Sykes performs bafflement on Morning Joe!

THURSDAY, AUGUST 29, 2024

Also, who is Karoline Leavitt? Years ago, we advanced the following dictum:

It's all anthropology now.

What did we mean by that? We meant there's no reason to expect a serious improvement in the national discourse.  All that's left is the attempt to discern why we behave as we do.

We human beings don't seem to be wired for sterling performances of that type. We're stuck with our deeply imperfect human nature, pretty much all the way down. That fact has become quite clear at this point in time.

Below, we'll ask you to think about the behavior of a major Trump campaign spokesperson. First, though, consider what Charlie Sykes said on today's Morning Joe.

Charlie Sykes is a good, decent person. Here's a thumbnail, as prepared by the leading authority:

Charlie Sykes

Charles Jay Sykes (born November 11, 1954) is an American political commentator who was editor-in-chief of the website The Bulwark. From 1993 to 2016, Sykes hosted a conservative talk show on WTMJ in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He was also the editor of Right Wisconsin which was co-owned with WTMJ's then-parent company E. W. Scripps. Sykes is a frequent commentator on MSNBC.

For twenty-three years, he hosted a conservative talk radio show—but then, along came Donald J. Trump. Today, Sykes is a persistent anti-Trump voice on MSNBC programs. 

He'll be voting the same way we will this fall. Tens of millions of fellow citizens won't.

Sykes is smart, and he's anti-Trump. This morning, in the wake of the recent incident at Arlington National Cemetry, he offered a lengthy assessment of Candidate Trump.

We'd be inclined to describe this as a performance of bafflement, as an unconvincing assertion of paradox:

SYKES (8/29/24): Well, this is the great paradox of Donald Trump. His own record of non-service is, of course, well documented. But so is this long record of denigrating the service of others and his contempt. And yet he continues to wrap himself as the champion of the military. And many veterans seem to think that he is an ally of the military. But you walk through, you look at this picture that you’re showing, right now. I mean, there’s something deeply unnatural about this:

Who poses, posing with a thumbs-up in front of a grave of a fallen soldier? Who does that? Somebody who, frankly, just does not understand what this sacrifice means.

And you go back through, whether it’s the attack on John McCain for being a POW, or his suggestion at one point that he did not want the disabled veterans to be in an Independence Day military parade because it would make him look bad. Or his comments to his former chief of staff, retired General John Kelly, when they went to Arlington in 2017, and they’re standing next to John Kelly’s son Robert, who was a lieutenant, who was killed in Afghanistan. And Donald Trump said to General Kelly, “I don’t understand why they do this. What’s in it for them?” Or when he refused to go to the military cemetery in France, calling them “losers” and “suckers.”

And, you know, for people who have been around Donald Trump, this continues to be shocking that someone who is the commander-in-chief just does not seem, at some core of his being, does not seem to understand why people give their lives for their country. And again, you want to talk about cognitive dissonance, this is a man who wants to be thought of as “America First, USA,” the defender of American strength. And yet, when it comes down to it, time and again, whether it’s Gold Star families, whether it’s Medal of Honor winners, there’s something broken in Donald Trump that makes it impossible for him to understand that kind of sacrifice and heroism.

Who behaves the way Donald Trump does? Who says and does the kinds of thing Trump persistently does?

"Who does that?" Sykes asked at one point. We'll assume he knows that one fairly obvious type of answer lies in the realm of medical science—in the realm of mental health / mental illness / severe clinical "personality disorder."

He also knows the rules of the game—he isn't supposed to say that. He ends up with this euphemistic performance of bafflement:

Who does [things like] that?...Something is broken in Trump.

Do you believe that Sykes was saying what he really believes about Trump? We'll guess that the answer is no, but he's willing to go on at length, declaring the matter a "paradox."

Years ago, none of the adults in a mythical empire were willing to say that their emperor was lacking a new suit of clothes. Today, with one exception, Blue America's pundit corps all stage a similar performance. 

Simply put, this is the best we American humans seems to be able to do at this point in time. 

"Something we were withholding made us weak," Robert Frost once wrote. In the current circumstance, there's no way to know how this widespread act of withholding is going to turn out.

Then too, there's 27-year-old Karoline Leavitt, a spokesperson for the Trump campaign. This morning, on CNN, she refused to answer John Berman's simple repeated question.

The exchange was transcribed by Mediaite's Tommy Christopher. How do we explain such soul-draining evasion as this, especially from someone so young?

BERMAN (8/29/24): You say that Donald Trump was the candidate of stability. Why was Donald Trump, over the last 36 hours on his social media, reposting slogans from QAnon and reposting misogynistic, sexist content about Vice President Harris?

LEAVITT: Well, look, I don’t think your viewers at home are concerned about social media posts.

I think they are concerned with the news of the day, and the news of the day is that a Venezuelan illegal immigrant crime gang has taken over a hotel in rural Colorado because of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden’s open border policies. The news of the day is that, again, gasoline prices are 50% higher today than they were under Donald Trump.

BERMAN: Can you answer—

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BERMAN: Do you know why?

LEAVITT: The news of the day—

BERMAN: Do you know why he reposted that content?

LEAVITT: I haven’t been able to talk to President Trump yet this morning because he is calling in to media interviews, unlike Kamala Harris, who has been avoiding the press for more than 40 days.

And we’re excited that CNN finally has the opportunity to question Kamala Harris tonight about her disastrous record. And we hope that Dana Bash and we’re confident that she will we’ll ask tough questions of Kamala Harris’s record.

Because, again, Americans aren't concerned with social media posts and silly memes. They are concerned with the problems that are plaguing them in their families right now. And they need and deserve answers to the questions of Kamala Harris. Does she still support a ban on fracking? Does Kamala Harris still support eliminating cash bail for violent criminals? Does Kamala Harris still support decriminalizing illegal immigration? 

And again, I ask, and I hope CNN will ask Kamala Harris this tonight. Does she why does she believe she deserves a promotion when she has been responsible for the failures of the past four years?

BERMAN: Did you ask Doctor Phil, or did you tell Doctor Phil what questions you hoped he would ask before interviewing Donald Trump?

LEAVITT: No, we don’t have to do that. Unlike the Democrats who have—

BERMAN: Okay, okay—

LEAVITT: —questions to Democrat candidate in debates.

BERMAN: And so I want, I will talk about—I will talk about the interview in a second here. But I do want to ask you, again—the social media content reposted by the Republican nominee in the last 36 hours. How do you explain it? How do you explain why he is reposting content from QAnon and this misogynistic content?

LEAVITT: Again, I will say I have not spoken to President Trump about that content this morning, and I don’t think Americans are concerned with social media posts.

But you said misogynistic. I assume you’re also going to say that the posts were demeaning to women. I think what’s demeaning to women is what has been allowed to happen over the last four years.

I think what’s demeaning to women is the fact that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden are allowing an invasion of illegal criminals into our country, many of whom have proven to be rapists and murderers. I think what’s demeaning to women like Laken Riley and Jocelyn Gray and Rachel Morin is the fact that they are no longer with us because of the policies of this administration, and that is what voters and your viewers care about, John.

BERMAN: Well, look, I think the voters can care about a number of things. And when there’s content being reposted that uses QAnon slogans and when there are these sexist, misogynistic posts, it’s interesting to me that you can’t, you’re not—you don’t think they’re bad. You have no problem with them.

LEAVITT: I didn’t say that. I said that I—

BERMAN: Do you care? Do you care?

LEAVITT: I care about what’s happening to our country right now. I care about the fact that, as a new mother, baby formula is 30% higher and costs more than it did under President Trump. I care about the fact that we have a vice president, or vice president today who wants to be the president of the United States, that hasn’t sat down for an interview in more than 40 days to explain her position.

Berman tried and tried and tried and tried. Leavitt just kept evading, in a wide assortment of ways.

It got worse than that among the Trump staffers who slimed the woman who tried to maintain established rules at the national cemetery:

First the woman in question was shoved, then she was aggressively slimed. As we've noted many times, established studies seem to suggest that severe, clinical "personality disorders" are more widely found within the society than a layperson might understand.

Charlie Sykes is a good, decent person. We're often stunned by Leavitt's behavior. After that, it gets much worse. It gets pretty ugly back there.

This is the world of real human behavior. For better or worse, our journalists refuse to discuss clinical mental health disorders within the political context.

In this way, they shut off us off from a major part of possible discernment—from our ability to start to understand the real events of the actual human world.

Fuller disclosure: Frost went on to say this:

Something we were withholding made us weak
Until we found out that it was ourselves
We were withholding from our land of living,
And forthwith found salvation in surrender...

It was ourselves we'd been withholding! Or at least, so the poet said.

55 comments:

  1. This is the last straw. David and Cecelia will not vote for Donald Trump.

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  2. Bob is wrong IMO. That was not a sensible question — it was a smear and an unfair one. It assumed, that anything connected with QAnon must be bad. The question didn’t say what the complaint was actually about. The question was properly ignored.

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    1. is there anything connected with Qanon that is good?

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    2. "It assumed, that anything connected with QAnon must be bad."

      Sharp eye, David. I'll let you pick out the good parts from this Wikipedia description:

      QAnon centers on fabricated claims made by an anonymous individual or individuals known as "Q". Those claims have been relayed and developed by online communities and influencers.

      Their core belief is that a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic child molesters is operating a global child sex trafficking ring that conspired against president Donald Trump.

      Followers believe the Trump administration secretly fought the cabal of pedophiles, and would conduct arrests and executions of thousands of cabal members on a day known as "the Storm" or "the Event".

      QAnon conspiracy believers have named Democratic politicians, Hollywood actors, high-ranking government officials, business tycoons, and medical experts as members of the cabal.

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    3. Hector, hands down you're the best, and the funniest.

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    4. Maybe DIC would like to contribute some glowing praise to a subset of activities engaged in by QANON, instead of alluding to them with thoughtless commentary.

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    5. Having lived through Joseph McCarthy and HUAC I'm sensitive to guilt by association. Kamala's father was a Communist economist. Does that mean Kamala is a Communist? Of course not. Walz very often visited Communist China. Does that mean he's a Communist?

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    6. go fuck yourself, Dickhead. Two fucking smears in a row. You'd have been very comfortable working for Joe.

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    7. Thanks, @5:33 for agreeing with me that smears like that are inappropriate.

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    8. Who the fuck do you think you're kidding, Dickhead?
      Now explain what that has to do with your fucking foul presidential candidate posting QAnon shit, you fucking depraved bastard.

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    9. PP,

      thanks. But I owe a lot to a target-rich environment.

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    10. @5:41 I already told you. Smears based on guilt by association are inappropriate.

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    11. Dickhead, trump is the one behaving in a gross uncivilized manner. His guilt is his association with himself, you fucking depraved asshole. I understand that makes him very attractive to you, but not civilized people.

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    12. Harris didn’t grow up with her father. Is David suggesting Communist beliefs are hereditary?

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    13. @6:39 -- I'll try again. What I am attempting to suggest is that guilt by association is inappropriate, whether it's Kamala's father Communism or Trump's alleged connection with QAnon.

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    14. "alleged" - go fuck yourself, Dickhead.

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    15. Reposting QAnon is more than “alleged”

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    16. I'll try yet again. The questioner did not say what the post was that Trump reposted. Perhaps it was something reasonable. We don't know. The smear was in trying to get Trump to talk about QAnon.

      But, QAnon is irrelevant to his candidacy. We know pretty clearly what Trump believes. And, it's not Satanic cannibalism. If Trump is elected we can expect much more effectiveness in keeping illegal immigrants out. We can expect more oil drilling. We can expect less focus on DEI. We can probably expect no tax increase. We can expect tariffs.

      QAnon has nothing to do with how Trump will behave as President. It's a smear to try to get him to talk about something irrelevant as if it mattered.

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    17. https://archive.is/2024.08.29-200258/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-fascism-qanon-truth-social-posting-spree-1235089984/

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    18. Right, Dickhead. He has nothing to do with Project 2025 either. LOL

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    19. "QAnon has nothing to do with how Trump will behave as President. It's a smear to try to get him to talk about something irrelevant"

      For starters, a smear is a false accusation, and it isn't false that Trump re-posted QANON tweets and has done so in the past.

      In a 2022 poll, 25% of Republicans expressed some belief in QANON , a number that can only rise when the leader of the party retweets what they say.

      If you think it's irrelevant that a significant % of one party thinks the other party is led by Satanic cannibals, you have no idea how democracy works, and I kind of wonder if you care how it works.

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    20. David, since you made the claim, provide proof that Professor Harris was a member - a member - of the communist party. The fact that as an economist he studied Karl Marx among many other economists and economic theorists or that Thomas Sowell thinks he is is not proof.

      Otherwise, you're just prattling another baseless smear. In other news, the sun rose from the east this morning.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris

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    21. @David
      "Walz very often visited Communist China. Does that mean he's a Communist?"

      Do I remember incorrectly? Did you not recently post that Walz has a strange relationship with China?

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    22. Leo -- I was wrong to capitalize the word "communist." All I meant was that he had economic beliefs resembling communism.

      Quaker -- I apologize for an unclear post. I meant to argue against tarring Kamala with her father's alleged communist beliefs and to argue against tarring Walz as some kind of communist because of his unusually close relationship with Communist China. I called this relationship "strange" because it is quite unusual. It's hard for me to think of another Caucasian American who has visited China so many times and even honeymooned there.

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    23. Anyone who taught English in an Asian country and became fond of the people would have the same experience. It is quite common as an entry to teaching for those who didn’t follow that career path from college. Go rewatch Good Morning Vietnam for an example. People honeymooned in Paris because of US involvement in WWII during that generation. For boomers it is someplace else now.

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    24. Behold David in his Gish gallop. He meant that Professor Harris held "some" communist beliefs despite calling him a communist several times.

      All right. I'll play:
      "Marxism is a political philosophy and method of socioeconomic analysis [that] uses a dialectical materialist interpretation of historical development, better known as historical materialism, to analyze class relations, social conflict, and social transformation.... Marxism has developed over time into various branches and schools of thought, and as a result, there is no single, definitive Marxist theory." (Wikipedia)

      "Communism is a political, social, and economic ideology that advocates the replacement of private ownership and profit-based economies with a classless economic system under which the means of production—buildings, machinery, tools, and labor—are communally owned, with private ownership of property either prohibited or severely limited by the state." (Thoughtco).

      See the difference?

      Once more David, what proof do you have that Doctor Harris has some (small c) communist beliefs and what are they?

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    25. It's late and I missed this: "he [Doctor Harris] had economic beliefs resembling communism."

      What proof do you have in support of these beliefs and what are they?

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    26. "...and to argue against tarring Walz as some kind of communist because of his unusually close relationship with Communist China. I called this relationship 'strange' because it is quite unusual."

      I see. Just an observation, really, with no polemic purpose at all, no. No suggestion that his "strange" relationship to China was in any way indicative of his beliefs, character, or loyalty, eh?

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    27. Everyone please take note of what David in Cal has done here. All this back and forth and he never once addresses the core issue - what the lunatic he is supporting is up in the middle of the night on Xitter reposting a bunch of QAnon conspiracy bullshit. Instead he derails the issue right off the bat by introducing a couple smears on Harris and Walz and gets everyone arguing about the validity of those smears. Mission accomplished for David. This is what David does all the time. The charge that Harris's father is a communist (should we just say Commie, Dickhead, like you did in the old days in the John Birch club?) is now just "out there".

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    28. It assumed, that anything connected with QAnon must be bad.
      That seems like an imminently reasonable assumption. Just like some people assume that anything connected with witch burning is bad.

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    29. Once more David, what proof do you have that Doctor Harris has some (small c) communist beliefs and what are they?

      This is where Dickhead in Cal ducks and disappears.

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  3. Somerby's been overdue for one of his misanthropic screeds.

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  4. “ What did we mean by that? We meant there's no reason to expect a serious improvement in the national discourse. All that's left is the attempt to discern why we behave as we do.”

    Somerby has this reversed. We study why people do things in orderto change for the better, not vice versa.

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  5. .... an invasion of criminals into our country, many of whom have proven to be rapists and murderers ...
    I would say that you cannot make this nonsense up, but the Republicans have turned fabricating such disinformation into a cottage industry. Data compiled by the state of Texas (not the reviled FBI) show crime rates on a continually downward trend over the last four years in that state. That the mainstream press accepts such obvious BS from Trump mouthpieces without push back is the real story here, not whether Charlie Sykes is pulling punches. We all know what he means in talking about Trump.

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  6. Trump reposted an obscene personal attack on Kamala and Hillary. David will not vote for Trump. Will not.

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  7. I am getting tired of this “Comma La is a highly accomplished woman” claptrap. She is a mediocrity, a DEI-spawn who by a stroke of incredible luck, fell all the way to the top and is now a candidate for President. It is entirely legitimate to ask how she got her career started. If what is said is so demeaning, why did she do it? If it takes crude jokes to pop this fake joy balloon, so be it. Trump has been subjected to far greater abuse.

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    1. Right and JD Vance is super intelligent and Trump had someone else take his tests for him.

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    2. Kamala may never have done it at all. Dating someone doesn’t dictate it.

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    3. Who cares what a troll is tired of?

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    4. "...by a stroke of incredible luck, fell all the way to the top and is now a candidate for President."

      Entirely unlike her opponent, right?

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    5. She is a mediocrity, a DEI-spawn who by a stroke of incredible luck, fell all the way to the top and is now a candidate for President. It is entirely legitimate to ask how she got her career started.
      That's how the dumb fucking crackers like yourself choose to frame it. However, she's been elected to multiple high offices, so, no, it makes no difference how her career got started. We know that it didn't start by inheriting millions and millions from her father, like what's his face.
      Speaking of DEI, when Trump-like creatures show up in different colors, e.g. Hershel Walker, they get uniformly rejected. How's it that Trump is succeeding? Could it be because he's a cracker?

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  8. Trump poisons everything he touches. Latest victim: Arlington National Cemetary.

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  9. "Who does that?" Sykes asked at one point. We'll assume he knows that one fairly obvious type of answer lies in the realm of medical science—in the realm of mental health / mental illness / severe clinical "personality disorder."

    He also knows the rules of the game—he isn't supposed to say that.

    Sykes isn't a doctor or a psychiatrist or a psychologist or any other type of medical professional. He isn't qualified to diagnose the candidate.

    He is correct to say that such behavior is abnormal, even unprecedented.

    I wouldn't fault him if he said, colloquially, that Trump's behavior is nutty.

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  10. Apparently, Donald J Chickenshit is now pissing on the US Army. Is everyone not fucking sick of this monstrosity yet? Exceptions made for dumb fucking trump groupies like Dickhead in Cal.

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    1. What's so bad about pissing on the US Army?

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    2. Oh, it’s great. I hope Trump continues it.

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    3. 9:13: So, I'll put you down in the Dickhead column, my glib snotnosed friend.

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  11. When Sykes says there is something “broken” in Trump, doesn’t that include the possibility of sociopathy, mental illness, and/or deliberate cruelty? Somerby himself only said, in his previous post, that Trump is “possibly” mentally ill, so that implies there is room for other possibilities. It’s amazing that Somerby chastises people for not stating with certainty that Trump is mentally ill, and accuses them of “performing” when they don’t say it, when he himself has vacillated between calling Trump a sociopath and (“possibly”) some form of mentally ill. Those terms are not identical, and both imply a speculation, just as Somerby accuses those who call Trump a liar of mind reading. Ironic, since he ascribes motives to Sykes that he has apparently read from his mind.

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  12. Leavitt said:
    "I think they are concerned with the news of the day, and the news of the day is that a Venezuelan illegal immigrant crime gang has taken over a hotel in rural Colorado"

    Not a hotel, but an apartment complex and not in "rural" Colorado, but in Aurora, the state's second most populous city that sits adjacent to Denver.

    And not "taken over" really at all.

    But carry on.

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  13. Iran has further increased its stockpile of uranium enriched to near weapons-grade levels in defiance of international demands, a confidential report by the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog said Thursday.

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    1. IAEA chief, Rafael Mariano Grossi, has previously warned that Tehran has enough uranium enriched to near-weapons-grade levels to make “several” nuclear bombs if it chose to do so. He has acknowledged the U.N. agency cannot guarantee that none of Iran’s centrifuges may have been peeled away for clandestine enrichment.

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    2. Thanks for reminding us of one of Trump's greatest foreign policy blunders, Dickhead.

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    3. Gosh. It's too bad we don't have some sort of, you know, agreement negotiated with our allies and the Iranians to get them not to do that. Thanks a lot, Brandon!

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  14. Trump leaves a trail of slime wherever he goes. Arlington National Cemetary was his latest victim. This is an example of what Dickhead in Cal refers to as "Trump's expertise as a super-persuader"

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