THURSDAY, AUGUST 22, 2024
Insults v. neighbors and friends: Is "something wrong" with Donald J. Trump?
It's one of the possible disorders we've been discussing this week. In the land of journalistic euphemism—in the realm of the refusal to speak—could something be "wrong" with this former president?
Regrettably, we'd say the answer is yes. Please consider:
On Tuesday night, former president Barack Obama kept suggesting that we need to see our fellow citizens as our neighbors and friends.
He didn't go quite as far as we ourselves would have liked. But for us, it recalled that instructive passage in My Life, former president Clinton's book.
We refer to the lengthy passage in which Clinton said that Arkansas' Pentecostals—people who tended not to vote for him—were some of the finest people he has ever known.
We've often cited that instructive passage here at this site. In last night's convention address, former president Obama was working the same side of town, as he has done in the past:
Barack Obama, convention address:
Kamala and Tim have kept faith with America’s central story: a story that says, “We are all created equal.” All of us endowed with certain inalienable rights. That everyone deserves a chance. That even when we don’t agree with each other, we can find a way to live with each other. That’s Kamala’s vision. That’s Tim’s vision. That’s the Democratic Party’s vision. And our job over the next 11 weeks is to convince as many people as possible to vote for that vision.
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That’s the America Kamala Harris and Tim Walz believe in: an America where “we, the people” includes everyone. Because that’s the only way this American experiment works. And despite what our politics might suggest, I think most Americans understand that. Democracy isn’t just a bunch of abstract principles and dusty laws in some book somewhere. It’s the values we live by. It’s the way we treat each other, including those who don’t look like us or pray like us or see the world exactly like we do.
That sense of mutual respect has to be part of our message. Our politics have become so polarized these days that all of us across the political spectrum seem so quick to assume the worst in others unless they agree with us on every single issue. We start thinking that the only way to win is to scold and shame and out-yell the other side. And after a while, regular folks just tune out, or they don’t bother to vote.
Now that approach may work for the politicians who just want attention and thrive on division, but it won’t work for us. To make progress on the things we care about, the things that really affect people’s lives, we need to remember that we’ve all got our blind spots and contradictions and prejudices. And that if we want to win over those who aren’t yet ready to support our candidates, we need to listen to their concerns and maybe learn something in the process.
Good God! There's even the chance that We might learn something from Them! That we might learn something from the people who don't vote the way we do!
There was more of that in Obama's speech—a speech in which he cited the (unfortunate) way "we build all manner of walls and fences around ourselves." Obama has always been a Lincoln man. Eventually, he moved on this:
As much as any policy or program, I believe that’s what we yearn for: a return to an America where we work together and look out for each other. A restoration of what Lincoln called, on the eve of civil war, our “bonds of affection.”
That's what Lincoln said, even on the eve of war. As the war was coming to its end, in the most astounding speech of them all, that president said that we should proceed "with malice toward none."
On Tuesday night, President Obama was working that vein of understanding. Last night, Candidate Walz brought that same concept in:
Candidate Walz, convention address:
Now, I grew up in Butte, Nebraska, a town of 400 people. I had 24 kids in my high school class, and none of them went to Yale. But I’ll tell you what: Growing up in a small town like that, you learn how to take care of each other. That family down the road, they may not think like you do, they may not pray like you do, they may not love like you do—but they’re your neighbors, and you look out for them, and they look out for you.
Everybody belongs, and everybody has a responsibility to contribute...
Your neighbors may not vote the way you do—but everybody belongs. Along with Candidate Walz, Mr. Rogers was in that room last night, asking to be your neighbor and your friend.
That said, and regrettably, is it possible that "something's wrong" with Donald J. Trump? Dual headline included, here's part of the New York Times' report about his appearance yesterday in Asheboro, North Carolina:
Trump Attacks Harris at N.C. Rally, Asking the Crowd to Back Him Up
In a speech intended to be about national security, Mr. Trump continued personal attacks on Kamala Harris and asked for validation in doing so from the crowd.
After two days of policy-focused addresses with modest crowds, former President Donald J. Trump returned to form on Wednesday with an outdoor speech in North Carolina, where he insisted that he would not give up personal attacks on Vice President Kamala Harris and continued to sow doubts about the integrity of the election in November.
Speaking to thousands of supporters outside a hangar at an aviation museum in Asheboro, N.C., Mr. Trump ridiculed his advisers for pressuring him to focus on policy instead of on personal insults as he mocked President Biden’s physical appearance. He called former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi “crazy,” labeled Ms. Harris both “stupid” and a “Marxist or a communist” and said former President Barack Obama was “nasty.”
And as he promised to invest in America’s military, criticized the Biden administration’s foreign policy and vowed that only he could restore world peace, Mr. Trump repeatedly revived his false claims of widespread election fraud in 2020 and spun them forward to November.
As he insisted that he could end the war in Ukraine just by being elected, Mr. Trump portrayed his victory as a foregone conclusion that could be stymied only by electoral fraud.
“When, if, but when—I have to always say ‘if,’ you know, because they cheat,” Mr. Trump said of Democrats. “I would say ‘when’ if they didn’t cheat, but they cheat. That’s the one thing—they’re great at cheating in elections.”
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His speech on Wednesday was billed as being focused on national security. Early on, he acknowledged that he was rejecting his team’s insistence to stick to issues, saying that he felt moved to respond to a litany of criticism made at the Democratic National Convention, including speeches on Tuesday night by Mr. Obama and the former first lady Michelle Obama.
“They always say, ‘Sir, please stick to policy. Don’t get personal,’” Mr. Trump said. “And yet they’re getting personal all night long, these people. Do I still have to stick to policy?”
The crowd responded with a resounding “No.”
For the record, the candidate has every right to "get personal" in his remarks. Several speakers at the Democratic Convention have indeed "gotten personal" in their characterizations of him.
We'd even say that one or two, understandably but perhaps unhelpfully, may even have "taken the bait" in their convention remarks.
There's no perfect way to conduct a campaign, but there are ways which spill out of bounds. In its own report on the North Carolina event, the Associated Press mentioned something the New York Times didn't.
Politico mentioned it too, in its own report:
During his characteristically meandering speech here—which was intended to focus on national security—Trump repeatedly referred to Harris by one of his recent nicknames for her, “Comrade Kamala,” and said he would require on Inauguration Day the resignations of “every single senior military official who touched the Afghanistan disaster.”
The hopeful is running against "Comrade Kamala." He now says this at every stop—but he says many other things too.
Is it possible that "something's wrong" with this particular candidate? Last week, he offered this bizarre tweet about a jam-packed Harris campaign event:
Has anyone noticed that Kamala CHEATED at the airport? There was nobody at the plane, and she “A.I.’d” it, and showed a massive “crowd” of so-called followers, BUT THEY DIDN’T EXIST! She was turned in by a maintenance worker at the airport when he noticed the fake crowd picture, but there was nobody there, later confirmed by the reflection of the mirror like finish on the Vice Presidential Plane. She’s a CHEATER. She had NOBODY waiting, and the “crowd” looked like 10,000 people! Same thing is happening with her fake “crowds” at her speeches. This is the way the Democrats win Elections, by CHEATING - And they’re even worse at the Ballot Box. She should be disqualified because the creation of a fake image is ELECTION INTERFERENCE. Anyone who does that will cheat at ANYTHING!
"Behold the full lunacy of this message," Jonathan Chait wrote at New York magazine—suggesting, without quite saying, that "something is wrong" with the person who wrote it.
Is it possible that "something's wrong" with Candidate Trump? Beyond that, is it possible that something is wrong—that something is possibly less than perfect—with the way his various statements and behaviors get covered within the upper-end press?
We'd say the answer each time is yes. On the one hand, he offers an array of statements—like the statement about the large crowd which wasn't there—which are transparently crazy in the colloquial sense.
He also offers an array of statements which suggest that he doesn't know the first thing about basic policy questions—about the way tariffs actually work, to cite one extremely salient recent example which we haven't yet fully discussed.
Beyond that, there's the inflammatory claim he never stops making—the inflammatory claim which did get mentioned in the Times report about the Asheboro rally.
Was the 2020 election stolen? Will this year's election get stolen again? He makes these inflammatory claims everywhere he goes. This conduct has become so normalized by now that it attracts little attention.
Yesterday, in North Carolina, he was floating that claim again, even as he invented a new, bogus claim about Candidate Harris:
TRUMP (8/21/24): Remember when Biden sent Kamala to Europe to stop the war in Ukraine? She met with Putin, and then three days later, he attacked. How did she do? Do you think she did a good job? She met with Putin to tell him, "Don’t do it." And three days later, he attacked. That’s when the attack started.
Did you know that, General [Kellogg]? He should have sent you.
[Retired Army Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg was present at the event.]
Look, we are going to fight like hell to win this election. They are going to cheat like hell to win the election because they have no bounds—they have no bounds.
As the Times reported, inflammatory claims about the cheating to come were scattered through yesterday's lengthy remarks.
The claim about Harris meeting Putin was this disordered person's latest invention. For the CNN fact-check, click here.
Is "something wrong" with Candidate Trump? Might something be wrong in the clinical sense? Tomorrow, we'll make one final pass at that lingering question.
We've recommended pity for Trump—but we'd also recommend full, hard-core reporting about his bizarre behaviors. That would include hard-core reporting about Democratic misstatements—and yes, there have been some of those, even this past Monday night.
Obama and Walz spoke of neighbors and friends. Candidate Trump, out on the stump, invented the latest bogus claim about the "stupid" "Comrade Kamala," with obvious cheating to come.
Tomorrow: For the last and final time, basic background concerning a clinical type of "disorder"
DiC - What do you make of Clinton’s 50M to 1M claim? Basically, it reflects the reality that Republicans hand Dems trashed-out economies when they leave, and Dems fix the economies and hand over humming ecinomies to Republicans when they leave. What Biden has done to heal the trashed-out economy left by Trump is just the latest iteration on this on-going process.
ReplyDeleteWhat claim are you referring to, DG?
DeleteSince the end of the Cold War - 50M jobs created under Dem presidents, 1M under Republican presidents.
DeleteRepublicans like DiC love their blinders.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/qWomk2yt-C8?si=AfuQW6HhaAsgic2t
RFK jr before the worms ate his brain.
DG — It is a meaningless statistic IMO. The biggest reason is Covid.
DeleteAlso it’s hard to know which period to attribute to each President, since his policies may not have impact until years into his term. And the impact may last even after he’s out of office.
Finally various Presidents face different economic and use policies. So, one can’t predict that a current President will have the same results as past Presidents of his Party
No, DiC, it shows that Democrats are better with the economy.
DeleteDiC - I think that's a rationalization. I think if the numbers were inverted you'd be touting them to the sky. And the differential is way too stark to wave off as explainable as merely the artifact of attributed periods.
DeleteIt's so much fun watching Dickhead in Cal tap dance around statistics that violate his ideology.
DeleteDavid, small question. Who the fuck choked when he was faced with the challenge of Covid? I'll wait right here for your honest and candid reply.
DeleteAnything about the revised job numbers on Digby? LCM? Hopium?
DeleteDidn't think so.
97% of job growth occurred during Democratic administrations in the last 35 years. And that is not just Covid. Bush’s 2008 recession and other Republican misadventures are involved. Their track record on managing the economy is abysmal compared to Dems. That is easily fact checked. DIC as usual is FOS.
DeleteOn the other hand, if you want a parameter in which Republicans far outdistance the Democrats, consider indictments within their respective administrations going back to the 1930’s. Trump was record setting of course but the many years predating him tell the same story of corruption.
DeleteUse policy as a factor in jobs-creation analysis?
DeleteGlib stupidity.
Discounting a 97:3 ratio as insignificant? Glib innumeracy.
DeleteSomerby, please.
ReplyDeleteThe Dems are succeeding right now, with nearly the polar opposite strategy that Bob prefers. Dems are now saying "When we fight, we win", Dems are strongly attacking Trump and the Repubs largely on the basis of wokeness, of saying wokeness is the norm and being antiwoke is just weird, and it is working well, and it is driving Bob nuts, so he is trying to rewrite history, per usual, misinterpreting Lincoln, the Obamas, etc.
And Trump is reacting by doubling down on his attacks on buying bread, now saying that you do not just need ID but that you'll also get shot, mugged, and raped trying to buy bread.
Good luck with that Republicans!
To be fair, Trump does know a thing or two about rape.
DeleteAs far as we know Trump has not raped a loaf of bread, but he has raped a 13yo, which should put him out of contention for...well, anything but prison.
Anonymouse 11:50am thinks Bob is disingenuous and silly in suggesting that Obama was actually being genuine and sincere.
DeleteBob is putting his thumb on the scale, misinterpreting Obama.
DeleteIn 2016 Obama wanted to "go high", but now he is strongly attacking Republicans, drawing sharp contrasts, he is not saying "can't we all get along". Obama is late to the party, suddenly joining a strategy that others have been engaging with since 2018, one can debate whether Obama is being genuine, but that is largely irrelevant, as Dems are fully embracing a newer more aggressive and progressive strategy that is working well, a strategy that Bob has been attcaking for years.
Yo, I bought bread today, some sourdough, did not have to show ID, was not shot at or raped.
DeleteHallelujah!
Anonymouse 12:25pm, so similarly to Biden’s age-related mishaps, the remarks that Obama seemed to have made about his average countrymen were being altered as he spoke?
DeleteAnonymouse 12:28pm, so you paid for the bread with a card or cash and not a paper check. Or you stole it.
DeleteBob is misinterpreting Obama's message.
DeleteIt is strange to observe you and Bob twisting yourselves in pretzels to push a misguided agenda.
Why would I write a check for $1.90 loaf of bread?
DeleteFurthermore, generally, paying by check does not require ID.
Anonymouse 12:55pm, you’re here to wage war with a blogger and anyone who might seek him out. You are doing battle and this is enemy territory.
DeletePres. Obama does not reflexively see David and Cecelia as being bad people. At least that is what he says. and I give him credit for saying it consistently.
Anonymices are altogether different.
Anonymouse 1:14pm, I’ve never seen an instance where writing a check did not require ID.
DeleteThis is your silly anonymouse flying monkey poo.
People write checks all the time without ID, for bills, for rent, for groceries, car repairs, etc.
DeleteNobody writes checks to pay for bread.
You are so in your feelings, you have been reduced to lying to try to "win" your stupid argument.
1:14 generally Dems do not see folks like DIC or Cecelia as bad, they see them as wounded people in need of help.
DeleteGet over yourself.
Anonymouse 1:24pm, we don’t see you as bad either, just none too bright and silly.
Delete“Is "something wrong" with Donald J. Trump?”
ReplyDeleteOne of the biggest ironies at this blog is that, despite Somerby’s thesis the past 9 years, that Trump is disordered/mentally ill, Somerby’s biggest supporters (DiC and Cecelia) do not buy his argument. This shows the futility of the argument, and that it would fail spectacularly with the MAGA crowd.
“Is 'something wrong' with Donald J. Trump?”
DeleteThis is not Somerby's "argument." It is his sincere question.
Give me a break, PP.
DeletePP, can you read??
Delete“ could something be "wrong" with this former president?
Regrettably, we'd say the answer is yes.
Again, can you read?
LOL, PP, sure, Somerby is just asking questions.! Classic.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:36pm, but a David and I are here, reading the very negative things that Bob has to say about Trump. More often that you imagine, we are agreeing with him.
DeleteThen we look at your comments about your contrarians and those of liberals in the broad society and we see the time of day.
PP apparently can’t read. Somerby ANSWERS HIS OWN QUESTION. Would you like to apologize, PP?
DeletePlease, Cecelia. DiC claims Trump is just an effective humorist and using hyperbole for effect, just as you did yesterday, when you claimed that Trump was simply being sarcastic and humorous when he said he was better looking than Kamala Harris. Your bs is wearing thin. And by the way, how do you know what DiC thinks?
DeleteThis is a media criticism blog. Somerby is criticizing the media for failing to examine Trump's mental stability. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? (I think it's because you want this blog to be partisan campaign outlet, but it's not.)
DeleteSomerby uses pseudo media criticism to bash Dems.
DeleteHis fanboys get angry when anyone calls out this obvious ploy.
PP, Somerby wrote in his blog today that he believes there is something wrong with Trump. That is his opinion, and that is what I referenced in my original comment. It has nothing to do with the media, or whether others believe it. Somerby believes it, and that is what motivates him to criticize the media for NOT acknowledging this. Do you really want to say this stuff after you have been shown to be wrong? HE ISN’T JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.
DeleteI'm sorry, but he IS asking the question, and he's offering his opinion of the answer to that question. I really don't see why this is so difficult for you to understand.
DeletePP, you claimed it wasn’t his argument, but was just a “sincere question.” He answered his own question, with a “yes” in the very next sentence. Thus, it is an argument, and his quotes of Trump are here to support that argument, or opinion, if you will.
Delete1:11 Somerby is saying Trump is crazy, yet Somerby's efforts have failed to persuade anyone of anything.
DeleteMost readers already are aware that Trump is nuts, it is covered daily in independent media and frequently in corporate media too.
The Republican/right wing readers maintain that they will vote for Trump, so Somerby's musings are pointless at best.
Anon Y Mous, I think Bob is asking a rhetorical question in the sense that he thinks the answer is obvious that Trump is bonkers, AND wanting a sincere answer as to why people are pretending otherwise.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:18pm, my guess is that Bob would dispute the fact that it’s “obvious” that Trump is crazy, due to the fact the media don’t make an issue of it.
DeleteAnonymices routinely (and cluelessly) argue that attributing mental illness to Trump is exculpating.
Let me recap. 12:36 characterized the "Is something wrong?" question as an "argument" Somerby was using to persuade MAGAs to vote for Harris, and 12:36 concluded that this argument did not succeed in persuading them.
DeleteI said, the question is not an "argument" at all. It's a sincere question. In the context of Somerby's many posts about the matter, it's a criticism of the media for not exploring the matter.
12:52 et al. thought it was some huge gotcha that Somerby had offered his opinion about the answer to the question. I, frankly, don't see it that way at all. Somerby would be the first to tell you that he doesn't know the answer, and that it requires an expert's evaluation.
I think he offers his opinion simply to emphasize the seriousness of the question.
But again, the main point: The "Is something wrong" question is NOT a partisan argument Somerby is making, whether it's a failing one or a successful one. It is a critique of the media, which is failing to even ask this question.
Of course Somerby thinks Trump is disordered. Is the sky blue? My point was that his opinion failed to persuade his most ardent right wing fans. But here came PP to dispute whether Somerby really believes it. Almost troll -like behavior.
Delete“ he doesn't know the answer”
DeleteWhy does he say yes, then, PP? You’re just being weird, especially since my original comment wasn’t even a diss of Somerby. You were triggered anyway.
Anonymouse 1:01pm, I think Trump is exactly that. Your mention of his reply to a specious comment meant to be profound is the perfect example of his humor. It’s a hilarious pretense of seriousness toward an asinine remark that was rather sexist towards Comma La.
DeleteTrumps behavior toward a prominent Republican gobmvetnor, not so much.
Anonymouse 1:33pm, I know what your point is and your point is that David and I are the sole conservatives reading this blog. You also act as though we’re gong to share with you how we vote or if we vote. You also act as though you think anonymices are the sole liberal readers here.
DeleteOf course your behavior in relentlessly trolling this blog does not comport with your argument, it belies it, but what else is new?
Look, I don't know, and you don't know, and Somerby doesn't know if Trump is clinically disordered. Yet we all believe that he is. Is this distinction between "knowing" and "believing" something that you can grasp?
DeleteAnonymouse 1:01pm, you give a great example as to Trump actually being funny. A columnist says that Harris’ beauty is the asset that could put her in the WH. It’s that luminous and it reflects her soul, etc (my ad-lib)
DeleteTrump goes on a riff that he is more beautiful than Harris. That is funny. That is exactly the sort of response the columnist’s assertion deserves.
But this makes you go ape-shite. That is the point.
Cecelia: DiC has frequently defended Trump, admiring what he feels are his humor or smarts. It seems to me that DiC does not feel that Trump is deranged. As for you, who knows? You never engage in an honest discussion, so who knows what you really think about it.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:02pm, I don’t think that Trump is deranged either, but I do think he has some sort of personality disorder. I also question his sincerity, if he won, I would not be overcome with surprise if we then saw him move to the left.
DeleteI’m not a liberal. Politics and politicians are not my religion. I truly DO separate church and state.,
PP @1:48: Of course it’s Somerby’s belief. My original point, which you keep missing, was that he has failed to persuade his right wing fans to his point of view. I mean, it’s a simple concept. He’s been arguing that Trump is deranged for years (or if you must that “he believes Trump is deranged. here are some examples, and the media will be mercilessly attacked for not entertaining that belief”). Sheesh.
DeleteAnon Y Mous, I think Bob is asking a rhetorical question in the sense that he thinks the answer is obvious that Trump is bonkers
DeleteI agree with one half of it: the question is rhetorical. Trump is not clinically mentally ill. Trump is intellectually and emotionally stunted. Perhaps, it comes by the way of his childhood and upbringing. These very fundamental flaws have been amplified with age in Trump being thrust into the limelight.
Perhaps, Bob is wondering whether Trump is, in fact, mentally ill; I doubt it. I will say that the media is paying more attention to Trump's unhinged and bizarre behavior.
Ilya, this is literally the first thing that came up when I searched TDH history:
Delete“In the assessments of Trump’s possible criminal complicity, the authors of the Mueller report keep acting like Trump isn't mentally ill—like he's a rational actor. “
http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2019/04/no-information-need-apply.html?m=1
2:15 - "My original point, which you keep missing, was that he has failed to persuade his right wing fans to his point of view."
DeleteI think I understand, and I think I accurately summarized this "original point" at 1:33. MY original point, which I think you keep missing, is that the "Is something wrong" question is not an argument designed to persuade Somerby's right-wing fans. Instead, it's a sincere question, and he thinks the media should consult experts in an attempt to answer that question.
Anon @ 2:26: You're probably right, now that I think about it. Bob, perhaps, is earnestly wondering that Trump is mentally ill. Perhaps, Bob is even convinced of it. I would say that it's not a useful perspective from which to consider Trump's actions.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:15pm, all two of them (as far as you know our feelings)
DeleteDonald Trump is either a genius, or a lucky MFer, to be running for President in a country where the media doesn't care one iota about the age or the cognitive decline of Presidential candidates.
Delete“ We've recommended pity for Trump”
ReplyDeleteAnd this is one of the stupidest things Somerby ever said.
Do you feel like explaining why, or shall we just take your anonymous word for it?
DeleteIt’s called an opinion, PP. I don’t believe you should pity someone as vile and harmful as Trump. In fact, my opinion is shared by Bandy Lee, who says Trump should be prosecuted.
DeleteAnd so, if someone disagrees with you, they're stupid? Is that your explanation?
DeletePP, i’m beginning to wonder if you really are able to read. I did not say that Bob Somerby was stupid, I said that his view that Trump should be pitied is stupid and is a stupid thing to say.
DeletePrivately, we all think PP is stupid, but we are also aware he is a sensitive snowflake so we keep the truth on the dl as best we can, but the truth sometimes bubbles up.
DeleteIs that your idea of an intelligent remark?
DeletePP, I imagine 1:10 was not trying to be clever, but rather stating a viewpoint or observation.
DeleteI think 1:10 succeeded in not being clever.
DeleteThen you agree, it was an observation of reality.
DeleteBut let's put aside the childish insults. Since Somerby believes that Trump is seriously disordered, why is it "stupid" for him to counsel pity? Your view is we should not pity the vile and harmful. As I understand it, Somerby believes that we should pity all who are caught up in a clinical disorder, even the vile and harmful. I haven't yet heard why his belief is "stupid."
DeleteIt may not be 'stupid' but it's certainly misguided. Trump is way too high-functioning in most areas of his life to fit into a normal understanding of mental illness.
DeleteHe's simply an asshole.
So you don't think Trump is clinically disordered. Somerby believes he may be, which is why he suggests pity.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:38pm, it depends upon the type of illness. People with bipolar disorder can function well for decades with medication and monitoring.
DeletePP, and you can have sincere pity for people and absolutely not want them anywhere near high office or a pilot’s seat.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:28pm, my wild guess is that Bob thinks Trump is both.
Delete“ She’s a CHEATER. She had NOBODY waiting, and the “crowd” looked like 10,000 people! Same thing is happening with her fake “crowds” at her speeches.”
ReplyDeleteThis is just Trump, the political jokester, using effective strategies to win votes.
Signed, likely, DiC
“could something be "wrong" with this former president?
ReplyDeleteRegrettably, we'd say the answer is yes.”
—Bob Somerby
Posting again for those with limited reading comprehension.
Yes, indeed. Something could be wrong with him. It would be nice if the media would consult some experts in an attempt to investigate this question.
Delete(Posted for those with limited reading comprehension.)
“ Somerby would be the first to tell you that he doesn't know the answer”
ReplyDeleteHow does one answer the question “is Trump disordered?” if one doesn’t know the answer:
1) We don’t know the answer to that question.
2) regrettably, we’d say the answer might be yes.
3) Regrettably, we'd say the answer is yes.
Choose, and then recall which one was Somerby’s actual answer.
Yes.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:48pm, Bob’s opinion is that Trump is whacked, but he acknowledges that he’s no expert and would certainly like others to weigh in.
DeleteAn opinion neither you nor DiC share, which was my original point hours ago. He can’t even convince his most ardent blog supporters that Trump is “whacked”
DeleteAnonymouse 5:49pm, you’ve made yourself clear, you won’t take reason (or pointing out your lack of reasoning) for an answer.
DeleteDavid and I are the only conservatives that you can identify via our actual nyms. That’s two people. You don’t the people who may regularly read TDH, but never comment. You’re merely aware of two people who are conservative and you don’t even know if either of us will make it out of the door and to the polls when the time comes.
That is a less than flimsy basis for denying that reaching out to moderates, moderately conservative people, and conservatives is a waste of time.
You argue this solely so you can keep thumping Bob and earning that paycheck.
Rather-
DeleteThat is a less than flimsy basis for ARGUING that reaching out to moderates, moderately conservative people, and conservatives is a waste of time.
“Reaching out to moderates” involves considering trump deranged and pitying him…that’s… a theory, one supposes. It’s not smart, but it’s a theory.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:52pm, are you kidding? It’s an absolutely brilliant approach.
Delete“ Somerby would be the first to tell you that he doesn't know the answer”
ReplyDelete“ We've recommended pity for Trump”
Would you recommend pity for Trump if he isn’t disordered?
David and Cecelia have firmly decided not to vote for Trump.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 4:18pm, do you have a mouse in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?
DeleteIt's not a mouse.
DeleteIt's an illegal immigrant.
Anonymouse 6:40pm, you do want them in your pocket.
DeleteI would be glad to see you, Cecelia.
DeleteDavid and Cecelia are healthy, intelligent adults. I disagree with them politically, but I respect them.
ReplyDeleteI commend your tolerance.
Delete