    3. Hmm...I am guessing that Cecelia is engaging in third derivative sarcasm here, 'cause no one can be that obtuse.

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    4. Ilya, I’m guessing you are engaging in that too…

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    5. Sure Cecelia. You can’t get around it if it’s the “gulf of Mexico.” But call it the “gulf of America”, and every judge will say “ well, damn, my hands are tied. It ain’t the Gulf of Mexico. Case dismissed.

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    6. I heard about the EOs that are nearly impossible to overturn. Yes, it makes sense now, the Gulf of America.

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    7. Anonymouse 12:14pm, no, that move would be just one of a part-and-parcel effort that would take much more time than it takes you to prepare a blog post on whatever you think Bob will cover the next day.

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    8. Wow, Cecelia. You go from making some comment about gulf of America and end with some imaginary incomprehensible complaint about anon 12:14 and Bob (?).

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    9. Anonymouse 12:29pm, rightly so. Have you all noticed that there’s a precedent as to a case Trump, in his first term, brought against Obama’s environmental protection actions in the Gulf?

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    10. Oh, So now you’re back to discussing this gulf of America business, Cecelia? If I answer you with a certain amount of skepticism as to the convoluted weirdness of your reasoning process, are you going to then accuse me of being a Bob hater? Can you see why people don’t engage with you in good faith Cecelia?

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    11. I am 12:14 PM. There was no sarcasm in 12:14 PM.

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    12. Oh, sorry, I mean I'm the second 12:14 PM. Missed the first one.

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    13. Anonymouse 12:35pm, no, I’m going accuse you of something worse than being a Bob-hater, which is a matter of taste, but doesn’t justify your type of trolling. I’m accusing you of thinking that Trump is putting rah-rah feel-good patriotism over money, in a scenario where lots of money is involved. You really are a fraud.

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    14. Where did anyone say anything about “patriotism” over “money”, Cecelia? Now you’re just inventing stuff.

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    15. Anonymouse 12:48pm, so what other reason would Trump have to rename the Gulf to Gulf of America other than performative patriotism for MAGA?

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    16. That is a solution to drilling in the gulf only a con man corruptly paid off by the oil companies could possibly think would pass the smile test. But maggots are all in because it will make us libs cry and live on our tears.

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    17. Anonymouse 1:00pm, no, it’s a part of a legal strategy to overcome the EO as to drilling in the Gulf. Names of things actually have legal implications. It’ll take his presidency, but this will come back around to the courts. How people feel about oil drilling and its relative benefits is an arguable partisan political issue on both sides.

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    18. The legal name at the time the order is invoked, you dumbshit.

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    19. If orange chickenshit's nazi father didn't leave him a fortune inheritance, orange chickenshit would be trying to con tourists on 42nd street playing 3 card monte.

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    20. Anonymouse 1:14pm, no, darlin it won’t be the stand alone argument, it’s a case that will be years in the building.

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    21. (The following comment is sarcasm.) This will have revolutionary implications for our justice system. Every defendant charged with a crime can simply change his name the day before the trial and the judges will have no choice but to dismiss the case. “why that’s not John Smith it’s Napoleon Bonaparte”.

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    22. "legal strategy"

      bwahahaha!!!

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    23. 1:18, it is not a serious legal argument at all, shit-for-brains.
      And there is no cause for this fascist regime to punish AP over this farce. I am sure you are enjoying the show though.

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    24. Hey robot called Cecelia: ironclad is 1 word.

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    25. Anonymouse 1:39pm, which means I’m not a robot.

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    26. If iron clad were two words, would you be a robot?

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    27. Oh I get it, if I’m charged with murder and I change my name, the case is dismissed. Makes perfect sense.

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  8. As much as we want to revile Trump -- and we should -- for summarily disappearing people by claiming that that they are "monsters", it hasn't exactly started with him.

    Recall, if you will, how under Bush's administration we were told that there were terrorists -- unlawful combatants, they were termed -- captured in Afghanistan and Pakistan. These people were sent off to Gitmo with no legal authority of any kind; following no national or international rules of any kind. These people, the Bush administration told us, were "the worst of the worst". No one knew then what that meant. Little by little some of them were quietly released years later, because, you know, mistakes happen.

    Trump, unsurprisingly, is taking it a step further: he is kidnapping people from the US soil and sending them to a prison where the US has no authority, and where most certainly no one will be concerned about any mistakes. They are "monsters", Trump and his flunkies tell us. Of course, we have no idea who these people are and what is it that they have done to earn such a moniker.

    Is it a giant step to start kidnapping US citizens? Of course not! The administration will just very earnestly tell us that they are "very, very bad people". Nothing else.

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    1. When Saint Obama was making lists of American citizens to summarily execute from drones, you had no problem with that.

      But deporting some foreign gang to El Salvador is a crime against humanity.

      Forgive me for not being impressed.

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    2. Ah yes, the old “both sides” argument. Obama did “x”, for some not analogous case of “x”, and that makes it OK if Trump does “y.”

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    3. When Saint Obama was making lists of American citizens to summarily execute from drones, you had no problem with that.
      I did. I should've mentioned that Obama picked up where Bush left off, although to a lesser degree.
      The distinction now is that we are disappearing people from the US soil.

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    4. It's not the “both sides” argument.

      It's an argument that you are not a virtuous humanitarian, but a TDS-suffering sick in the head hypocrite. And as such you've got nothing interesting to say.

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    5. No one here says they had “no problem” with what Obama did, 1:05. There is a problem with saying “it’s ok if Trump does ‘it’ because Obama did ‘it’”, because it means that is an argument for no principle at all other than empty justification of your hero.

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    6. 1. Obama didn't kidnap and imprison people in Gitmo. He did say that he would shut it down, but failed on that account.
      2. There was one case under Obama -- I think one -- where a US citizen was killed in a drone attack in Yemen.
      3. Neither Bush nor Obama disappeared people from the US soil.

      To turn your attention to the very narrow issue in front of us, Anon@1:05: Trump is disappearing people from the US soil. There's no review of any kind.

      As much as I despised Bush, he did not attempt to completely destroy the fabric of our society.

      PS: People who have nothing interesting to say always bring up TDS.
      PPS: Trump Derangement Syndrome accurately describes people who imagine that the slimy demented grifter is actually conducting some sane public policy.

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    7. Obama murdered thousands of civilians, in drone strikes. In funerals and weddings. 3,797 people in total, according to this website: https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/

      Meanwhile, Trump deported a gang. The deported gang members weren't, some say, properly processed by the legal system - horrors, horrors.

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    8. Yes, horrors, horrors, 1:25. That pesky legal system. Why do we need it?

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    9. Yes, Obama did continue the US tradition of killing people abroad. Trump is not taking a backseat to him either.
      Again, you know nothing about the "gang" that was deported. You know nothing about the identities of those deportees. You know nothing.

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    10. You can travel to El Salvador, to their gulag, visit the (alleged) gangbangers and ask for their identities, if it's so important to you.

      Or, better yet, send Democrat lawyers. Do a class action. Lawyers love class action.

      This is how the system works.

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    11. Listen, jackass. This isn't a debate. There is a court proceeding now with a judge reviewing the facts and the law who has determined that the law has been violated in a plainly contemptuous manner. So fuck off, maggot breath, this isn't a fucking partisan issue.

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    12. You can travel to El Salvador, to their gulag, visit the (alleged) gangbangers and ask for their identities, if it's so important to you.
      Can I? Quite certain that's not possible. At least, no media organization has been successful in obtaining that information.

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    13. Bummer. Then I guess all you can do is keep bitterly complaining, bitching and moaning.

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    14. "You can travel to El Salvador, to their gulag, visit the (alleged) gangbangers and ask for their identities"

      You can't. Prisoners held there are not permitted visitors or legal representation.

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    15. Quaker, Anon@2:19:
      I engage with folks like anon@2:38 not to try to change their mind, but to test the validity of what I am saying. Perhaps, there's something that I am missing. When the best that they can come back with is "TDS" or some other silly invective, I know that there's nothing else.
      It doesn't matter that our friend cannot grasp that kidnapping people off the streets is not something that a reasonable government should engage in. Although, it does make me a little sad to witness the depth of delusions that people have about Trump -- call it Trump Delusion Syndrome

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    16. "It doesn't matter that our friend cannot grasp that kidnapping people off the streets is not something that a reasonable government should engage in."

      Another name for "kidnapping people off the streets" is "detaining" or "arresting" criminal suspects. Thousands of arrests and detentions made by "reasonable governments" every days all over the world.

      You know, it's one thing to parrot Trump-hating globalist propaganda, like what other bots do here, but you sound like you get real excited from reading this stupid bullshit. That's a worrying symptom, Ilya.

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  9. Fat, Dumb President Says Country That Elected Him is Fat, Dumb

    https://www.salon.com/2025/03/19/fat-dumb-foolish-country-says-us-has-been-pillaged-via-trade-deals/?in_brief=true

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    1. Anonymouse 1:17pm, so do anonymices.

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    2. Ah yes, Trump is no better than anonymices, or, it makes what Trump said OK because anonymous say the same thing ,,,or something…

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    3. No not “something”. It’s what anonymices say about half the country who don’t vote as they vote. . It’s what Trump says about the entire ethos of the country because he thinks we complacently sit back and allow ourselves to be been stiffed by the rest of the world.

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    4. To be scrupulously honest, Trump did call liberals “vermin”, but I’m sure he meant well.

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    5. About as well-meaning as Biden was when he called his opposition “garbage”.

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    6. "allow ourselves to be been stiffed by the rest of the world."

      Generally, Trump references our trade deficits as evidence other countries are "ripping us off." What our deficits indicate is that we consume more than we produce.

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  10. From Digby:

    A March 11 NBC survey showed President Trump hit his best approval number ever. 44% of voters told NBC that things “are generally headed in the right direction” and 54% “feel that things are off on the wrong track.” Last November NBC News had “right direction” at 27% and “wrong track” at 54%.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25569109-nbc-march-2025-poll-3-16-2025-release/

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    1. Yes, I'm sure that many Republican voters' hopes for the future have brightened. For now, anyway.

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    2. Trump's approval rating could be the highest it has ever been because Republican voter's hopes have brightened. That is a good observation.

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  11. It's certain. Republicans nearly universally said the country was headed in the wrong direction when a Democrat was at the helm. I would be surprised if I was told that the vast majority of them aren't cheering Trump's recent actions.

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  12. Are we still waiting on a single case in which fraudulent activity at Social Security has been referred to the Justice Department or are we going to let that line of bullshit slide as is usually the case with these two grifters. As was the case when Trump paired up with Giuliani over voter fraud, so far no receipts. That Trump and Musk are consummate bullshit artists is on display on a daily basis.

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  13. Trump showed off, behind a curtain mind you, “The Declaration of Independence” to Laura Ingraham , who had the impressed look of a girl being presented a large zirconium engagement ring. According to his press secretary, the document was loaned to him by the National Archives, who will retrieve it from a bathroom at Mar A Lago in a few short years. It’s the real thing except for that it apparently bears no resemblance to the original fragile and faded document.

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    1. Meanwhile Ingraham was almost but not quite as impressed with that document as she was with the Diet Coke button.

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  14. "WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Negotiations over Ukraine appeared to stall on Friday after Russian President Vladimir Putin kept Donald Trump on hold for 45 minutes listening to balalaika music.

    According to White House sources, Trump consumed 18 cans of Diet Coke during the lengthy musical interlude.

    Although the Russian president never picked up his call, Trump took to Truth Social to declare it a “perfect phone call.”

    “President Putin honored me by ordering his Russian banjo players to sarrinade (sic) me for ALMOST AN HOUR!” Trump wrote. “He never would have done that for Sleepy Joe!”"

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