NORMALIZATION(S): The soul of Joe McCarthy survives...

MONDAY, AUGUST 12, 2024

...with respect to Walz and China: From weekend to weekend, the lineup changes on the Fox News Channel's ramblin' wreck of a "cable news" program, The Big Weekend Show.

Other elements of the show are completely reliable. There are always four panelists on the show—and they always agree with everyone else on every single point. 

That said, The Big Weekend Show is pure propaganda—and the Big Stupid never leaves.

This journalistic garbage can is broadcast on Saturday and Sunday nights. Last evening, the lineup looked like this:

The Big Weekend Show, 8/11/24
Joe Concha: Fox News contributor
Sara Carter: Fox News contributor
Gianno Caldwell: Fox News political analyst
Anita Vogel: News reporter, Fox News Channel

It's hard to believe that Vogel doesn't know better, but that was last night's cast. The program aired at 7 p.m., with rebroadcasts all through the night.

The ridiculous conduct seen on this show has been normalized through mainstream press corps neglect.

There's nothing to see here—just move along! Skillfully avoiding a battle with Fox, that's what Blue America's high-end journalists and news orgs have relentlessly said.

These normalizations have been general over the Fox News Channel. For today, let's consider what those four cast members said, last night, about Candidate Tim Walz.

More specifically, let's consider what they said about Candidate Walz and his troubling affection for China.

A front-page report in today's New York Times makes last night's recitation especially relevant. Online, the lengthy report by Qin and Bradsher carries this dual headline:

Tim Walz’s Long Relationship With China Defies Easy Stereotypes
Mr. Walz, the Democrats’ vice-presidential nominee, taught in China and has visited the country around 30 times. But he has also been critical of the Chinese government’s human rights record.

This lengthy report echoes the report in the Washington Post which we discussed last Wednesday. This was the theme of the Post's report:

Tim Walz has had a lifelong love affair with the people of China. But in part for that very reason, he has often been harshly critical of the Chinese government.

How did this relationship with the Chinese people begin? Here's the nugget account from today's report in the Times:

Tim Walz’s Long Relationship With China Defies Easy Stereotypes

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Mr. Walz was 25 when he arrived at Foshan No. 1 High School in southern China, near Hong Kong, as part of the WorldTeach program, a nonprofit affiliated with Harvard University. The school is in one of Foshan’s oldest neighborhoods, where thick banyan trees dangle aerial roots over sidewalks and streets.

Mr. Walz soon settled into the cocoon of daily life on a small-town campus, even as the chaos of the Tiananmen Square crackdown more than 1,100 miles away rippled across the country. He taught four English and U.S. history classes a day with about 65 students in each class. As one of the first American teachers at the school, he was afforded small luxuries like an air-conditioner and a monthly salary of around $80—double what the local teachers earned.

Students loved their “big-nosed” teacher, giving him the nickname “Fields of China” because his kindness, they explained to him, was so expansive. For Christmas, some of his students and friends cut down a pine tree, decorated it and brought it to his room.

“No matter how long I live, I’ll never be treated that well again,” Mr. Walz told the Star-Herald in Scottsbluff, Neb., in 1990.

Upon his return to Nebraska in 1990, he told the Star-Herald that going to China was “one of the best things” he had ever done. But he said he also felt that the Chinese people had been mistreated and cheated by their government for years.

“If they had the proper leadership, there are no limits on what they could accomplish,” Mr. Walz said at the time. “They are such kind, generous, capable people.”

We can't verify every word, but that's how the nugget explains it. Based on the Times' reporting, it doesn't seem that Walz had been brainwashed by the Chinese Communists at this point in time.

As in the earlier Post report, Qin and Bradsher report the aftermath of that initial trip. "The one year that Mr. Walz spent teaching English in southern China was the start of what would become a decades-long relationship with the country," they write. 

"As high school teachers in Nebraska and Minnesota, Mr. Walz and his wife, Gwen, regularly led trips to China in the 1990s and early 2000s to introduce students to China’s history and culture. 

"Mr. Walz has said that he has traveled to China some 30 times, including for his honeymoon," the reporters note. That said, they also describe his approach to the Chinese government during his twelve years as a congressman:

As a congressman, Mr. Walz did not shy away from talking about his experience in China.

But he was also critical of the Chinese government from the start. And over his 12-year tenure in the House, Mr. Walz’s criticisms of China’s human rights record became even sharper, especially as the Chinese government took a more authoritarian turn under Xi Jinping.

Mr. Walz served on the Congressional-Executive Commission on China, a bipartisan group of lawmakers focused on monitoring and reporting on human rights and the rule of law in China. Transcripts show that other commission members often praised Mr. Walz for his expertise.

“You are a great asset to our commission,” Representative Chris Smith, Republican from New Jersey and then-chairman of the commission, said to Mr. Walz during a 2011 hearing.

For the record, Rep. Smith was a very conservative Republican. Based on the Times' reporting, he apparently didn't think that Congressman Walz was a dupe of the Red Chinese. 

There's a lot more detail in the Times report. We'll skip ahead to what happened last night after the journalistic clown-car arrived at the Fox News Channel.

The functionaries spilled out of the car and were handed their scripts. They started the segment to which we refer by playing tape of Senator Tom Cotton offering this flashback to an earlier era:

VOGEL (8/11/24): What should voters make of this All-American man's love affair with China? Tom Cotton warns this is something to worry about:

COTTON (videotape): Tim Walz has a terrible record on China, just like Kamala Harris does. 

He's consistently appeased and conciliated the Chinese Communist Party, and has repeatedly said we don't need to have an adversarial relationship with China, when China is insisting on having an adversarial relationship with the United States because they want to replace us as the world's dominant superpower.

That's the tape Vogel played. The pseudo-discussion continued from there:

VOGEL (continuing directly): OK. So Tim Walz has spent a lot of time in China. He was a teacher there during the Tiananmen Square crackdown and he said, of his time in China, "No matter how long I live, I will never be treated that well again."

CALDWELL: [Laughter]

CARTER. Wowwwww! Woww! You know, I think he thinks that if he wears his camo hat and flashes his Dad bod, Xi Jinping will just cower to him, right?

Just so you'll understand, the flyweights were blending their pseudo-discussion of China with pointless commentary about a Harris-Walz camo hat. Also, with commentary about an opinion column about masculinity in the Washington Post.

With that explained, let's move ahead. And since you're asking, here's your answer:

No, you can't get dumber than that! And as the employees continued their chatter, the stupidity only grew:

VOGEL (continuing directly): I don't know—I mean, it's sort of an odd thing to say. I mean, Joe, when you hear that, what— I mean, we do have an adversarial relationship with China.

CONCHA: Who knew there was a Beijing Disney, right? I mean, that sounds like a really wonderful place.

Vogel was puzzled by the comment! For the record, the chronology goes like this:

The comment was made in 1990, and the comment involved the conduct of the Chinese people. Vogel was puzzled because, 34 years later, we do have an adversarial relationship—with the Chinese government

Why would he have said that in 1990, Vogel wondered, thoroughly puzzled. Why would he have said that in 1990, given what things are like today!

This is the kind of practiced stupidity these employees bring to the task of cashing their "cable news" checks from the Fox News Channel. After Concha spouted on several other alleged topics, Vogel threw to Caldwell:

VOGEL: Gianno, when you think about China—you know, we had Covid, there are human rights abuses, environmental problems. I mean, we need an administration that's going to be tough on China.

CALDWELL: 100 percent! And not someone who's looking at them as their superhero, and that's the feeling I get.

That's the feeling he gets! Eventually, Carter buttoned up the pseudo-discussion of this mangled topic:

CARTER: China—as nice as Walz is to China, and as nice as [Harris and Walz] try to be to all of our adversaries, our adversaries are killing our young men and women in America. 

Over 140,000 deaths due to fentanyl, chemical precursors going into Mexico, the drug cartels pushing that into the United States. We have China buying farmland here, spying on our national security establishments. It's really quite frightening that we have two people in office that could potentially make that even worse in the future.

CALDWELL: That's right.

VOGEL: A dangerous time.

For the record, it never isn't "a dangerous time" on these gong-show "cable news" programs on this propaganda channel.

Full disclosure! No mention was made, at any point, of Walz's record in opposition to the Chinese government. This is what these employees do to keep those large paychecks coming in.

Conduct like this has been normalized over the course of the past many years. The journalistic syndrome starts with "segregation by viewpoint," the administrative practice according to which everyone on a "cable news" show will automatically agree with everyone else.

As a natural consequence, the employees who appear on these shows are never challenged on anything they say. For that reason, they're allowed to sift the facts in the way which suits the corporation's political interests. 

Also this:

As this happens on Fox, major news orgs in Blue America agree to avert their gaze. The ridiculous conduct by these flyweights goes unreported and undiscussed.

Last night, no one ever mentioned Congressman's Walz's opposition to the Chinese government. Vogel took a statement made in 1990—a statement about the Chinese people—and wondered why he would have said such a thing, given the way the Chinese government conducts itself today.

Everyone went along with this braindead framework. The whole thing started with that video clip from Cotton—with an attack which called to mind the behavior of a famous Wisconsin senator from a long time ago.

This kind of conduct has been normalized over the past many years. That said, a lot of normalization(s) have occurred within our embarrassing national discourse in the past many years.

MSNBC is bad enough. What happens at Fox is much worse. 

The normalization(s) have been general over the American discourse. Tomorrow, we'll start to look at familiar conduct by Donald J. Trump—familiar conduct which has been normalized all the way down.

Can you run a large modern nation this way? We'd say that the answer is clearly no.

For the record, their names were Carter, Concha, Caldwell, Vogel. We think it's time to say the names of the well-paid people who are eager to mistreat the nation they live in this way.

Tomorrow: Trump's bizarre claims in St. Cloud


82 comments:

  1. "The ridiculous conduct seen on this show has been normalized through mainstream press corps neglect.

    There's nothing to see here—just move along! Skillfully avoiding a battle with Fox, that's what Blue America's high-end journalists and news orgs have relentlessly said."

    I disagree. Normalizing Fox would be repeating what they said, referring to them and quoting them, as if they had anything worthy of saying. Ignoring Fox relegates them to the fringes along with the other crackpot news sources. And there are quite a few of them. Mainstream journalists have never quoted or repeated Infowars, for example. Because it is beyond the pale. It has treated Fox the same way, because Fox itself legitimizes the fringes by repeating their garbage. Just as Trump himself legitimizes Q-Anon by repeating and reposting their conspiracy theories.

    The way the world works is that people who are inappropriate are shunned. Those who are incompetent are not hired. Those who pick their noses are not included in social activities. Those who cannot be trusted are not listened to. Exclusion is how people indicate disapproval. Somerby does the opposite. He reprints Fox ugliness here and clamors for the mainstream media to talk about it. And that is why some of us consider Somerby's goal to be to legitimize Fox, not rebut it. (Somerby refutes Fox today, but in general rarely bothers to supply the truth to counterbalance the false statements aired by Fox.) In this way, Somerby is helping Fox spread its message, not preventing Fox from influencing others.

    And today it is more of the same. Too much of Somerby's post today consists of repeating what occurred on Fox, which is what actually legitimizes it and normalizes it. There is no reason to repeat (here, in the mainstream media, or anywhere else) things that are incorrect, unfair, wrong.

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    1. I see. Somerby promotes Fox by pointing out it’s a brain-dead propaganda mill. Sneaky!

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    2. If complex ideas are too difficult for you to follow, you really shouldn't announce it so that everyone else can see how stupid you are.

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    3. Everyone can pretty much see PP and his broken-record message by now.

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    4. 11:57 -- Oh yes, the idea is so wonderfully complex! Putin pays Somerby to pretend-criticize Fox messages so that the messages are embedded in the minds of gullible liberals! This conspiracy theory is right up there with the best QAnon can come up with.

      And I'm wondering: Do you think calling me "stupid" makes you seem smart?

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    5. Leo. Thanks for using a nym. And if you folks stop repeating your broken-record conspiracy theory I'll happily stop mocking it.

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    6. Leo, PP is confronted here by relentlessly bizarre comments by maybe 1 or 2 commenters here in the small world of this blog. These commenters, are either cynical trolls, really dumb, or lunatics. I sympathize with PP who reacts to the craziness by attempting to apply reason - how crazy is it to claims TDH is "promoting" Fox by calling it a "brain dead propaganda, mill?" Brain dead anonymouse 10:45 posts several times a day, and if she says anything that's sane, it's by accident.

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    7. I think what we are gently trying to let you know, is that you are mocking yourself, PP.

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    8. “These commenters, are either cynical trolls, really dumb, or lunatics”

      All that and then some.

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    9. Sad folks like PP and AC/MA are not stupid, they are angry and ignorant, spurred by TDH’s rhetoric they have fallen for the con.

      Supposedly we should pity these wounded lost souls, but that seems more like cynicism; we should either ignore them or offer edification.

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    10. So, the debate is whether I'm stupid or merely sad, angry, ignorant, and lost. And this is your folks' way of advancing your so-complex ideas!

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    11. Anonymouse 12:46pm, anonymices fought tooth and toenail against rational people (including Bob) who understood Biden couldn’t continue. You kept it up even after the big donors got wet feet and caused the media to stop covering up for Biden.

      The anonymices here are complete idiots. You don’t get credit for the change, DNC tycoons do.

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    12. As soon as Trump went on and on about the epidemic of after-birth abortions that don't exist during the Presidential debate, you could really see the media doubling down on Biden's age and cognitive decline.

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    13. "Leo" is one of the two Somerby-hating trolls. They sometimes throw a fake nym in there to make it seem like their obnoxious opinions have support from more than just the two of them. They don't.

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    14. I watched the debate, but I was unable to focus on Biden's advanced age after listening to the litany of Trump's delusions.
      I guess that's why i don't have a job in the corporate-owned, mainstream media.

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    15. Anonymouse 1:42pm, or it could have been that insignificant… bad debate performance of Biden’s that caused the donors and Schumer and Pelosi to bring it to a screeching halt.

      However, stick with your brilliant “after-birth abortions” theory. That’s all you to handle.

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    16. 1:42 -- You know, that's also when I began to see that Biden had lost a step. Trump was banging on about post-birth abortions -- I mean, what an idiot! -- and instead of hitting that middle-of-the-plate, batting-practice fastball out of the park, Biden just sort of babbled on pointlessly.

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    17. That and the 27 other delusions/ lies Trump ranted about, and the press papered over.

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    18. Don't kid yourself.
      After-birth abortions are not one of the two things Republican voters actually care about.

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    19. Anonymouse 2:01pm, obviously you’re interested. You brought after-birth abortions up.

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    20. 2:08,
      And i'm not even a rapist, like the guy that brought it up at the Presidential debate.

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    21. BTW, I think Biden is the best president in my lifetime. And, paradoxically, his greatest achievements are what caused him to lose the support of a majority of the American public. First, he deliberately over-stimulated the economy to ensure a quick exit from the devastating depression he inherited. He knew he risked a bit of inflation, but he felt, correctly, that this risk was well worth taking because the Fed could rapidly control any inflation spike. Second, he got us out of a 20-year quagmire in Afghanistan, at the cost of a day or so of turmoil. Now we won't be stuck for another 20 years.

      He probably realized he was burning political capital, but courageously bore that cost. History will remember him kindly.

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    22. Anonymouse 3:35pm, interesting hasty and unnecessary denial there.

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    23. Minor quibble PP; Biden Admin handled the inflation caused by demand surge, supply chain breakdown, and corporate gouging coming off Covid with lower inflation than any other industrialized nation in the world. Wage gains outpaced inflation. Also delivered a rare sort landing where inflation is back to the Feds target without a recession. Another remarkable Bden team accomplishment.

      Drives me nuts that people seem incapable of remembering how God awful things were 4 years ago. Nobody was driving anywhere, but gas was cheap man!!!

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    24. Yes, Arty, that's exactly my point: Sufficient fiscal stimulus to ensure a quick recovery, deliberately risking a bit of inflation; the Fed then raises rates to control inflation; and voila, a perfect landing. It was a tour de force. And now we have strong growth, full employment, and stable prices. The best economy, since, well, ever!

      (And the only risk is that the Fed will delay too long in cutting rates, as it should have started doing four or five months ago.)

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    25. "The way the world works is that people who are inappropriate are shunned."

      Shunned, or sometimes elected president.

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    26. I doubt Trump would have been elected without Russian meddling. Just as there would have been no Brexit.

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  2. I am a single issue voter. I am against Dems because they are for grabbing other people’s very young children in school settings they control, and mutilate them surgically or chemically. Why they do this is beyond me. Looks like the Dems have decided “live and let live” is no longer enough for them.

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    1. I can say authoritatively that there are no surgeries or child mutilations being performed in any US schools, whether controlled by Dems or not.

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    2. Perhaps 10:50 got confused by right wing propaganda, it is in reality right wingers that allow lunatic right wingers to own military style guns that they then use to shoot up schools, while the right wing cops stand idly by and allow it to happen.

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    3. To return to reality for a moment . . . this is a stellar post from Somerby today. It so clearly and indisputably exposes these propagandists.

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    4. I'm voting Democrats cross the board.
      They let the illegals into the country, that pay more in taxes than Donald Trump.

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  3. Someone who was supporting candidate Walz would focus on his feelings about China and the work he did there with students, NOT on the reporting of Walz experiences. Yes, Somerby can write what he wants, but he claims to be planning to vote for Harris and yet he won't promote the ticket. Today, he complains that the right is saying nasty things about Walz and repeats those nasty things fully so that everyone can read them. That isn't how anyone supports the candidate they plan to vote for. It is how someone pretends to support a candidate while undermining him (and Harris) at every opportunity. Last week Somerby was "complaining" about Tampon Tim. Today it is China Tim. Last week it was Smiling Kamala, all in lockstep with right wing talking points.

    Somerby could have noted the similarity between his own introduction to teaching via Teach for America, which landed him in Baltimore (and never left). Walz was part of a similar program except he wound up in China. Walz returned to the US, but the Chinese people remained in his heart. What an awful guy! And Somerby wants to make double sure we don't miss the critical remarks they said about Walz on Fox News, so he faithfully transcribes them here. And blames that on MSNBC.

    Sometimes I think Somerby is crazier than Trump.

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    1. I have for a long time viewed these criticisms of Somerby as somewhat off the wall. Over time I have come around to agreeing with them. His post yesterday referring to Walz in negative unsubstantiated terms completed the circle for me. In the meantime, here is the kind of work that Goebbels would be proud of:

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/internal-communications-reveal-soros-backed-090002671.html

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    2. Harris has serious flaws. She says one thing and does another, uses the state to crack down on problems, and disregards the Constitution. It will be incredibly easy for Republicans to accurately portray her as someone who stands for nothing. She's better than Trump but comes across as someone with the intellect of a Cocker Spaniel.

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    3. And yet Republicans can only come up with these vague complaints. She didn't shoot a puppy or say that the government is full of psychopathic cat ladies. Her program includes all the things Democrats like and most other voters support, including saving medicare and social security, preventing climate change and protecting the environment, supporting unions and lowering mortgage rates, and she helped bring home the Russian hostages. All the good stuff people want. And isn't the state supposed to crack down on problems?

      Comparing a grown woman to a dog isn't very nice.

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    4. Evidence to the contrary re: Harris- https://youtu.be/bHd_UlebyoM

      You telling us DonOld could do this?

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    5. I'm outraged that Harris 'uses the state to crack down on problems.' What kind of leader would do that?

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    6. "Somerby claims to be planning to vote for Harris and yet he won't promote the ticket."

      It's as if he thinks independently instead of like a propagandist.

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    7. Are you sure Harris’s questioning of Barr was intelligent? Or is that something someone told you was intelligent? What was intelligent about it?

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    8. Kamala Harris questions Bill Barr and it had no political impact whatsoever while she was running an embarrassing Presidential campaign in which she was one of the first people drummed out, getting trounced by even Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang who was far, far more popular and liked and who raised 50 times more money than she did. What a brilliant genius she is!

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    9. Did you come up with this yourself, 9:46, or did someone feed you this? Have you checked the polls lately?

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    10. Have you checked the Harris fundraising to date, 9:46?

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    11. @7:36. It is as if he doesn’t mean what he says.

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    12. I’ve seen the polls and the fundraising to date, yes. It feels good.

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    13. Republicans are now blaming Harris for the economy. Vance stated such in an interview over the weekend as in "her economy". I took forward to the debates. I also look forward to the state of the economy after the Fed makes its interest rate reduction in September. The air will be coming out of their " sky is falling" balloon at a rapid rate. Trump and his unpalatable sidekick will be toast. The CEO of BoA stated this week that the chance of a recession ( a Republican wet dream at this point) is zero.

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    14. It will be interesting to see Harris explain to Americans how great the economy is.

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    15. Imagine how much worse the economy would be if Democrats didn't let illegals come here to pay more in taxes than Donald Trump.

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    16. Performative, irony and sarcasm. You’re so brilliant.

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    17. Not as ironic as "deport the illegals", who are a huge chunk of our agricultural labor, becoming "why are my groceries costing so much", but I can see some irony.

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  4. How can Fox complain that Walz is insufficiently adversarial to China when Trump and Putin were buddy-buddies?

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    1. Anonymouse 10:54pm, because they’re politically aligned and are throwing stuff around to see if it sticks.

      Their shows are on all day and they routinely beat MSNBC and CNN. Occasionally, their coverage on particular news events will beat the networks.

      Anonymices just want to slam Somerby because that’s what they get paid to do, but Bob wants Fox countered because his concern is broader than yours. Your concern is merely about him, not major outlets.

      Glad to help.

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    2. How would one go about countering Fox?
      FCC action?
      Pulling their license?

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    3. Anonymouse 1:57pm, the old fashioned way. By calling out the source and addressing their claims .
      Fox endlessly addresses the claims by people that you watch on tv.

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    4. It would be nice, Cecelia, if the two could get together and hash it out. Unfortunately, the right doesn't believe there is any way to prove a fact. Fox is a propaganda mill, that is all.

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    5. Anonymouse 2:27pm, I get your stand. Yesterday you took the same track and argued that in the process of being asked a precise question by a reporter, any yahoo who voiced the notion that Democrats care about rich people (and “rich” is relative) is dead to you already.

      We get that you think that. Fox doesn’t condescend to its audience, it thinks they are people who might be smart enough to care about what Maddow says about issues and about them.

      Again, you are merely here to go after Bob. All commenters here should keep that in mind.

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    6. "Fox doesn’t condescend to its audience..."
      Troll harder, dude.

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    7. Anonymouse3:40pm, you may be right. A more accurate statement is that they don’t underestimate your political shows, babe.

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    8. Incoherent as usual.

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    9. Fox is a right wing propaganda outlet. Ask James Murdoch. Or the people they have been adjudicated to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to.

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    10. Should we take-up a collection to buy Cecelia ESL classes?

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    11. Anonymouse 7:23am, send the check, I’ll take it from there.

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  5. "Can you run a large modern nation this way? We'd say that the answer is clearly no."

    No one is suggesting that Fox personalities be allowed to run our nation. It would make more sense to focus on what Vance and Trump have said and ask whether they can be trusted to run our nation. The answer there is also "clearly no" but the difference is that they are asking to be chosen to run the country, whereas Vogel, Carter etc. are clearly not.

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  6. From Meidas Touch:

    "The family of the late singer/songwriter Isaac Hayes has sent Donald Trump a letter ordering him to cease and desist playing 'Hold On/I'm Coming' at his rallies, and pay them $3 Million for past unauthorized use of the song.

    The Hayes estate owns the copyright to the song, and has requested in the past that Trump stop using it at his rallies. It has become such a popular staple with MAGA fans because that is the song that Trump typically performs his "dance" to."

    Artists take their intellectual property seriously, because it is their livelihood. It is wrong for others to steal it by using it without permission. That is Trump's theft but Somerby also crosses this line regularly when he cites song lyrics and poems, sometimes without attribution (so no one knows who the actual author was). Some of the confused trolls here think Somerby originated some of the lines he has used, largely because they are unfamiliar with the original source. That is unfair to the writers who did the actual creative work. If this happens enough, the material moves into the public domain, people forget who wrote it, and then everyone uses it indiscriminately, preventing the original author from earning a living off their work.

    It is wrong to do this, even when the author has passed away, as is the case with Isaac Hayes. Further, Hayes would never have willingly given the implied endorsement to Trump. This is lying and cheating, just as much as when Trump holds a rally in a town and then stiffs the town on bills for security and clean-up afterwards. Trump is clearly a deadbeat, but Somerby shouldn't follow his lead. He was taught better at Harvard.

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  7. Also from Meidas Touch:

    "Observers took note on Friday when Donald Trump played Celine Dion's iconic ballad "My Heart Will Go On" at a recent rally in Bozeman, Montana. The song, synonymous with the tragic sinking of the Titanic due to its use as the theme song in the popular James Cameron film, has been used by Trump at past rallies, but its reappearance now has taken on a particularly ironic twist given the state of his campaign.

    Celine Dion and her team, however, were not amused. In a statement released by her management and record label, Sony Music Entertainment Canada Inc., Dion made it clear that the use of her music at the rally was completely unauthorized and unwelcome. "In no way is this use authorized, and Celine Dion does not endorse this or any similar use," the statement read, before adding a pointed jab: "And really, that song?"

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    1. Somerby keeps deleting this:

      From Meidas Touch:

      "The family of the late singer/songwriter Isaac Hayes has sent Donald Trump a letter ordering him to cease and desist playing 'Hold On/I'm Coming' at his rallies, and pay them $3 Million for past unauthorized use of the song.

      The Hayes estate owns the copyright to the song, and has requested in the past that Trump stop using it at his rallies. It has become such a popular staple with MAGA fans because that is the song that Trump typically performs his "dance" to."

      Artists take their intellectual property seriously, because it is their livelihood. It is wrong for others to steal it by using it without permission. That is Trump's theft but Somerby also crosses this line regularly when he cites song lyrics and poems, sometimes without attribution (so no one knows who the actual author was). Some of the confused trolls here think Somerby originated some of the lines he has used, largely because they are unfamiliar with the original source. That is unfair to the writers who did the actual creative work. If this happens enough, the material moves into the public domain, people forget who wrote it, and then everyone uses it indiscriminately, preventing the original author from earning a living off their work.

      It is wrong to do this, even when the author has passed away, as is the case with Isaac Hayes. Further, Hayes would never have willingly given the implied endorsement to Trump. This is lying and cheating, just as much as when Trump holds a rally in a town and then stiffs the town on bills for security and clean-up afterwards. Trump is clearly a deadbeat, but Somerby shouldn't follow his lead. He was taught better at Harvard.

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    2. Thou dost protest too much, methinks.

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    3. You think it is wrong for someone to care when a thief steals from them?

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  8. When Fox complains that Walz is insufficiently adversarial toward China, it is not channeling Joe McCarthy. There are too many points of divergence from the past, for me to think there is much similarly between what McCarthy did and what Fox is doing today.

    For one thing McCarthy misused a government investigative committee to promote his own career while persecuting political enemies. Fox is not part of our government and is not investigating or reporting on any investigation of anyone for treason. It is promoting a political candidate by criticizing the other party's nominee. Like it or not, that is part of legitimate political opinion and campaigning. There is no misuse of government authority.

    For another thing, the accusations lodged by McCarthy were untrue in most cases (not all). Like Walz's case, they concerned actions from decades past, but they were claiming that their targets had infiltrated key positions in the US and were subverting our nation by propagandizing or spying or steering policy to benefit an enemy (the Communists in Russia and International Communist Party). Those on Fox were making no such claims about Walz. That makes it grossly unfair to characterize them that way in Somerby's headline. There is room to disagree about how hard a line to take on China, without calling anyone a traitor.

    McCarthy fabricated evidence and coerced witnesses into testifying to things that did not happen. His committee also produced blacklists and he encouraged people to be fired, even from everyday jobs, for communist ties. He claimed there was a conspiracy affecting all aspects of American life, to takeover America and make it Communist. People became paranoid about Communist infiltration. Nothing like that is being promoted by Fox, even when they reference Q-Anon conspiracy theories (which DO make similar claims). I find these anti-Walz remarks innocuous compared to what happened to people in McCarthy's times.

    I think it trivializes and normalizes McCarthy to compare him with Fox News, which is just doing what Republicans have always done. Somerby also clearly forgets that many everyday people considered McCarthy to be doing important work and to be a hero because he was outing spies. It is the historical perception that McCarthy was a demagogue who overstepped and was shown to be a political charlatan.

    The right wing has been throwing around the term McCarthyism in irresponsible and inaccurate ways. Somerby shouldn't follow their example, especially when the fit is so poor.

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    1. Agree with much of this, although not all.

      Fox News may serve as a clearinghouse for right wing stances that gives them a safe space and segregates and isolates them from the rest of society, which may help diminish their influence.

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    2. Fox was sued for promoting the felon's election lies and paid out nearly $800M. Their payback? After thousands of recounts, hundreds of lawsuits, the fucking Ninjas looking for fucking bamboo fiber, the ghost of Hugo Chavez, all came up empty; 70% of Republicans believe the election was stolen. The ratfuckers behind Project 2025 are now recruiting over 100,000 volunteers to jack-up election counting across the battleground states as their current coup plot after 2020's narrowly failed.

      And why isn't Pence the VP nominee instead of sad JD.

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  9. At some point Bob was at an utter loss to contradict the view of the Right he as getting on MSNBC, so he switched to Fox. There he confronted what reasonably observant people had known since he stopped critiquing Fox: the station has zero regard for the most basic concept of truth. Now, he seeks to blame the fact that this isn’t completely accepted on other news outlets who didn’t monitor Fox (as if that is their job). Meanwhile, Fox’s massive libel pay out goes unmentioned by Bob.

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    1. What do you suppose to be the significance of Bob not mentioning Fox's massive libel payout?

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  10. Don't vote for Trump.

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    1. I'll try not to.

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    2. @12:39 - it should be easy. Just watch his last "press conference."

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    3. How about his interview with Musk on X?

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    4. 12:21 Yeah that went well.

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    5. Is Trump trying to get the upcoming Sylvester the Cat voice acting job?

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  11. Earth to Bob, whatever Blue America is doing, is working; check out those polls, our economy, and most societal metrics!

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  12. Tom Cotton makes dog poop seem interesting.

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