TUESDAY, AUGUST 20, 2024
Nary a word was said: Is our nation's discourse possibly dogged by recognizable types of disorder?
Consider what happened early this morning at the Washington Post.
It was time for Catherine Rampell's column to appear again. In her previous column—it appeared in the hard-copy paper last Friday—she had possibly seemed to make one or two types of mistake.
She had trashed one part of the Candidate Harris's economic plan—in a way she seemed to disavow the very next day! And as we noted this morning, she had done so in a strikingly snarky way.
It's as we showed you this morning! Snarky dual headline included, here's how that column started:
When your opponent calls you ‘communist,’ maybe don’t propose price controls?
It’s hard to exaggerate how bad Kamala Harris’s price-gouging proposal is.
“Price gouging” is the focus of Vice President Kamala Harris’s economic agenda, her presidential campaign says. She’ll crack down on “excessive prices” and “excessive corporate profits,” particularly for groceries.
So what level counts as “excessive,” you might ask? TBD, but Harris will ban it.
That’s the thing about price gouging: As has been said of hardcore pornography, you know it when you see it.
The snark was general over last Friday's column. (It appeared online last Thursday.) Including a type of comparison to hardcore pornography possibly didn't help.
"It’s hard to exaggerate how bad Harris’s price-gouging proposal is," the dual headline said. You can't (quite) blame that on a headline writer, because that's (almost) what Rampell's explicitly column said:
The most likely template for Harris’s proposal is a recent bill from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.). (Harris co-sponsored similar legislation with Warren in 2020, when Harris was a senator.) Warren’s bill would ban any “grossly excessive price” during any “atypical disruption” of a market. Alas, no definition was provided for these terms, either; rather, the bill would empower the Federal Trade Commission to enforce bans using any metric it deems appropriate.
It’s hard to exaggerate how bad this policy is. It is, in all but name, a sweeping set of government-enforced price controls across every industry, not only food. Supply and demand would no longer determine prices or profit levels. Far-off Washington bureaucrats would. The FTC would be able to tell, say, a Kroger in Ohio the acceptable price it can charge for milk.
"It’s hard to exaggerate how bad this policy is." That's precisely what Rampell said in last week's column—except she was talking about an actual piece of legislation, an actual bill recently offered by Senator Warren.
As she did, she was speculating about what type of legislation a President Harris might propose. The headline writer transferred "hard to exaggerate how bad this is" from Senator Warren's actual bill over to Harris's possible future "proposal."
At any rate:
It’s hard to exaggerate how bad Harris’s proposal is, last week's headline said. Which is perhaps a bit ironic, because, as it turns out, that seems to be what Rampell's original column did!
Rampell had rushed into print with what seems to have been a premature assessment—a premature, second- or third-hand assessment. She had tied her assessment to a news report in the Post—a news report which was, in turn, based on a press release which apparently hadn't said anything about "price controls."
The snark was strong in Rampell's column—and, as it turned out, Rampell's snarky assessment seems to have been premature. We say that because Rampell herself seems to have said so, though only in a tweet the next day which almost no one has seen.
Rampell walked her initial assessment back the very next day. That said, a possible hint of arrogance was still perhaps on hand:
Rampell's tweet
Yes there was still some silliness in her speech, but her comments on prices were more toned down than campaign factsheet sent to reporters (punishing companies that raise prices above their costs etc). A generic call to increase antitrust enforcement is fine and I support it.
Forget about the news report based on that "campaign factsheet"—the campaign factsheet which Rampell never quoted. After watching Harris's actual economic address, Rampell said her proposal was actually fine, and that she supports it!
That said, she still saw "some silliness in [Harris's] speech." Under the circumstances, the hubris might seem a bit strong.
Rampell mocked Harris last Thursday in her original column. On Friday, she mocked her on CNN.
Then, after watching her actual economic address, she seemed to reverse her initial assessment. Today would have been the perfect day to explain what happened—to clarify the policy matter and perhaps to help us see how journalism can seem to go wrong.
Instead, her new column concerns a totally different matter. Except on every show on the Fox News Channel, those alleged "price controls" are long gone.
This would have been the perfect day to clarify the tsunami of snark Rampell dropped on Harris's head. Last Thursday and Friday, she mocked the candidate in her Post column, then on CNN.
She proceeded to take it back in a tweet—a tweet which nobody saw.
Concerning that campaign factsheet: Did the initial press release from the Harris campaign ever propose "price controls?"
In the post to which we linked this morning, Kevin Drum says he thinks that he has run down the full text of the press release in question. In his estimation, there's nothing in there about "price controls," and the term itself never appears.
You can see that full text in Drum's report. Today would have been an excellent day to unravel this instant brouhaha, which will live forever on Fox.
Snark is more noticeable when you disagree with a stated opinion.
ReplyDeleteI’m an anonymouse. I never praise Bob, because he never does good work.
ReplyDeleteHis goal is not to do good work.
DeleteHe succeeds.
DeleteBob's been doing excellent work lately, including today's posts. Just face facts, you're a couple of axe-grinding, man-hating termagants.
DeleteI'm a termagant, but I don't hate men.
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DeleteThird time's a charm...
DeleteThis is the epitome of what Bob was pointing out recently. Harris proposes measures to curb price gouging and gets raked over the coals for it. And yet Trump says something so insane that 10 years ago, no one could ever have imagined that a candidate for political office, let alone the presidency, could ever say such a thing and not have their political career immediately come to an end.
"Over the weekend, Donald Trump expressed in a speech his belief that public criticism of judges and Supreme Court justices who rule in Trump’s favor should be illegal.
Trump took this position expressly, twice, in his speech, albeit in a stream-of-consciousness riff. His basic point was that public critics of Trump-appointed judges who make rulings Trump approves of are “working the refs.”
Trump first claimed this is illegal. (“I really think it’s illegal what they do, with judges and justices. They’re playing the ref.”) Later in the speech, he said it ought to be illegal. (“Remember the term. Playing the ref with our judges and justices should be punishable by very serious fines and beyond that.”)
In the middle of these two statements, he managed, in typical Trumpian fashion, to strip away any pretense of intellectual consistency by (1) saying that “working the refs” is wonderful and brilliant, because it was done by his friend, Bobby Knight, the former Indiana basketball coach who endorsed him, leading to Trump winning Indiana by a landslide, and (2) immediately making his own criticism of judges who rule against him. “The New York court system is totally corrupt,” Trump said.
A law against criticizing judges would be highly problematic, of course, but that is obviously not what Trump wants, since he sandwiched his calls for such a law around criticism of judges who ruled against him. Trump wants to ban criticizing judges who rule the way Trump wants them to rule.
...Trump has revealed once again his utter lack of respect for democratic values. He admires dictators. He believes any election he loses is illegitimate. He believes his political opponents and critics are per se criminal. And he has made this plain so many times that every fresh new piece of evidence of his dictatorial ambitions, each of which ought to be totally disqualifying on its own, barely attracts attention of the political media any more."
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-proposes-ban-on-criticizing-pro-trump-judges.html
A couple of spot-on comments posted under the above article:
Delete"Trump would almost certainly not be able to pass such a law through Congress, and even if he did, it would stand little chance of surviving a clear First Amendment challenge."
But because of the Supreme Court's creation of presidential immunity for official acts, he could have the FBI and the DOJ arrest and imprison anyone who spoke out against judges Trump likes and pardon those who went along with his illegal orders, while those in jail have to spend time and money to get out and resolve their unconstitutional detention through the judicial system. It's this kind of abuse of power, which not everyone has the resources to fight, that leads people to self-censor to avoid trouble for themselves and their families and stifles opposition into ineffectiveness because they become to afraid to speak out. Democracies are lost this way. Let's not pretend it can't happen here.
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"He believes his political opponents and critics are per se criminal."
All of your right-wing relatives believe this too.
I am not sure why there is any assumption that the Supremes would not uphold such a law. Yes, it’s a horrible idea and ironic that Trump who has been trying to get judges killed by MAGA supporters if they rule against him is the last person who should be proposing such a terrible idea. But if he has majorities in both houses, it would probably pass and I assume that the Supremes would uphold it. Why wouldn’t they? They do not like being criticized and think the law does not apply to them. It’s long past time to assume that there is a default normal court that will show up miraculously to save the rule of law.
Bob has not used the phrase “self impressed blue tribe” in a while. With the recent goings on in the Dem party, he must be impressed with its elites. Successfully engineering a coup (not just plotting), pushing an old man off the cliff while he is still yelling, disenfranchising 15 million primary voters, viciously lawfaring to keep RFK off ballot, putting lipstick on 2 mediocrities with no private sector experience (as an employee or employer) and calling it a nonstop orgasmic campaign of joy – oh my, what’s not to like.
ReplyDeleteJust so you know, I'm really enjoying being part of "a nonstop orgasmic campaign of joy."
DeleteBut don't worry. I know how badly you feel that Trump was so UNsuccessful in plotting and engineering a coup last time, but I'm sure he'll try his best to do much better next time!
Enthusiasm is contagious.
DeleteI’m happy but not orgasmic.
DeletePP is being snarky about his own adjective. No one expects you to be orgasmic. It is the kind of word Trump would have used, to remind people that Harris is a "ho".
DeleteThis is a free country, so anyone can be as snarky or sarcastic as they want -- but we are also free to think they're assholes for doing it.
Dumbass at 4:24. Biden withdrew from the race and gave a nice speech last night without a gun to his head. On the one hand your cult would have it that he is incapable mentally to run this country and on the other your cult would like for him to have been on the ballot. You have some serious mental problems.
DeleteEvery one of these anonymices was in spasms as to calls for Biden to step down.
DeleteIt was all engineered by the right, faked videos, Biden was just great…all until Pelosi and company laid down the law.
Now it was all their idea
That isn’t true. I’ve been saying the removal of Biden was undemocratic. I’ve said that here. And yes, videos were faked, just like they are still being faked. Pelosi put political gain ahead of democracy because Trump is the greater threat to our country. So did Biden, which is why he got that huge ovation last night.
DeleteYou are a lying troll
Cecelia, Please make exception for a good anonymice like me, @4:24. We are not all the same.
DeleteI am also happy that the blue tribe is orgasmic. Just don’t pillage and burn cities the day after the election.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:53pm, anonymices are indistinguishable. You want it that way. It’s why you don’t take nyms.
DeleteThe anonymouse coven was dead-set against Biden stepping down regardless of arguments that it would help, not hurt their chances.
Cecelia, your understanding of the objections is way off. Biden earned the nomination, has been a good president, and there was no guarantee that what came after would work out. But thanks for telling those of us who objected that our opinions don’t count because they didn’t genuflect before Somerby and the media.
DeleteAnonymouse 7:26pm, I’m glad to tell you that your opinions were off because they were obviously off to anyone with any sense.
DeleteDon’t bother to act as though yours was some sort of reasoned principled stance. You spent too much time reflexively shaking your head no and calling other people names for being correct.
Cecelia, no one could have foreseen what came after Biden. There were some calling for an open convention, chaos was looming, Harris was not a sure thing. There is a Republican talking point, echoed by anonymous trolls here, that what happened was undemocratic. Why don’t you allow liberals and Democrats to have opinions that vary from Somerby? There was genuine concern about the unprecedented step of Biden stepping down at this point in the race. You act as if only Somerby’s opinion is worth considering.
DeleteAnonymouse 7:35pm, you don’t have “opinions that vary from Somerby”. You have insult fests against Somerby and his opinions. Your opinion invariably varies from Somerby’s opinion. You’re here for your opinion to vary from Somerby’s.
DeleteIn the course of that you insulted other people who didn’t share your opinion. Why don’t you ask who was in charge of the U. S. for four years? Why don’t you ask why Pelosi and company let it get so far?
Now you’re in the process of not asking Kamala anything because she shouldn’t have to answer anything.
Just fuck off, Cecelia. I am not every anonymous, trying to have a genteel conversation with you, but you’re too much a piece of shit for that.
DeleteAnonymouse 7:51pm, you’re who?
DeleteAnyone using "Anonymous" should put their name and contact info in the comment section. Otherwise the implication of Cecelia's dumb joke (that others are less brave than them) is empty, and it's much like Trump calling someone "crocked" etc. Actually it's a good illustration of how the right is has all but ruined our civility.
Delete10:57 - A nym is a courtesy.
Delete4:24,
DeleteYup. I loved when the media followed the Right-wing's memes to push Biden out of the election, and the Democrats gave them what they wanted, nice and hard for a change.
Is that what has you upset? That the media thought they were hurting the Democratic Party, but it didn't work out for them.
Boo-fucking-hoo.
Anonymous 7:51 is using a nym called Cecelia and is not anonymous at all. Cecelia should know which comments she wrote.
DeletePP, the idea of extending courtesy to people like you and Cecelia is a huge joke when you are the least civil people here. You and she want nyms in order to play gotcha and you are just frustrated because no one wants to hold still while you bash them.
Ah! So you admit that you are an Anon because you want to be able to hide! I see.
DeleteMaybe I like your metaphor better. You are an Anon because you don’t want to “stand still.” You’d prefer to be able to duck and weave. It reminds me of the famous Norman Rockwell First Amendment painting where a man is forthrightly standing and speaking his mind at a town meeting. If it were you, you’d be shouting from the back of the room and then running out the door.
DeleteAnd you accuse me of incivility, but who’s been uncivil here? You are the one who called me an “asshole” in this thread, right? Or can you hide and say it was some other Anon? And how should I treat you when I don’t know?
Delete6:48 - You say you’re a Good Anon, but did you ever think about how you give cover to Bad Anons?
DeleteCecelia is a man pretending to be a woman.
DeletePP pretends to be a Dem.
DIC pretends all kinds of things.
This is in part why they have no credibility nor relevancy; just stop engaging with them.
And you are a commenter pretending to be normal.
Delete12:48 - Frankly, I'm wondering if you're really a progressive, as you claim. The progressives I know will defer to any person's gender self-identification, but you are absolutely obsessed with a bizarre crusade to (falsely) out Cecelia as a man.
DeleteRampell is arguing against her own assumptions not what Harris said. She’s allowed to change those assumptions, which weren’t real to begin with.
ReplyDelete"Fox continues to engage in sexist attacks against Vice President, and Democratic Presidential nominee, Kamala Harris. During the opening night of the Democratic National Convention, Fox host Jesse Watters dedicated a segment of his program to suggesting that Kamala is too afraid to address the media or even supporters, calling the potential first woman commander-in-chief a "little princess." [Meidas Touch]
ReplyDeleteThis is the way to win the women's vote. All those independent and undecided women will now flock to Trump -- NOT. Seriously, how do Republicans expect to win? Clearly, they are trying to attract the misogynist vote at the expense of women voters, who they have perhaps written off. I don't think that is a winning strategy based on the number of such men still undecided, but I could be overestimating men's concern for women's interests. If so, the number of lonely SOBs may increase after the election. Given what is at stake, Trump's social experiment seems foolhardy. He can always buy another Melania, but what will his less wealthy followers do, especially after they've sent Trump all their money?
Here is some actual media criticism:
ReplyDeletehttps://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2024/08/step-aside-little-lady-and-let-man-do.html?m=1
It is about media sexism aimed at Harris by the NYTimes. I don’t always agree with this guy but he is doing the kind of analysis Somerby cannot or will not do.
Anonymouse 6:20pm, you almost always agree with any claim as to sexism or racism toward anyone who you’re championing. Your exception would be if Bob had leveled it on behalf of Comma La,. Then you’d say that he waged it upon the wrong grounds or in a way that weakened her, but with anyone else
Deleteand on behalf of the right person, you have charges like this on your intellectual speed dial.
Triggered, aren’t you?
DeleteSending you thoughts and prayers, Cecelia.
DeleteTrump:
ReplyDelete“I read a so-called Republican,
who Ronald Reagan did not like,
and she did not like him,
but she got credit for being
this Reagan speechwriter—highly
overrated—I don't know anything about her.
I don't know her. Treat me badly, but
that's OK. She called me wrong. She's called
it wrong for about eight years. She said
one thing that got me, "Kamala has one
big advantage. She is a very beautiful
woman. She's a beautiful woman."
So I decided to go back and reread—
I say that I'm much better looking
than her. I'm a better looking
person than Kamala. No, I couldn't
believe it. I had never heard that one.
They said her biggest advantage is
she's a beautiful woman. I'm going no—
I never thought of that. I'm better
looking than she is.”
You gonna vote for this clown, DiC and Cecelia?
Must have been Peggy Noonan.
DeleteAnonhmouse 7:31pm, I take no issue with Trump saying he’s more beautiful than Kamala. That’s an opinion.
Do you feel angered by Peggy saying that beauty is Comma La’s sole asset?
🙄
DeleteExactly. So don’t bring up this bullshit.
DeleteIt’s evidence that Trump is deranged.
DeleteAnonymouse 8:58pm, It was a facetious and sarcastic response to a statement that was more of a slight against Harris than a compliment of her.
DeleteThere's no hint of facetiousness or sarcasm in Trump's delivery. On top of that, this fits in PERFECTLY with the mental derangement Trump has exhibited for years now. This is a "man" who insists HE has the biggest crowds --- over, and over, and over again. A "man" who feels the need, as a presidential candidate, to tell the public his dick isn't small. He constantly has to shit on others and prop himself up. He's now losing to a woman, a black woman at that, and it's eating him up. So someone says she's attractive, and he can't stand it. So like a five year old, he has to say, "Nuh uh, no she's not! I'm more attractive than she is!" I mean, are you serious?? After nearly 10 years of this shit, you still can't see what Somerby is talking about when he says Trump is disordered?
DeleteCecelia is disordered.
DeleteUnless it's about bigotry, I'm never bothered by anything a Right-winger says. They are just voicing an opinion they haven't bothered to think through, nor do they really believe anyway.
DeleteThe American supermarket is an incredible achievement of the free enterprise system. They supply an enormous variety of foods, including daily deliveries of fruits, vegetables, meats and fish. They're highly efficient, with an average markup of only 2.2%. They're convenient.
ReplyDeleteKamala now proposes to get the government involved, even though there are no actual problems. Anything she does can only make things worse. The only question is how much damage she will do.
Markets have been making record profits for the past 5 years.
DeleteSo that means it’s time to get the government involved?
DeleteWasn't this already clarified? She's proposing a very moderate law against price gouging during emergency situations, similar to laws already in place in many states.
Delete11:45 Don't rain on DIC's parade. On the other hand, economists have now weighed in on the effect of Trump's proposed fiscal policies versus a continuation of the current administration's, on the deficit. Trump's adding 4 trillion dollars to the deficit, continuing current policy subtracting 3 trillion. This is largely because going back decades, to Saint Ronald, Republican tax policy has been embedded in the belief that tax policy aimed at shoveling money to the richest is a viable concept, despite all empirical evidence to the contrary. Google the comparison between Democrat and Republican administrations and GDP, job growth, unemployment, stock market growth, and virtually every parameter of economic health in this country and you will understand why Donald Trump once remarked that the economy does better during Democratic presidencies. Until that time that Republicans abandon tax and fiscal policy that is bad for this country, and we have over a half century of solid evidence showing this, anyone interested in the financial well being of this country as a priority should not be voting Republican. DIC can wring his hands over Harris's comments much as just a couple weeks back Republicans pretended that tampon dispensers were mandated in boy's restrooms in Minnesota, but the big picture, the one that goes back over half a century does not favor Republican, and especially Donald Trump's version of how to manage the economy.
DeleteDavid in Cal,
DeleteThe Democratic Party is not being fair.
Inflation and Biden's age/ cognitive decline, were supposed to be the cudgel's the Right and the media were supposed to beat the Democrats with.
Had the Right and the media known this is what's going to happen, they would have wasted so much times playing up inflation and Biden's age.
It sucks to be them.
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Deletehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/errolschweizer/2024/02/07/why-your-groceries-are-still-so-expensive/
ReplyDeleteClearly, no one has adequately addressed the price gouging that has occurred at the source here. The question that should be asked is, who is more likely to do so? A politician whose career as a lawyer includes successfully representing the public and consumers, or one whose family engaged, as a matter of policy, in price gouging low income family rental properties? One whose administration has made inroads in controlling the price paid by Medicare for high price drugs or a party with a history of block voting against any legislation aimed at leveraging the buying power of the federal government against the mendacity of the pharmaceutical industry? Donald Trump and the party he now owns have zero track record of even voicing a concern about controlling consumer costs. Any suggestion that the federal government should be involved in controlling the profiteering going on here is immediately labeled socialism or worse by republicans who have always and without fail pledged strict allegiance to their corporate sponsors.
David in Cal, If the geniuses in politics who have never held a productive private sector job in their life can fix grocery prices by regulation, we should also do this. Appoint an incompetent panel that looks like actors in a Disney remake (black women, white women a few of them Hispanic looking, black men, one Hispanic man and one wimpy white guy who looks like Doug Imhoff). They should then dictate to Apple what features to put in the next iPhone/iOS, mandate the price, and decide on the factories where it will be manufactured. Go full Bernie. Apple may be down with your cause and give you so much money, but they are still greedy capitalist bastards.
ReplyDelete12:04 It takes a certain amount of courage to call out price fixing and gouging when your cause may be the beneficiary of dollars spent by the guilty parties. I take it that you think the pharmaceutical industry and its US pricing system is the only example in which the consumer in this country is subject to abusive market behaviors or possibly even their activities are pristine, driven by market forces, in your view. If the government has no business worrying about such matters then Republicans have no business complaining about the current administration for grocery prices that were jacked up in the private sector ostensibly by supply chain issues and remain elevated now for profit margins.
ReplyDeletePublix, the largest chain of grocery stores in Florida, posted a 49% profit increase in 2023.
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