SATURDAY: There's a cancer growing on the discourse!

SATURDAY, AUGUST 17, 2024

The question which won't be asked: In the past few days, a statement from the Nixon era has been bouncing around in our heads.

Over time, the statement became very famous. It's been simplified through repetition, but as you can hear on the White House tapes, this is what was said:

DEAN (3/21/73): Let me give you my overall, first.

NIXON: In other words, your judgment as to where it stands and where we ought to go.

DEAN: I think that there's no doubt about the seriousness of the problem we've got. We have a cancer within—close to the presidency, that's growing. It's growing daily. It's compounding. It grows geometrically now, because it compounds itself.

That'll be clear as I explain, you know, some of the details of why it is...

There's a cancer growing on the presidency! Colloquially, that's what a very young John Dean is frequently said to have said.

According to the very young Dean, there was "no doubt about the seriousness of the problem." In the last few days, the particular statements Dean made that day have been floating around in our heads.

According to the young adviser, there was a cancer growing on the presidency! In the last few days, we've been struck by a related notion:

There's a cancer growing on the American discourse! 

(Such as that discourse has been.) 

There's a cancer growing on the discourse! That thought has bounced through our brains of late as we've watched the imitation of life we still describe as our national discourse. 

What in the world are we talking about? For an easy example from a much wider set, a primetime program on the Fox News Channel started this way last night:

HOST (8/16/24): Tim Walz's dog, Scout, was interviewed by Vogue magazine.

[PHOTO APPEARS FROM THE SPREAD]

Still no word on whether the dog, like Walz, has no balls.

[LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE]

Cheap! I'll take it! I'll take it!

For whatever it may be worth, here's the Vogue profile in question.

This program is billed as a comedy show. Stating the obvious, that isn't what it actually is--but just for the record, this was the second joke its host unleashed last night:

HOST (continuing directly): Kamala Harris's website has nine options for pronouns.

They have male, female, and seven options for Randi Weingarten.

[LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE] 

Weingarten is president of the American Federation of Teachers. She's a constant target of the host of this disordered "cable news" program. 

His focus is always the same:

In the opinion of the host, Weingarten isn't traditionally feminine in a way he deems sufficient. Also, Nancy Pelosi has had too many facelifts (or has used too much Botox). Also, the women of The View, but especially Joy Behar, are much too fat and are constantly said to resemble various types of animals.

(Generally, they're said to resemble whales and the like, though they were compared, on Wednesday's show, to a collection of dogs.)

This is the remarkably ugly culture of this remarkably stupid and disordered "cable news" program. Ownership pretends it's a "comedy show," though that's clearly not what it is.

As far as that goes, ownership bills FNC as a "news channel!" Why would a news channel run a comedy show in primetime? We've never seen that explained.

In our view, what has happened on MSNBC in the past decade has been bad enough. Routinely, though, the Fox News Channel makes us flash on what John Dean famously said.

In fairness, the cancer in question isn't limited to the ridiculous conduct which is widespread, though not ubiquitous, on that corporate propaganda machine.  Nor is it restricted to the "cable news" industry as a whole, though our three cable news channels continue to play a significant role in the creation of our flyweight imitation of a national discourse.

In fairness, our national discourse has never been especially sharp. This site dates to the days in the mid-1990s when the mainstream press corps, over the course of more than a year, couldn't find a way to answer this question:

Did the Gingrich Medicare proposal involve cuts to the Medicare program? Or did it merely slow the rate at which the program would grow?

For more than a year, they couldn't puzzle it out! In 1996, Al Franken, still a comedian, untangled the conundrum in his humorous book, Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations.

Meanwhile, the so-called "flat tax" is long gone from the current pseudo-discourse, but at that time, the pseudo-proposal was extremely hot. The press corps' inability to riddle such proposals finally reached the point where Rep. Dick Armey, a former economics professor, published his unintentionally comical 1996 book, The Flat Tax: A Citizen's Guide to the Facts on What It Will Do for You, Your Country, and Your Pocketbook.

Comically, the book was built around this representation: The flat tax is progressive!

Given the way the "flat tax" was simultaneously being promoted, it would be hard to overstate the dumbness of that representation. We can't recall ever seeing a journalist explaining the sheer absurdity at the heart of this silly game.

Many of our major journalists "went to the finest schools." Frequently, we wonder why they bothered. The dumbness of the discourse they've helped create, often through their abject silence, is a tribute to the observations of several modern anthropologists, E. E. Cummings among them.

With that, we return to the Thursday event which was billed as the candidate's latest "news conference." As we noted yesterday, the hopeful began with ambling introductory remarks which lasted 47 minutes.

After that, the second question he faced was this:

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (8/15/24): Thank you, President Trump. 

You've spoken very passionately about how God saved your life. And I'm wondering, have you put much thought into why God saved your life? As in, for what purpose has he been shielding and protecting you?

Why do you think God saved your life? Remarkably, this "question" can be asked at a major "news conference" without any further comment from the rest of the press corps.

Regarding Thursday's event, we refer you to the new post in which Kevin transcribes the thirteen questions the candidate was eventually asked. 

At least half of those questions were basically invitations for the hopeful to orate again. Here was Kevin's overview, including a basic question:

DRUM (8/16/24): Trump blathered for the first 47 minutes and then took questions for 34 minutes. Is it really a news conference if you spend less than half the time taking questions from reporters?

I'll let you decide that for yourself. I'm more interested in who actually attended the "news conference." For starters, Trump was greeted with cheers and applause when he came out, which doesn't strike me as standard reporter behavior. And the questions! 

With only one or two exceptions, every question was along the lines of either (a) "What is it that makes you so great?" or (b) "Your opponent is obviously a disaster, right?"

[TEXT OF THE THIRTEEN QUESTIONS]

There were some very mild questions about whether personal attacks were a good idea and whether the polls are turning against him. And for some reason, Trump took a question from a reporter who obviously didn't like the idea of firing workers who are on strike. Aside from that, you can't even describe the questions as softballs. They were plants.

Were there any real reporters at yesterday's event who can explain what happened?

Who were those guys? he essentially asked, reviving the famous question from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. We'd call it a perfectly decent question—and we can offer this bit of information:

Speaking on Special Report immediately after the event, Fox News Channel reporter Aishah Hasney seemed to say that she had asked two of the thirteen questions—the question about the Fox News poll, but also the question about food prices and Candidate Harris' stance on price gouging.

"I got to ask several questions," Hasney told Bret Baier. "Actually, he took several questions today from several different reporters."

Vanity Fair's Brian Stelter reported that his request to attend the event was refused by the Trump campaign. Last night, the Gutfeld! gang clowned around about that statement, ridiculing Stelter for being too fat and too bald while failing to wonder about the larger question involved here.

For ourselves, we'll quit today with a basic point. We'll turn to The Question Not Asked.

It wasn't asked at Thursday's 84- or 85-minute event. In fairness to the people at that event, this obvious question also won't be asked anywhere else:

The obvious question not asked:
Sir, why do you keep telling your supporters that the 2020 election was stolen or rigged? 
Can you direct us to actual evidence which establishes that remarkable claim? In the absence of such evidence, why do you continue to insist on making this inflammatory claim?

Full disclosure! Trump angrily makes this claim at his campaign rallies. He didn't have the courage to do so at Thursday's closely watched event, though he did lodge several hints.

For the record, no one is ever going to present that question to Trump! The candidate's conduct has been thoroughly normalized through the press corps' benign neglect.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but we don't have an actual discourse. Also, Governor Walz has no balls; Nancy Pelosi's face isn't right; Joy Behar is much too fat; and one disordered "cable news" host recently asked, in prime time, if Jill Biden has started f*cking Hunter Biden yet, now that Joe's out of the race.

(Yes, that's what he actually asked, right there in prime time.  You've seen this discussed nowhere else.)

Also, people are losing faith in our institutions! With a stunning lack of self-awareness, that's what the termagant host has been sadly saying in the past few days. His own ugly conduct—his routinely stupid, angry attacks on our various institutions—has been normalized as the rest of the press looks away.

Why do you keep making the claim that the election was stolen? That question won't be asked. Nor do we—we modern Americans—actually have a "discourse."

A cancer has grown all over the blather we still describe as a discourse:

Why did God spare Donald J. Trump? On Thursday, that was the second "question" the candidate found himself asked!


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  2. The Host is still pissed women get to choose who they sleep with.
    Remember, the Right doesn't call the Left "snowflakes for nothing. They call the Left "snowflakes" because every Right-wing accusation is really a confession.

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    1. Somerby writes about questions at a press conference, which leads you to conclude he is mad that women get to choose their sex partners. Just, “Wow!”

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    2. "HOST (8/16/24): Tim Walz's dog, Scout, was interviewed by Vogue magazine."

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    3. Oh, you were referring to Gutfeld? I take it back.

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    4. Obsessively eager to pounce.

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    5. Hey, Leo, how’s it going? I’m also eager to retract when I make a mistake.

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    6. Why not actually retract with a comparable statement and not just "I take it back," which means nothing?

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  3. On the one hand, insult comedy has a long history here. So, it isn’t really anything new , (assuming Gutfeld is a comedy show mostly?).

    On the other hand, why should it be up to the mainstream media to “fix” the excesses of Gutfeld? Shouldn’t the Murdochs do that? Gutfeld will continue to do what he does as long as he gets an audience.

    Maybe it’s kind of new that the GOP has devolved into a band of insult comics, led by Trump.

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  4. When Dean was recorded on tape, it is wrong to claim he was “often said to have said”. There is no doubt he said it, so why pretend it is apochryphal?

    This kind of odd wording confuses people about what is real.

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  5. Every Republican not under oath in a court of law, can make those claims.
    The trick is to get them to make those claims under oath in a court of law.
    Or, it would be, if they all didn't get a case of amnesia when put under oath.

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  6. God spared Trump because heaven isn't ready for him.

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    1. Neither are the media.

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    2. God didn't spare Trump. God allowed the bullet to rip his ear lobe as a warning. Trump has reacted by being afraid to leave his own property, which is why he has not been campaigning.

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  7. Fox News is a “corporate propaganda machine” that includes “the remarkably ugly culture of this remarkably stupid and disordered ‘cable news’ program.”

    I guess this is Somerby’s way of promoting Fox News to gullible liberals like me.

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    1. Deviousness, thy name is Bob.

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    2. PP is so excessively literal that he doesn't realize that when he quote Gutfeld he is promoting his show, because the stupid and disordered will read it and think the lines are cool, and start watching, thereby increasing Gutfeld's audience and Trump's base.

      It changes nothing that Somerby calls Trump or Gutfeld names. That is part of the fun for the stupid and disordered. It is how they "own" the libs, evoking that reaction. It is their reward. Somerby knows this. Why doesn't PP? Has he never met a 12 year old?

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    3. the @8:17 comment is either attempted trolling or complete idiocy. i can't tell which

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    4. Sure, that’s one side of his mouth. He has also written respectfully of Sean, for example for years. No mention of the lawsuit payout, etc….

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  8. "'Why do you keep making the claim that the election was stolen?' That question won't be asked."

    Trump has rehearsed and recited his "evidence" a thousand times. His replies have been examined and debunked time and again. Nevertheless, he repeats the same disproven claims as if they were iron-clad facts.

    If he's asked one more time to provide his evidence will his answer be any different? Will the subsequent fact checks convince any one to disbelieve him? Will he finally break down and confess that he's been kidding us all along?

    Briefly, no, no, and no.

    At some point, asking the question another time only serves to provide the candidate the opportunity to sing his greatest hit again for his fans, and they never seem to tire of hearing it.

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    1. One theme that cuts through all the polling noise is that Trump is still significantly better positioned to win than he was at this point in 2016 and 2020.

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    2. The FBI didn't torpedo Hillary Clinton's campaign , until the beginning of November.

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    3. Comey torpedoed Hillary, pressured by conservative FBI members from Upstate NY, not by the FBI as an organization (directed by Obama). That happened in late October, too close to the voting date for her to recover by showing there was nothing on the laptop in question. It was a dirty trick, but there was no reason for Obama's FBI to have done it, independent of the partisans within the org who were supporting Trump.

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    4. 8:21 Possibly a minor point, possibly not, but the FBI in question was not upstate but in NYC and had close ties to Giuliani, who predicted a surprise before Comey's announcement.

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    5. 11:32, yes and the supposed investigation into that leak died a quiet death. FBI Director Chris Wrap bullshitted his way through multiple congressional hearings where some kept asking what happened to that investigation. It was quietly forgotten to death and the media just let it go. After all, who cares, it was just Hillary who was victimized.

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    6. Quaker, I would argue there is much outrageous behavior from Trump that he has never been questioned or called on. Why he let the riot at the Capitol rage for hours and did not lift a hand would be one. His new acceptance of the ACA, long called by him as the worst disaster since this or that would be another. It’s passing with very little notice.

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  9. “Sir, why do you keep telling your supporters that the 2020 election was stolen or rigged? “

    I’m pretty sure this question has been asked. But does anyone believe Trump would say anything other than “it was. Everyone knows the Democrats cheat.”

    He says this in social media posts and at rallies almost every day.

    Who was it that said Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Is it insanity to ask the same question of Trump over and over again and expect a different answer?

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    1. How about: “You say the election was stolen by a conspiracy that included Marxists, socialists, and fascists. Could you name just one of the fascists who participated in this conspiracy?”

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    2. Joe Biden, Barack Obama. Who else, PP? You are never going to stop his bs.

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  10. Trump will lose to Harris.

    Trumpers know this, and are trying to cope.

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    1. I hope she wins, but I don’t expect Trumpers to know anything.

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  11. "The obvious question not asked:
    Sir, why do you keep telling your supporters that the 2020 election was stolen or rigged?
    Can you direct us to actual evidence which establishes that remarkable claim? In the absence of such evidence, why do you continue to insist on making this inflammatory claim?"

    This question gets answered by Republicans using lies and fake video, such as the D'Souza mules movie, the video that supposedly showed the two vote counting women in Georgia doing something bad with a thumb drive (when they exchanged candy), and references to suspicious occurrences that have been examined and found to be nothing wrong.

    It isn't as if they were providing no evidence. They provided manufactured and specious evidence that was subsequently discredited. Somerby's suggestion that reporters should wade into the weeds on this "evidence" is a bad idea because ignorant voters will lose interest or lose track of the plot when Trump and other Republicans start claiming the fraud is real. Reporters do not have the time on-the-fly to debunk the specifics. So this doesn't seem workable to me and I find myself wondering why Somerby doesn't have the common sense to see how this kind of exchange comes across to people not closely following the issues.

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