THURSDAY: One of Trump's claims was "absurd," Kessler said!

THURSDAY, MARCH 6, 2025

Elsewhere, it just "needed context:" We're still emitting mordant chuckles about that New York Times fact-check. 

As we noted yesterday, eleven writers fact-checked the president's hundred-minute address. They fact-checked twenty-six different statements, claims or passages from Tuesday night's joint address.

As we noted yesterday, the eleven writers found only two statements which they scored as "False." 

Only two, in a hundred minutes! Over at the Washington Post, Homey didn't play it like that. 

Glenn Kessler fact-checked 26 statements or passages all by himself. He scored twelve of the commander's emissions as "False"—and then he continued from there:

He scored another claim as "Wrong;" he even scored one claim as "Absurd." That assessment is even more scathing than "False." We applaud Kessler for using his words.

All in all, we'd say that Kessler found roughly twenty items (out of 26) which he basically scored as False. Here's the roll call of the ratings:

Assessments by Kessler:
False: 12
Appears to be false: 1
Trump often takes false credit: 1
Wrong: 1
This is apples and oranges: 1
This was not a scam: 1
Absurd: 1

There were several other presentations in which Kessler basically said that the statement in question was false or wrong without quite using those words. 

Over at the New York Times, eleven writers had been asked to grope the elephant. In the course of the hundred-minute speech, they were able to find only two claims which they scored as "False!"

Back at the Washington Post, what claim by Trump got scored as "Absurd?" Headline included, the assessment went like this, with Trump's statement appearing in bold:

Fact-checking 26 suspect claims in Trump’s address to Congress

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“We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe and an inflation nightmare.”

This is absurd. Trump inherited an economy with relatively low unemployment, falling inflation and strong growth. The month before the November election, the Economist newspaper published a cover story declaring that the U.S. economy was “the envy of the world.”

A person could imaginably think that "absurd" is wrong. For ourselves, we'd have to say that the statement by Trump was, at the very least, "Extremely or highly tendentious."

Kessler said that claim was absurd. At the Times, it just "needed context." We leave you with a question:

Whatever you think of President Trump, when did he ever speak for a hundred minutes and make only two false statements? That Times report seemed to have come from the dark side of the distant planet Nuance, with a trip to Avoidance thrown in.

Full disclosure: We think Kessler misunderstood one part of the third statement he fact-checked. This was the statement by Trump:

“Hundreds of thousands of illegal crossings a month, and virtually all of them including murderers, drug dealers, gang members and people from mental institutions and insane asylums were released into our country.” 

We think Kessler misread one part of that statement. In fairness, that statement—like so many others by Trump—is rather fuzzy in its construction, perhaps for tactical reasons.

We would have scored it (at best) as "Grossly misleading." After that, we would have explained why we did.


34 comments:

  1. Eleven NYT writers fact-checked the Trump's address. Zero NYT writers face-checked any address by Biden or Obama.

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    1. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/03/08/us/sotu-fact-check

      So hard to contradict. Maybe go to a class for seniors on using the internet.

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    2. Dickhead is not here for honest dialogue, just trolling and whining

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  2. Donald Trump doesn't lie. That's one of the ways he is different from any typical shithead politician, like Al Gore.

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    1. Thanks for the update, Soros-bot.

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  3. Virtually none of our border crossings involve murderers, mental patients, etc. Trump told a blatant lie.

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  4. In the days right before the election, some media, including the NY Times and AP, found Trump "lying" by interpreting an ambiguous statement is a way that was false. Even though the statement would be true in other interpretations. It looks like the Times fact-checkers moderated this practice, but didn't end it.

    E.g., Trump said he inherited an economic catastrophe and an inflation nightmare. Times corrected him by saying, "President Trump inherited an economy in solid shape, by most metrics. You can see the problem. By other metrics the economy was in bad shape. Trump was not lying when said the metrics he relies in showed a problematic economy.

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    1. a "economic catastrophe" Dickhead? fuck you

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    2. DiC - "By other metrics the economy was in bad shape."

      Can you back that statement up? Or are you just making shit up?

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    3. DG -- sure. Here are some:
      -- Recent inflation is too high. Longer term inflation was very bad
      -- Very little job growth in the private sector. Most new jobs were in government
      -- The economy was boosted by unsustainable government spending
      -- The enormous National Debt
      -- A huge deficit of nearly $2 trillion despite being at peace and no covid shutdowns.
      -- A 10 year projected enormous deficit
      -- Manufacturing not returning to the US

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    4. Inflation is not too high. It is close to ideal. The inflation trend long term is down. It is wrong toblame Biden for covid and its global effects. Trump caused the deficit & national debt with tax cuts. Trump has now destroyed Biden’s jobs progress (always higher than Trump’s in all sectors) by firing workers en masse. Biden’s mfg numbers are better than Trump’s first term. Repubs can reduce debt & deficit any time by taxing the wealthy. They have chosen not to.

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    5. As long as Republicans keep enacting tax cuts, they have a permanent excuse to obstruct and complain about all Dem achievements by complaining about the deficits they created.

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  5. Speaking of hilarious. They can’t charge Lakin Riley’s killer with murder, because he filed election papers first.
    Suck it, Righties.

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  6. Somerby’s buyer’s remorse over Trump, is fucking hilarious!

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    1. Somerby's criticism of Trump proves his support of Trump. That's your argument, and you're sticking with it.

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    2. Somerby’s daily recitation of Republican talking points and complete absence of Democratic talking points proves someone owns him and it isn’t “Blue America” (a term we don’t use).

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  7. Republicans love that Trump lies at will, it’s another way he “owns the libs” and it makes them snicker with smug satisfaction.

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    1. orange chickenshit needs to pay a lot more to own me. hehehe.....

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    2. David in Cal shouldn’t feel bad that he can’t tell the difference between a Neo-Nazi, a white supremacist, and a fine person on the Right. No one can.

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    3. Anonymouse 4:01pm, orange chickenshi owns Democrats from the ground up. He’s imprinted on the inner area of your eyelids. You’ll never stop seeing him.

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    4. Cecelia, No one can stop seeing him, because he never goes away. And, on the one hand, he seems to own people like you and DiC and all of his debased followers, because you are all consumed with justifying his lies and corruption and incompetence with the most embarrassing North Korea style fulsome praise every single minute of every single day of every single week. Don’t tell me he doesn’t own you jokers.

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    5. And what a little space is left in your brains that doesn’t involve Trump worship is devoted to seeing hated liberals under every bed that must be destroyed and “owned” by your hero.

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    6. Trump grabbed Cecelia by the pussy and she won't ever let him let go.

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    7. Anonymices, no, Trump doesn’t “own” David or me. Pres. Biden didn’t have that sort of hold on us. You’re really are every bit as captivated as the Trump supporters who were at 1/6.

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    8. Anonymouse 4:56pm, I’m a woman when it suits your flying monkey poo flinging, huh? You’d put your mother to use for that cause.

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  8. So which high-profile Democrat will be next to talk about the future suicide of a child with brain cancer?

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    1. Where did Nicole Wallace get that there were six Capitol police who committed suicide after 1/6?
      I thought that there was “only” four.

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    2. I count 5: Brian Sicknick, Jeffrey Smith, Howie Liebengood, Gunther Hashida, and Kyle DeFreytag. say their names, asshole.

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    3. No one committed suicide because of January 6.

      We're not playing your emotional extortion game anymore in case you hadn't noticed.

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    4. Oh, “we” all know that “you all” don’t give a shit. It isn’t a good look, but “we” keep hope alive.

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    5. Anonymouse 4:36pm, Sicknick didn’t off himself, drama Queen. .

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    6. Anonymouse 4:51pm, so there wasn’t a 6th “suicide”?

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  9. Leo Frank was guilty. I am not an antisemite.

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